Can we stop with the narrative that Lebron's Lakers are a superteam?

[SAKURABA216]

Who did you hear this from? Maybe 2 weeks into the season lol most Laker fans have been saying this current Lakers team has sucked for the past month.

This is his best supporting cast. I stand by that.

But now 2 of the top 3 players are out and everyone has amnesia.

Signed
~Bron stan (certified)

I agree on paper and healthy it is his best cast. I'm really just focusing on this "last two weeks" part. This team has not been whole the last two weeks, let alone the last month.

Do hear that? Its the sound of the world's smallest violin being played for all you Lakers fans. The 2nd best player on the Warriors, who would be a top 20 player overall at best, is out for the entire season. On top of that, the Warriors have not had any of their centers available to play for the past 3 weeks and have had to start 2 guys the size of shooting guards as their front court.

We could only wish that Curry had a supporting cast that was half as good as Lebron's, even without AD. Imagine a team of Curry/Schroeder/Kuzma/Harrell/Gasol. That's way better than any lineup that we have had all year!

[JRoy]

Yes, only 2 of top 5 players definitely not a super team.

[Marrrcuss]

This is his best supporting cast. I stand by that.

But now 2 of the top 3 players are out and everyone has amnesia.

Signed
~Bron stan (certified)

I agree on paper and healthy it is his best cast. I'm really just focusing on this "last two weeks" part. This team has not been whole the last two weeks, let alone the last month.

Do hear that? Its the sound of the world's smallest violin being played for all you Lakers fans. The 2nd best player on the Warriors, who would be a top 20 player overall at best, is out for the entire season. On top of that, the Warriors have not had any of their centers available to play for the past 3 weeks and have had to start 2 guys the size of shooting guards as their front court.

We could only wish that Curry had a supporting cast that was half as good as Lebron's, even without AD. Imagine a team of Curry/Schroeder/Kuzma/Harrell/Gasol. That's way better than any lineup that we have had all year!

You just wanted to blurt that mess out, it didnt even fit with either comment.

I said 2 or 3 are out. They wont be out for the year and we will repeat. Some how you saw the responses as concession speeches?

Curry is done going to the finals. Swallow that pill with a full glass of water, if need be.

[NyKnicks1714]

By any metric, the Lakers without LeBron (assuming AD is healthy) are a very average/mediocre team. How does that fit any definition of a superteam? People get so caught up in looking at the second star, but if Team B is better than Team A 2-15 overall, what difference does it make if Team A has a better #2?

Brooklyn is the only superteam in the NBA. You could take away their best player and they could still reach the Finals.

[art_tatum]

Thier role players are way better than the shaq kobe lakers- who I compare them to.
So if shaq kobe lakers- aren't a superteam then they aren't.
Shaq and kobe are a lil bit better bc they were in their primes. Right now only AD is. However current lakers bench is better.

Just because they might not be a super team ( if you want to define it as 3 star players), doesn't mean they aren't an all time talent team.

I think AD and lebrons teammates/roleplayers are definitely in the top quarter of the teams.
It'll b better when dennis is back. Then they have 2 6th man of the years.

[Some smartguy]

With a healthy AD, they should be considered a superteam. They won a title and improved, and as most LeBron fans will say, LeBron+YMCA players guarantees you a contending team.

[tidho]

not many teams in history with 2 of the top 5-7 players in the league

i guess, we shouldn't call it the 'most super team ever', lol, but still seems pretty super

a few losses due to injury doesn't really change that

[KyRo23]

This is his best supporting cast. I stand by that.

But now 2 of the top 3 players are out and everyone has amnesia.

Signed
~Bron stan (certified)

I agree on paper and healthy it is his best cast. I'm really just focusing on this "last two weeks" part. This team has not been whole the last two weeks, let alone the last month.

Do hear that? Its the sound of the world's smallest violin being played for all you Lakers fans. The 2nd best player on the Warriors, who would be a top 20 player overall at best, is out for the entire season. On top of that, the Warriors have not had any of their centers available to play for the past 3 weeks and have had to start 2 guys the size of shooting guards as their front court.

