Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[FakeScreenName123]

-he wouldn't trade Kyrie when he knew Kyrie was leaving

-he has refused to 'overpay' in the draft recently, letting "their" guys go to other teams just ahead of them. The Tyler Herro situation, being several picks away from haliburton. Romeo and Aaron feel like very passive picks.

-he won't cut Jeff Teague today (Brad Wannamaker is way better super obviously) and sign IT.

-he sat on his hands at the deadline last year while we literally had to burn a late first this year because we didnt have enough roster space.

-he might be too far into the idea of asset value where the idea that semi ojeleye is not a NBA player yet our system has made him into a valuable --at least more valuable than a late first??? player??? how did we not just turn down his option or wtv and draft someone with that late first????



Presti got westbrook, harden and durant. Ainge got Tatum and Brown and the Kyrie trade. But Presti got Ibaka late, adams late and found roberson. this team is full of late round ainge misses. and the hits really aren't that great compared to everyone else.

There's an air of arrogance, or maybe not even... maybe like, passivitity? that our system/our management will be able to mold/develop. And it turns out if you really like tyler herro it might mean you give up a future first to get him. And it just might be worth it.

What's up with Ainge? Does he still have his fastball? Is he just getting older and frail and less willing to take risks? Am I overreacting? Who's making desicions? Who's really making desicions? What's the direction? What's the plan? Why does it feel llike all this Kemba stuff caught them off guard?

As brad stevens once said, "Winning is hard". If you want to be an elite gm you have to keep being an elite gm.

Discuss.

[Bleeding Green]

Nah. When should he have traded Kyrie and to whom?

Tyler Herro is such a mediocre player, I can't believe people are still on about him. Why does everyone want some crappy shooting shooter with t-rex arms? And to have to trade up to get him, too? Oh no, Ainge didn't trade up to get a guy who shoots worse than Kemba Walker from 3. Langford has a much higher ceiling. Haliburton I dunno, trading up requires another team to want to accept the deal. I don't like Nesmith and would have taken 10 other players, so I don't really care about Haliburton. Maxey, Hampton, Anthony, Bolmaro all there, we'll see who ends up being the best player in like 5 years.

IT sucks. Jeff Teague plays zero minutes.

Who should he have traded for last deadline? Which players moved and for what?

He turned the late first into two seconds. I'd rather have Theo Maledon or Xavier Tillman too, especially over Semi/Javonte but I can wait to see what those seconds turn into.

I dunno what the direction is supposed to be right now. Kemba is so, so, so bad and it is ruining the team for sure. Tatum and Brown, neither one really gets their teammates involved. Kemba barely does as well, and he is apparently a 50 TS% guy now on high volume. You can't win when a player is consistently that bad.

90% of the shots come from these three players and the other 12 players on the roster are just 'stand-in-the-corner-and-shoot-if-we-pass-it-to-you-but-not-really-just-pumpfake-it-and-pass-it-back-please' types of players. Why do the Nets, with three super isolation players, how do they have players who can take more than 6 shots in a game? If Payton Pritchard played in Brooklyn, he'd average more than 6 shots a game I bet. I don't know if this one is on Ainge; it's on the players and/or the coach. Grant Williams shoots 42 pct from 3 this year, yet he only takes 1-2 a game? Jeff Teague has shot 42% from three, why is he not used as an off-ball shooter from the perimeter instead of trying to force him into being a balhandler who ends up taking floaters? Nesmith played 22 minutes last night and took ZERO shots? Rob Williams only plays in 4-5 minute spurts 3 times a game? Maybe I'm delusional, but the talent on this roster is not the issue. It's being mismanaged somehow. Or maybe this is just a normal developmental step when you have two high-usage young all-stars who are still trying to figure out how to get their teammates involved.

But also the best player on the team got COVID. Smart got COVID. Tore his calf. Kemba sucks and is recovering from his knee thing. Weird offseason. Weird season. Tons of young players who don't progress linearly (look at Grant in the bubble and now, for instance). I'm trying to not care about this season because there are so many outside factors. Look at the Raptors, the Heat, Mavs, Nuggets all struggling to find their footing too just a few months after being in the playoffs.

[Gomes3PC]

Ainge has had a rough ~18 months. I don't bury him for Kyrie at all. Dude is just a weird guy and IMO was still worth the risk. I do bury him for:

1. Failing to realize Rozier was combustible and not happy with his role, and not trading him at the deadline OR just investing him and letting him be the high usage scoring guard he has become in CHA.

2. Overplaying his hand with Hayward and coming up empty except for an as-yet-useless TPE. Looks even worse in context of just how well Turner is playing.

3. Completely whiffing on veteran signings Thompson and Teague. He had similar whiffs late in the Garnett era too, betting on guys past their prime like Shaq and Jermaine O'Neal.

4. Failing to consolidate and move up picks, even if it meant "losing" fair value in the trade.

5. Inexplicably in retrospect not just drafting Matisse Thybulle.

6. Getting zero impact from our two lottery picks in Langford/Nesmith

7. Not pushing Brad more aggressively to adapt his style

I don't blame him for:

1. Tatum getting COVID

2. Kemba's knee getting hurt in a useless exhibition game

3. Smart tearing his calf

[BK_2020]

Thybulle sucks. His only skill is having long arms.
Herro's ceiling is White Norman Powell. He's valuable in that he's reached close to that ceiling already, but not someone you trade several picks for. Cam Johnson or P.J. Washington might've been guys to trade up for but Herro is meh.
Semi is solid. I don't know why he gets such hate.

