So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[stormi]

I don't see a 29 year old shooting guard being very attractive to the Wolves though. And they just traded 2 picks for Covington.

It really wasn't specifically about the Wolves. It was just was just me thinking out loud about how I'd love to see Dame play with another superstar. And they have pieces to make a move, the semantics don't really matter.

Just feel like you keeping running into this issue though, and it's why people put CJ into fake trades every year but they don't go anywhere. A good team wants him but doesn't want to give up a better player for him, and he's not really a fit on a rebuilding team.

It's not an 'issue' man. We're fans on an internet forum discussing a childrens game. Nothing we say here, no matter how rational or thought out, will ever have any impact on the doings of the league. I didn't even propose anything so I'm not sure why you and some other took it so seriously. I'd argue though that CJ hasn't been traded because of how successful he and Portland have been. They've been a consistently strong team for years now, went to a WCF and he's taken over as a huge part of their identity since LMA went to San Antonio. They didn't want to trade CJ, and they still might not. He's peaking into superstardom now.

[stormi]

I've heard that said before, yet Trae Young and Bradley Beal didn't make the All Star team in the East this year. Middleton, Lowry and VanVleet are all pretty good too.

If CJ's your main option he'll put up numbers, but your teams probably not good enough for him to get the nod. Maybe if you flipped him and Middleton he'd be there? Regardless, it would take a pretty specific circumstance for him to make it.

Team success plays into it too. Young or Beal don't get excluded with some semblance of teams success. It's not a slight that CJM hasn't made an allstar game playing at a time when Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, (OKC) Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and Klay Thompson were fighting for spots year in and year out. Someone like Lowry who is a 6x east all star would not have gotten the nod either. The bar is just higher out west.

Right, but I'm saying he's likely not an All Star in either conference.

Baseless accusation. What are you arguing with me about...

[youngcrev]

Team success plays into it too. Young or Beal don't get excluded with some semblance of teams success. It's not a slight that CJM hasn't made an allstar game playing at a time when Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, (OKC) Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and Klay Thompson were fighting for spots year in and year out. Someone like Lowry who is a 6x east all star would not have gotten the nod either. The bar is just higher out west.

Right, but I'm saying he's likely not an All Star in either conference.

Baseless accusation. What are you arguing with me about...

I... Don't get it?

[stormi]

Right, but I'm saying he's likely not an All Star in either conference.

Baseless accusation. What are you arguing with me about...

I... Don't get it?

Me either..... i promise

[Sixerscan]

It really wasn't specifically about the Wolves. It was just was just me thinking out loud about how I'd love to see Dame play with another superstar. And they have pieces to make a move, the semantics don't really matter.

Just feel like you keeping running into this issue though, and it's why people put CJ into fake trades every year but they don't go anywhere. A good team wants him but doesn't want to give up a better player for him, and he's not really a fit on a rebuilding team.

It's not an 'issue' man. We're fans on an internet forum discussing a childrens game. Nothing we say here, no matter how rational or thought out, will ever have any impact on the doings of the league. I didn't even propose anything so I'm not sure why you and some other took it so seriously. I'd argue though that CJ hasn't been traded because of how successful he and Portland have been. They've been a consistently strong team for years now, went to a WCF and he's taken over as a huge part of their identity since LMA went to San Antonio. They didn't want to trade CJ, and they still might not. He's peaking into superstardom now.

I meant the general “you” not like you personally sorry lol. I’ve gone through the same thought experiment and that’s how I’ve always come out on it.

[stormi]

Just feel like you keeping running into this issue though, and it's why people put CJ into fake trades every year but they don't go anywhere. A good team wants him but doesn't want to give up a better player for him, and he's not really a fit on a rebuilding team.

It's not an 'issue' man. We're fans on an internet forum discussing a childrens game. Nothing we say here, no matter how rational or thought out, will ever have any impact on the doings of the league. I didn't even propose anything so I'm not sure why you and some other took it so seriously. I'd argue though that CJ hasn't been traded because of how successful he and Portland have been. They've been a consistently strong team for years now, went to a WCF and he's taken over as a huge part of their identity since LMA went to San Antonio. They didn't want to trade CJ, and they still might not. He's peaking into superstardom now.

I meant the general “you” not like you personally sorry lol. I’ve gone through the same thought experiment and that’s how I’ve always come out on it.

Ah. No problem. I get the CJ to Minnesota thing doesn't make sense and I didn't intend to make it seem like that was something I was throwing out there. I was just saying stuff, my fault.

[youngcrev]

Baseless accusation. What are you arguing with me about...

I... Don't get it?

Me either..... i promise

So you're trying to grammar police me? I'm pretty sure either is correct in my sentence.

[76ciology]

Its simply this.

We need atleast a 20ppg efficient with the ball perimeter scorer.

And he has to be either cheap (would not cost us a pick but a big upgrade to milton), superstar or a top 5 scorer in the league.

CJ is neither.

[elchengue20]

I was checking his numbers and was really surprised.CJ was going nuts before getting hurt.

27 PPG while shooting 44 % from three. 62 TS%. 5 threes made per game.

5 to 1 A/T ratio. 5 APG.

Probably he was coming down to earth sooner or later, but he's exactly the kind of player we need here as the 3rd star. It's not a coincidence those type of players are getting more relevant.The League it's just designed for them to shine.

Also in CJ's case, i always thought he isn't an ideal fit next to Lillard. It's no coincidence Lillard had a slow start with CJ explosion. And now he's killing it. Maybe they finnally realize this and they make him available next offseason. His age and injury history are a little concerning tho.

[elchengue20]

Its simply this.

We need atleast a 20ppg efficient with the ball perimeter scorer.