We could only wish that Curry had a supporting cast that was half as good as Lebron's, even without AD. Imagine a team of Curry/Schroeder/Kuzma/Harrell/Gasol. That's way better than any lineup that we have had all year!

Did you just hit me with the violin gag then go on to cry like a baby? I wasn't even crying lol I just said the Lakers have sucked recently which is a fact. Play that violin for yourself.

[OfficialRef]

LMAO.

Lebron had the most stacked team last season. Even if you don't consider that a superteam they steamrolled every other team in their path where Lebron and AD were the best two players arguably in every series. This season they went ahead and got higher level talent and were the easy favorites to win again.

[blackstar]

LMAO.

Lebron had the most stacked team last season. Even if you don't consider that a superteam they steamrolled every other team in their path where Lebron and AD were the best two players arguably in every series. This season they went ahead and got higher level talent and were the easy favorites to win again.

Is this supposed to contradict the OP?

[RoyceDa59]

I agree I don’t think the Lakers are a super team.

Super teams are practically unbeatable unless injuries happen. And to me they’re made up of two top 10 players and another all-star. The KD Curry Klay warriors were a super team.

I think the current Nets are a super team.

The Miami heat when they found their stride were a super team.

The current Lakers, while an amazing team, are one all-star short of a super team.

The current Clippers are one all-star short of being a super team.

That said, LeBron has the best co-superstar of anyone else in the league and the Lakers are still a contender.

Either way, I just don’t see how anyone beats the Nets in a 7-game series.

[Pharmcat]

this laker team is so non threatening. they will get swept in first round (assuming they even make playoffs)

[Stribor]

No problem We will admit this if you admit that LBJ is not really an MVP candidate. As soon as he looses AD team is loosing. How is that better than for instance Doncic? And what except really amazing ability to play this good in his age put him above for instance Dame that darries the team on his shoulders, not to mention Biid that clearly has a lesser players arround himself and is winning. Lakers are not a superteam defined with 3 all star players, but they are the most top heeavy team in the league. The only one that can argue that they have 2 top 5 players (I would say top 8, but the argument for top 5 is standing). LBJ has **** numbers comapred to all other candidates, LA is not winning as much as before, and now shows that without one other player have problem to win anyone. Sorry, I agree this is not a super team, but LBJ is also not a MVP.

[Jables]

You're right, he only manipulated a situation where a superstar joined him and begged Paul George/Kawhi Leonard as well, but two superstars are not technically a superteam.

Now what difference does that make? Zero.

[LakersLegacy]

LeBron is headed for a career altering injury just like what happened to Kobe 8 years ago when we let him play 47 mins a game.

I can’t believe the Lakers are making this same mistake again by overplaying LeBron at age 36 with the shortest off season in NBA history

[Stribor]

LeBron is headed for a career altering injury just like what happened to Kobe 8 years ago when we let him play 47 mins a game.

I can’t believe the Lakers are making this same mistake again by overplaying LeBron at age 36 with the shortest off season in NBA history

This is true. LBJ is a treasure of this league and must watch playoffs. Even on a loosing streak they will enter in playoffs, and probably it would be better to have healthy LBJ, than the one completely destroyed by overplay.

[ChantMVP]

Just as a very basic exercise

Super star = 3 pts
All-star = 2 pts

2017-19 Warriors*
3+3+2+2=10

2021 Nets
2012 Heat**
3+3+2= 8

2016 Cavs/Warriors
2013 Heat
3+2+2=7

Current Lakers
3+3=6

Current Clippers
3+2=5

Most champion teams have either solid role players or the stars make average role players look good so lets chalk that up as moot

I would call anything above 7 to be overpowered on an anti-competitive level.

