Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[nate33]

Yeah, and it's better to let them develop on someone else's dime, then just steal them after 4 years of development.

Well, certainly -- but to believe that, it'd be nice to look at other cases. The obvious example of as it were the other side of the coin is Jarrett Allen. Or Capela. These guys get paid real $$.

Moving Bertans would be the key.

It's interesting that Allen and Capela, two of the bigger success stories of the athletic rim protector archetype, are no longer playing for the team that drafted them, even though they panned out to be good.

The Nets spent 3.5 years developing Allen only to trade him for a crappy MIL pick because they anticipated that they would be unable to afford him. Again, it's better to be the acquiring team. Cleveland gets him at a market value cost without having to do the work of developing.

Houston spent 4 years developing Capela, during which the final 2 years he was quite useful on a winning team. They then signed him to a market value contract and ultimately traded him (with a 1st) for Covington. I'd say that turned out pretty well. It's probably the biggest success story of a team drafting the athletic rim-protector archetype.

There's also Myles Turner who was drafted by Indiana and still with Indiana.

[NatP4]

Myles Turner would transform this team. He’s so underrated.

[nate33]

Myles Turner would transform this team. He’s so underrated.

I wish he rebounded better, though. I suppose some of it is because he is chasing around forwards more often than a typical center.

[pcbothwel]

Myles Turner would transform this team. He’s so underrated.

I wish he rebounded better, though. I suppose some of it is because he is chasing around forwards more often than a typical center.

Ehh... Hes just a poor rebounder. He rebounds like Rui and we argue its terrible for a 4.

That said, the guy has a 3PTr of 47%. So his offensive rebounds are anemic and really drag down his overall average.
As a comp, both he and Lopez average 10 rebounds/100 possessions. But Lopez grabs 5 offensive and 5 defensive, whereas Turner grabs 2 offensive and 8 defensive.

I would love him on this team to give Rui, Beal, and especially Russ the open lane. They would live at the FT line and Russ's efficiency would sky rocket if he could just get back in the 75% range on FT%.

That said, If we are looking at a buy low prospect on the cheap. We need to circle back to one of my personal favorites from last year... Goga Bitadze.
He's big and agile with great hands and energy. What he cant do is obvious, but also overstated.
- He doesnt rebound that well, but like Lopez, his team seems to because he's a big and physical body that boxes out the other teams rebounding threat.
- He's not explosive, but he is very agile and has great coordination, hands, & timing. This is evident in the PnR on offense and his blocks defensively.
- While he cant switch on the perimeter (Drop Center), he is really savvy and has a very deliberate, High IQ defensive upside. Think Marc Gasol

His shooting projection is obvious. Easy form, balanced, and has shot 71, 73, and 75% the last 3 years from the line. He's got a Brook Lopez/Marc Gasol archetype to him.

[dckingsfan]

Myles Turner would transform this team. He’s so underrated.

I wish he rebounded better, though. I suppose some of it is because he is chasing around forwards more often than a typical center.

I just don't see the trade to make that happen.

[nate33]

I don't know if Boston will be thrilled with that Robinson part. I think they'd rather hang onto as much as that TPE as possible to use on another acquisition.

So just a straight up Bertans for Williams makes sense to me. They can have Len or Lopez if they want, it's up to them.

I really like it for us. Williams is potentially a core piece going forward, and dumping Bertans solves some long term salary issues. And I'd like to see Avdija play more minutes at PF where I think he's a more natural fit, which would open up some time for Troy Brown to get another shot at SF. The resulting team is more athletic, cheaper, and younger. The loss of Bertans' shooting will hurt, but let's face it, we haven't really had Bertans' shooting all year anyhow.

Why does this work for Boston? They may also see Williams as potentially a core piece going forward and I'm sure the Celts are well aware that, at least right now, Bertans is an overpaid, inconsistent 3pt shooter...whose only real contribution is 3pt shooting.

They're not using Williams that much, favoring Thompson and Theis over him. I think they will regard Bertans as the guy they saw for most of last year, not the guy who has been understandably inconsistent due to temporary Covid issues this year.

Bertans is shooting 45% from 3 over the last 12 games. Perhaps Bertans needs to maintain that production for a few more weeks before they believe it, but if he gets to the point where he convinces everyone that he is still the same guy as last year, I think it makes good sense for Boston. They desperately need more scoring and another competent forward to rotate in with Tatum and Brown.

