Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[El Poochio]

I for one am glad randle is breaking out, it’s so rare for players do to that in a contract season

Is that how LeBron is always great since he always signs for 1 year

[god shammgod]

[prophet_of_rage]

He makes everyone on his team better. He dragged a crap roster to the play in in the West as a rookie. He didn't have JJJ, their second best player for the last 6 games though. Past JJJ nobody on their roster would start on a contending team.

Dillon Brooks
J.V.
Kyle Anderson
DeAnthony Melton
Brandon Clarke

Replace RJ with Ja and we'd have a completely different outlook and future. To put it in perspective, Memphis wouldn't trade Ja for Mitch / RJ and Randle cap madness not withstanding. Finding Ja, Luka level talents outside the top 5 or 6 in the draft is very hard.

This is where I bieve we devalue our own. I think RJ will be better than Ja sooner rather than later.

And Ja's playstyle can be found later in the draft as Mitchell, SGA, can attest.

And we just have to add a player like that and then a reliable shooter and our starting 5 is set.

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Oh yeah, JUST add a player like Ja? The ONLY chance we have at doing that is by getting into the top 5 of this coming draft. Stop pretending players like Ja are growing on trees..

His play style is pretty common. Quickley is near his playstyle.

His level is a different thing.

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[prophet_of_rage]

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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Apparently you're suggesting that because either the Grizz or Pelicans aren't close to winning chips yet, that those two players must not be living up to the hype. Jordan took 7 years. Give them some time.

On top of that, they don't make the front office decisions. There is also a chance that one or both of those franchises don't add the right players around Zion or Morant. Doesn't make it either of their faults.

Well we're arguing the same thing about Randle. He must not be good enough because he's been o losing teams so let's trade him to get into the lottery to get more guys that will take forever to turn into pros.

How are these guys franchise changers if they win fewer games than Randle?

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[prophet_of_rage]

You know he midsed that dunk, right? But yes his athleticism is crazy. Still the Grizz are a middling 13-13 despite fielding Brandon Clarke, JV, Morant and Brooks.

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13-13 is still better than the RANDLE lead Knicks. Not the RJ LEAD Knicks. Grizz are the MORANT LEAD Grizz. Also a big difference.

The big difference is the supporting cast Ja Morant has versus what Randle has. Ja better have a better record..

And yet it is nearly the same.

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[NewKnicks]

This is where I bieve we devalue our own. I think RJ will be better than Ja sooner rather than later.

And Ja's playstyle can be found later in the draft as Mitchell, SGA, can attest.

And we just have to add a player like that and then a reliable shooter and our starting 5 is set.

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Oh yeah, JUST add a player like Ja? The ONLY chance we have at doing that is by getting into the top 5 of this coming draft. Stop pretending players like Ja are growing on trees..

His play style is pretty common. Quickley is near his playstyle.

His level is a different thing.

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Quickley's style of play is nothing like Ja's.

Ja's style of play is pretty common? Really? Save your post. You're going to look pretty silly in the years to come when Ja takes it to the next level. He's a very unique talent in the league.

[NewKnicks]

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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Apparently you're suggesting that because either the Grizz or Pelicans aren't close to winning chips yet, that those two players must not be living up to the hype. Jordan took 7 years. Give them some time.

On top of that, they don't make the front office decisions. There is also a chance that one or both of those franchises don't add the right players around Zion or Morant. Doesn't make it either of their faults.

Well we're arguing the same thing about Randle. He must not be good enough because he's been o losing teams so let's trade him to get into the lottery to get more guys that will take forever to turn into pros.

How are these guys franchise changers if they win fewer games than Randle?

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I'm not comparing Zion or Ja to Randle, although I'd take either of them over Randle in a heartbeat straight up. The better comparison is to RJ. Every front office in the league would take Zion or Ja over RJ right now. We need some more realism around here.

And I just can't get past your statements that players like Ja are very common around the league. There is a reason his stock was/is so high.

[prophet_of_rage]

Oh yeah, JUST add a player like Ja? The ONLY chance we have at doing that is by getting into the top 5 of this coming draft. Stop pretending players like Ja are growing on trees..

His play style is pretty common. Quickley is near his playstyle.

His level is a different thing.

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Quickley's style of play is nothing like Ja's.