[Bleeding Green]

Thybulle elicits inexplicability now. What does he add above and beyond what Javonte Green adds? The two big whiffs that AInge didn't draft are shooting 34% and 27% from three. Oh the horror of missing out on these players.

[BK_2020]

Thybulle elicits inexplicability now. What does he add above and beyond what Javonte Green adds?

Longer arms

[Fencer reregistered]

Danny seems to have a bit of fear of commitment. He's slow to foreclose his options. He's quick to dump salary. Etc.

But that's served him well in the past. Few guys fail in one pro sport the way he did and go on to an all-star career in another one.

[Bleeding Green]

Thybulle elicits inexplicability now. What does he add above and beyond what Javonte Green adds?

Longer arms

He's a fun player defensively, but he is a total non-factor on the other end to a degree that is almost unplayable. And he's 24 in a week. The Celtics missing out on his 3 points per game probably isn't a big deal. And the Celtics got what, Carsen Edwards and that late first round pick last year that has now turned into two seconds? I guess he's better than Edwards. I can wait to see what the two seconds turn into.

[chrisab123]

Yup he hasn't really done many positive things last few years.

[Stadium5]

Thanks for nothin, Wyc. It starts at the top and this organization is softer than puppy ****.

Ainge has been gunshy and passive for years. This roster has no chance of contending and you can thank Ainge for that. Saying you're going to stick with him and brad because theyre your guys is the most deer in headlights thing I've ever heard. This is green teamer level enabling and exactly the reason why we're in the position we're in now. Ainge has absolutely no pressure on him so why would he have any urgency to take a chance to make this team any better??!!

Brad's soft. He's a nice guy but the gee golly **** belongs with kids in college... Not nba stars with egos that need to be reeled in from time to time. Good X's & O's guy but his mind boggling lineups and obsession with trash players is killing us too.

If Wyc doesn't shift gears quickly then jaylen and tatum are gonna want out of here and who can blame them?

[FakeScreenName123]

Jeff Teague plays zero minutes.

Bro how are you this bad at **** talking Jeff Teague. The dude is starting tonight and air balled a finger roll. Even when you are right you are wrong about Teague.

talent on this roster is not the issue.

Disagree. I think the players they’ve drafted are players they had in mind to be rotational players around stars. And their two stars are still young and not there yet and they’re standing around looking at Carson edwards and tremont waters and shrugging their shoulders. I don’t think they profile out to impact players. Payton Pritchard is going to have a nice career. Doesn’t change my argument.

[Bleeding Green]

Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Rob Williams. That's a good rotation. One of the guys can't stay on the floor, the other isn't allowed to play more than 12 minutes, the other is starting to play now, and Pritchard looks for sure like a player. Add in Grant Williams who looked really good in the bubble and somehow is just a fat **** now. Edwards and Waters are back-end players. Drafted 32 and 51. Edwards can be a player in this league; he's not yet 23.

I wasn't aware Teague would be playing. He has gotten almost no minutes for the last 5 games at least.

[FakeScreenName123]

Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Rob Williams. That's a good rotation.

what? where? when? you're making stuff up

[FakeScreenName123]

i'm just saying maybe as an organization >filter>funnel>fans we've been delusional and it turns out some of these guys don't match up our theoreticals in the present. and that's Danny's fault. and so now he should fix it. and fix it fast. and then we will judge the results accordingly

[FakeScreenName123]

is anybody going to be happy if Danny doesn't do anyting that impacts the top 7 rotation at hte trade deadline? someone who's allowed to make a thread should mkae a poll asking that

[djFan71]

Thybulle elicits inexplicability now. What does he add above and beyond what Javonte Green adds?

Longer arms

He's a fun player defensively, but he is a total non-factor on the other end to a degree that is almost unplayable. And he's 24 in a week. The Celtics missing out on his 3 points per game probably isn't a big deal. And the Celtics got what, Carsen Edwards and that late first round pick last year that has now turned into two seconds? I guess he's better than Edwards. I can wait to see what the two seconds turn into.

We got Grant & Carsen for the pick that was Thybulle. We moved down two slots and Thybulle & Clarke were picked. We took Grant & got Carsen for our troubles.

Getting this year's #30 - was part of the Baynes dump (going from BOS 2019 pick to 2020 #30).

[GoCeltics123]

If this team makes zero trades, as I said, it's time for Wyc to sell the team and Danny and Brad to go.

[Bleeding Green]

Longer arms

He's a fun player defensively, but he is a total non-factor on the other end to a degree that is almost unplayable. And he's 24 in a week. The Celtics missing out on his 3 points per game probably isn't a big deal. And the Celtics got what, Carsen Edwards and that late first round pick last year that has now turned into two seconds? I guess he's better than Edwards. I can wait to see what the two seconds turn into.

We got Grant & Carsen for the pick that was Thybulle. We moved down two slots and Thybulle & Clarke were picked. We took Grant & got Carsen for our troubles.

Getting this year's #30 - was part of the Baynes dump (going from BOS 2019 pick to 2020 #30).

They already had the Grant pick at 22 I believe. They traded 20 for the pick that became Edwards and Ty Jerome, then traded the Jerome pick in the Suns as part of the Baynes trade. Brandon Clarke is tapped out and has taken a step back like Grant Williams this year as well. I wanted him for sure, though.

[chrisab123]

If this team makes zero trades, as I said, it's time for Wyc to sell the team and Danny and Brad to go.

Tough to make deals. Plus this team has players that are probably on scholarship. Tough to ask a guy like Romeo to move on from the program so early.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Well, after this past stretch of horrible losses....I’m finally here in this thread, guys, and I gotta say....

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