*Some may argue draymond was no longer at all star level after KD's arrival; however even if you dont count draymond they still reached an 8 which is OP

**The only time you could argue lebron was on an OP team is 2011 and 2012 since Wade was still borderline superstar terrority, however in 2011 the role players were legit BAD (mike bibby, joel anthony, arroyo, corpse of ilgauskas playing big mins) so we can make an exception for that

So 2012 is the only year he was on an OP team

KD will be on an OP team for the 4th time (not counting OKC as Ibaka and Harden were generally not considered all stars)

[sashaturiaf]

Just as a very basic exercise

Super star = 3 pts
All-star = 2 pts

2017-19 Warriors*
3+3+2+2=10

2021 Nets
2012 Heat**
3+3+2= 8

2016 Cavs/Warriors
2013 Heat
3+2+2=7

Current Lakers
3+3=6

Current Clippers
3+2=5

Most champion teams have either solid role players or the stars make average role players look good so lets chalk that up as moot

I would call anything above 7 to be overpowered on an anti-competitive level.

*Some may argue draymond was no longer at all star level after KD's arrival; however even if you dont count draymond they still reached an 8 which is OP

**The only time you could argue lebron was on an OP team is 2011 and 2012 since Wade was still borderline superstar terrority, however in 2011 the role players were legit BAD (mike bibby, joel anthony, arroyo, corpse of ilgauskas playing big mins) so we can make an exception for that

So 2012 is the only year he was on an OP team

KD will be on an OP team for the 4th time (not counting OKC as Ibaka and Harden were generally not considered all stars)

No disrespect but those weightings look off.

Why is Draymond getting weighed the same as a Bosh or a Kyrie when he is purely role player impact.

[Ballerhogger]

Just as a very basic exercise

Super star = 3 pts
All-star = 2 pts

2017-19 Warriors*
3+3+2+2=10

2021 Nets
2012 Heat**
3+3+2= 8

2016 Cavs/Warriors
2013 Heat
3+2+2=7

Current Lakers
3+3=6

Current Clippers
3+2=5

Most champion teams have either solid role players or the stars make average role players look good so lets chalk that up as moot

I would call anything above 7 to be overpowered on an anti-competitive level.

*Some may argue draymond was no longer at all star level after KD's arrival; however even if you dont count draymond they still reached an 8 which is OP

**The only time you could argue lebron was on an OP team is 2011 and 2012 since Wade was still borderline superstar terrority, however in 2011 the role players were legit BAD (mike bibby, joel anthony, arroyo, corpse of ilgauskas playing big mins) so we can make an exception for that

So 2012 is the only year he was on an OP team

KD will be on an OP team for the 4th time (not counting OKC as Ibaka and Harden were generally not considered all stars)

No disrespect but those weightings look off.

Why is Draymond getting weighed the same as a Bosh or a Kyrie when he is purely role player impact.

His contributions are seen on defense side of the ball

[michaelm]

I agree on paper and healthy it is his best cast. I'm really just focusing on this "last two weeks" part. This team has not been whole the last two weeks, let alone the last month.

Do hear that? Its the sound of the world's smallest violin being played for all you Lakers fans. The 2nd best player on the Warriors, who would be a top 20 player overall at best, is out for the entire season. On top of that, the Warriors have not had any of their centers available to play for the past 3 weeks and have had to start 2 guys the size of shooting guards as their front court.

We could only wish that Curry had a supporting cast that was half as good as Lebron's, even without AD. Imagine a team of Curry/Schroeder/Kuzma/Harrell/Gasol. That's way better than any lineup that we have had all year!

You just wanted to blurt that mess out, it didnt even fit with either comment.

I said 2 or 3 are out. They wont be out for the year and we will repeat. Some how you saw the responses as concession speeches?

Curry is done going to the finals. Swallow that pill with a full glass of water, if need be.

Fine, LeBron has done what he has done and so have all the other players brought up in the superteam discussions. I don’t care how it is defined, be it a top 5 player joining another top 5 player or 3 franchise players joining up, a high percentage of the most elite players in the current era of the NBA have now done one or the other. If people want to praise the elite players who have stayed the home grown course thus far fine, but I see little point in arguing about which win now and/or attempted dynastic moves have been more meritorious/less deserving of censure.