Ja's style of play is pretty common? Really? Save your post. You're going to look pretty silly in the years to come when Ja takes it to the next level. He's a very unique talent in the league.

I'll save it. We've seen Fox, Rose already play his style. SGA plays his style. Mitchell plays his style with a better jumpshot. Maxey plays his style. Attack, attack and create, take enough 3s that they can't sag off.

I think he'll be great offensively. Maybe he will get better defensively. I don't think he's leading a team anywhere as the man, though.

And I think RJ will be better.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Apparently you're suggesting that because either the Grizz or Pelicans aren't close to winning chips yet, that those two players must not be living up to the hype. Jordan took 7 years. Give them some time.

On top of that, they don't make the front office decisions. There is also a chance that one or both of those franchises don't add the right players around Zion or Morant. Doesn't make it either of their faults.

Well we're arguing the same thing about Randle. He must not be good enough because he's been o losing teams so let's trade him to get into the lottery to get more guys that will take forever to turn into pros.

How are these guys franchise changers if they win fewer games than Randle?

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I'm not comparing Zion or Ja to Randle, although I'd take either of them over Randle in a heartbeat straight up. The better comparison is to RJ. Every front office in the league would take Zion or Ja over RJ right now. We need some more realism around here.

And I just can't get past your statements that players like Ja are very common around the league. There is a reason his stock was/is so high.

His stock is high because was the second best player at the time in the draft.

What does Ja do that isn't reproducible?

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[NewKnicks]

Well we're arguing the same thing about Randle. He must not be good enough because he's been o losing teams so let's trade him to get into the lottery to get more guys that will take forever to turn into pros.

How are these guys franchise changers if they win fewer games than Randle?

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I'm not comparing Zion or Ja to Randle, although I'd take either of them over Randle in a heartbeat straight up. The better comparison is to RJ. Every front office in the league would take Zion or Ja over RJ right now. We need some more realism around here.

And I just can't get past your statements that players like Ja are very common around the league. There is a reason his stock was/is so high.

His stock is high because was the second best player at the time in the draft.

What does Ja do that isn't reproducible?

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Umm, he does a lot that isn't reproduceable. He has All-NBA talent. Yes, I said it.

[3toheadmelo]

Didn't know that we're 6-8 against winning teams this year. Not that bad. That should cement Randle as an all star

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[3toheadmelo]

Zach Lowe has Randle as an all star

Maybe it's a fluke. Maybe we will look back in two months and wonder how the hell Randle made every midrange jumper and 40% of his 3s on pretty high volume -- 4.5 attempts per 36 minutes. A player who was once a little greedy and out of control dribbling is now making the right decision almost every time: 23 points, 11 rebounds 5.5 assists on that 48/41/80.5 shooting line. Wow.

Randle is in better shape, and that has shown on defense. He is no longer a glaring liability defending power forwards in space. On some nights, he's downright good -- alert, engaged, arms spread wide. He is a better defender than Vucevic, though at a less pivotal position. (The flip side: Randle's bad nights on defense are less damaging than Vucevic's.) The Knicks -- the woebegone Knicks -- have outscored opponents by 2.4 points per 100 possessions with Randle on the floor. They are getting walloped when Randle sits, which he doesn't do much; Randle leads the league in minutes.

So my East reserves: Tatum, Brown, Adebayo, Irving, Simmons, Randle, LaVine

[3toheadmelo]

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I might be coming around on Randle..

[3toheadmelo]

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I might be coming around on Randle..

Hop on the bandwagon bro

[NewKnicks]

Can Randle keep this up for a full year? I'm starting to think he can and will. It's crazy to think how far he's come in just one year. But I'd love to see it for two years before locking him up with a max.

[El Poochio]

Randle named All-Star yet?

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[Striders]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

I'm right there with you. Randlye is having a great year, but I think we could potentially get even greater value for him on the trade market.

I just have my doubts about how sustainable this is.

[NewKnicks]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

I'm right there with you. Randlye is having a great year, but I think we could potentially get even greater value for him on the trade market.

I just have my doubts about how sustainable this is.

Another great point. Sustainability. We are in a very easy part of our schedule. It's going to get a lot tougher after the All-Star break. We could be in the midst of a drop to lottery status. And if that's true, we should be looking to move Randle if we can get a significant return for him.