And he has to be either cheap (would not cost us a pick but a big upgrade to milton), superstar or a top 5 scorer in the league.

CJ is neither.

Yeah i don't think he would make us a powerhouse but we would be a better team with CJ instead of Tobias.

Imagine CJ in Curry's place and replacing Tobias with a Markieff Morris kind of cheap role player.

With that being sayed, Tobias is algo putting very good numbers this season. Not on CJ's level, but still nice.

[sixers4real]

Its simply this.

We need atleast a 20ppg efficient with the ball perimeter scorer.

And he has to be either cheap (would not cost us a pick but a big upgrade to milton), superstar or a top 5 scorer in the league.

CJ is neither.

Cheap one - Evan Fournier. Price - 1st, Scott, Bradley, Korkmaz, Ferguson.
Expensive one - CJ McCollum via three team trade. Price - Green + Curry + Maxey + (Korkmaz OR Scott) + 2FRPs + 2 swaps.

[spikeslovechild]

Its simply this.

We need atleast a 20ppg efficient with the ball perimeter scorer.

And he has to be either cheap (would not cost us a pick but a big upgrade to milton), superstar or a top 5 scorer in the league.

CJ is neither.

Yeah i don't think he would make us a powerhouse but we would be a better team with CJ instead of Tobias.

Imagine CJ in Curry's place and replacing Tobias with a Markieff Morris kind of cheap role player.

With that being sayed, Tobias is algo putting very good numbers this season. Not on CJ's level, but still nice.

CJ isn't going to get moved for many of the reasons other posters have mentioned Jailblzers are not rebuilding and if they decided to move him they'd have to take less value back then his talent warrants because of his contract.

In some ways its similar to the situation we face with Harris no team is going to give us equal talent back because of his deal let alone a piece that upgrades the roster. I really wish posters would realize this and just appreciate the fact he is playing well and seems to be having a bounce back year without adding him to all these crazy trades

He isn't a bad fit for the roster either so there is really zero reason to make a move its not like we are going to clear a bunch of other guys and sign a max contract superstar to pair with Embiid that dream died as soon as we did Simmons

[Sixersftw]

Pompey is reporting that if Kyle is going to be traded his preference is to the Sixers. Again, I don't know what the package realistically is but Kyle would take us to a new level. I'd say championship contenders. I'd hate watching him play though lol.

[Oakvillehoops]

As much as it would be devastating to Raptor nation to lose Kyle Lowry, he deserves to go where he can contend, and the Sixers are the perfect team and his hometown.

I think you guys win the Chip with Lowry. I know people think he’s a flopper and whatever, but if you ever get the opportunity to actually watch him play every day. This guy will legitimately sell his body and heart to win games. He’s who the nba world and media thinks Chris Paul is. And you’d find out pretty quick when he plays for your team

[Zumramania]

We have Tobias, Ben and Joel who all more or less play close to the rim and nobody at the perimeter. This will not end up well in playoffs but we know that anyway. What frustrates me is that we, unlike Utah Jazz who are what they are, actually have a star in Joel and at least half a star in Ben. I know Morey is not a magician and cannot undo all the Brands' crappy moves in one season but yeah...I still hope we get someone who would make us at least a bit more competitive in the playoffs so that we don't watch Ben and especially Joel die out there without a real chance.

Btw, our problem is not that we don't have a bench. Our problem is that our starters (Curry, Green) are actually bench players.

[agiaco]

Pompey is reporting that if Kyle is going to be traded his preference is to the Sixers. Again, I don't know what the package realistically is but Kyle would take us to a new level. I'd say championship contenders. I'd hate watching him play though lol.

I dunno. I feel like that "hate watching him play" is just when he's not on your team. I'll gladly welcome Lowry. He's exactly what the Sixers need to take them over the top. Add a stretch 4 and we are really in business.

[elchengue20]

Its simply this.

We need atleast a 20ppg efficient with the ball perimeter scorer.

And he has to be either cheap (would not cost us a pick but a big upgrade to milton), superstar or a top 5 scorer in the league.

CJ is neither.

Yeah i don't think he would make us a powerhouse but we would be a better team with CJ instead of Tobias.

Imagine CJ in Curry's place and replacing Tobias with a Markieff Morris kind of cheap role player.

With that being sayed, Tobias is algo putting very good numbers this season. Not on CJ's level, but still nice.

CJ isn't going to get moved for many of the reasons other posters have mentioned Jailblzers are not rebuilding and if they decided to move him they'd have to take less value back then his talent warrants because of his contract.

In some ways its similar to the situation we face with Harris no team is going to give us equal talent back because of his deal let alone a piece that upgrades the roster. I really wish posters would realize this and just appreciate the fact he is playing well and seems to be having a bounce back year without adding him to all these crazy trades

He isn't a bad fit for the roster either so there is really zero reason to make a move its not like we are going to clear a bunch of other guys and sign a max contract superstar to pair with Embiid that dream died as soon as we did Simmons

Tobias for CJ it's a realistic trade. Maybe Portland don't want him and we need a 3rd team.

It could be something like :

CJ to Philly
Tobias to Orlando
Aaron Gordon to Portland

For example.

[elchengue20]

I would do a Lowry rental only if it's for a couple of 2nds rounds + salary filler. The only chance would be Toronto really wanting to do him a favor while getting something back befores expires.

No way i pay him 60 million for the next 3 years to a 6 foot 35 year old player. That also means no way we give up a signifcant asset for him.

[SparksFly87]

I would trade for lowry to unload Tobias .

[agiaco]

I would trade for lowry to unload Tobias .

Need a plan to replace Tobias' impact then. Because despite his contract, he's having a hell of a year.That doesn't really get them any closer to title contention. In fact, it probably worsens the chances.