[nate33]

Myles Turner would transform this team. He’s so underrated.

I wish he rebounded better, though. I suppose some of it is because he is chasing around forwards more often than a typical center.

I just don't see the trade to make that happen.

Agreed.

[NatP4]

Probably something like Bryant/Brown/Lopez+2021 1st.

[nate33]

Probably something like Bryant/Brown/Lopez+2021 1st.

Also, acquiring Turner would mean we'd have to dump Bertans salary.

So, effectively, it would be Bryant/Brown/Bertans and a 1st.

[payitforward]

That's a nightmare trade.

[Ruzious]

See if we can take Jontay Porter off of Memphis' hands. He had 14 points (5 of 7 including 2 3's), 5 boards, and 3 blocks in 18 minutes today in the G League against Ignite. Guessing he's on a minutes restriction. Very little chance he gets called up with Tillman, Jonas V, and JJJ ahead of him - not to mention Tillie.

[NatP4]

Turner is the best rim protector in the league and only 24. Under contract for 3 years at a solid $. It’s gonna take some serious assets.

But I’m probably not trading any 1st round picks or players on rookie deals when you have 40 million in dead cap in Westbrook for the next 2.5 years.

[DCZards]

I don't know if Boston will be thrilled with that Robinson part. I think they'd rather hang onto as much as that TPE as possible to use on another acquisition.

So just a straight up Bertans for Williams makes sense to me. They can have Len or Lopez if they want, it's up to them.

I really like it for us. Williams is potentially a core piece going forward, and dumping Bertans solves some long term salary issues. And I'd like to see Avdija play more minutes at PF where I think he's a more natural fit, which would open up some time for Troy Brown to get another shot at SF. The resulting team is more athletic, cheaper, and younger. The loss of Bertans' shooting will hurt, but let's face it, we haven't really had Bertans' shooting all year anyhow.

Why does this work for Boston? They may also see Williams as potentially a core piece going forward and I'm sure the Celts are well aware that, at least right now, Bertans is an overpaid, inconsistent 3pt shooter...whose only real contribution is 3pt shooting.

They're not using Williams that much, favoring Thompson and Theis over him. I think they will regard Bertans as the guy they saw for most of last year, not the guy who has been understandably inconsistent due to temporary Covid issues this year.

Bertans is shooting 45% from 3 over the last 12 games. Perhaps Bertans needs to maintain that production for a few more weeks before they believe it, but if he gets to the point where he convinces everyone that he is still the same guy as last year, I think it makes good sense for Boston. They desperately need more scoring and another competent forward to rotate in with Tatum and Brown.

Boston is apparently definitely looking for more scoring. The names reportedly on their radar screen are Harrison Barnes, Aaron Gordon, George Hill and Evan Fournier.

[payitforward]

It's odd the way some names keep surfacing -- for no good reason, IMO.

For a long time, it was Cousins. Unite him with John Wall. & there was plenty of sentiment to pay him big bucks too. Wouldn't that look great right now?

The other repeated pop-up for a long time was Carmelo Anthony -- I'm sure there are people here who think he's having a great come-back season this year.

Turner is another of those.

[payitforward]

Turner is the best rim protector in the league and only 24. Under contract for 3 years at a solid $. It’s gonna take some serious assets.

What makes you call Turner "the best rim protector in the league?"

If you don't have a specific answer, don't give him any more "best" titles.

If you think it's b/c he blocks a lot of shots, make an actual, specific statistical connection between blocked shots & holding down the opponents scoring percentage on possessions.

If you can't do that (& you can't), then stop over-valuing blocked shots.

Myles Turner is a good defensive Center. He's not worth what he's paid, & I sure as H*ll don't feel like giving up assets to take him off Indy's hands.

Myles Turner is having a career year scoring the ball -- I mean by far his best ever! Not only that, but if he improves only a little bit more, he'll be as good as Garrison Mathews.

[NatP4]

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[NatP4]

Oh boy. That 5 game win streak was all they needed. Kiss that 1st round pick goodbye.

[nate33]

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No they're not. No chance. None.

We can't afford him and he's a terrible fit. This tweet is pure fiction. I guarantee it.

The only way it could happen is if we traded Westbrook for him.