Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Sugarless]

I would trade Dlo for Otto Porter straight up.
I know we are not a Free agency destination but Dlo earning 30M per season in the next 3 years is just brutal.

I would rather have the cap flexibility over his contract moving forward.

I would do that in a second, not just for the flexibility but for the culture. Not sure Chicago would be looking for a guy like Russell, though. What they're lacking is veteran help. I think Rubio would be a better fit for them, and Karnisovas is a guy that knows him pretty well.

Two other teams that could send that type of expiring salary for Russell are the Heat and the Spurs. Of course those 2 organizations are the opposite of what Russell represents, but if one of them thought they could turn him into more of a team player (they'd have a better chance than the Wolves, to be honest), these would work:

- Russell x Dragic + Meyers Leonard. Both Miami contracts have a TO at the end of the season. The Heat have been better lately, but they could feel they need some extra punch as they have one of the lowest scoring, least efficient offenses in the league. Dragic is respected in Miami and he was great for them last playoffs, but he's old-ish and injury prone, and Meyers Leonard is out for the season, so they wouldn't be losing much. It all depends on how coachable they think Russell is with the right people around him, and whether they still think they can get a true star next summer (Giannis is out of the picture and I think Beal would be too hard to get for them, but you never know with Riley at the helm).

- Russell x LaMarcus Aldridge. This one's very unlikely and harder than the one with the Heat for a number of reasons, but as with Miami, if Pop feels he can make Russell play team ball, and he sees him as a good fit next to Dejounte Murray / Derrick White, it would work without any team having to throw anything else.

And a couple other options:

- Orlando: Fournier, Khem Birch and James Ennis. Hard to imagine them being interested in Russell after extending Fultz just a couple months ago, but who knows how long will it take the kid to come back this time.

- Dallas: James Johnson, Marjanovic and WCS. The Wolves would only take on WCS' contract for next season (4M PO) and they'd get some help on the frontcourt while getting rid of Russell's deal. I can't really see the Mavs being all that interested in Russell either, but they need a secondary creator and Carlisle loves his PGs, so maybe there's a chance if they don't play well before the deadline.

Unfortunately I don't think there's one team in the league willing to take on Russell's contract and to send the same salary or close to it on expiring deals. And I don't even think Rosas wants to trade him. There's probably a much better chance that it's Rubio leaving the team either at the trade deadline or next summer.

[Norseman79]

Russell to the 76ers for Danny Green, Mike Scott, and Tony Bradley works....and it works for me. All three are expirings and clear space, have them throw in a first or second if it will make people feel better...

Russell
Curry
Harris
Simmons
Embiid

Should get you to Eastern finals, and if healthy possibly nba finals

[winforlose]

KP, the guy that is always hurt/out missing long stretchings of games. That's all this team needs more of.

Jaylen Brunson, small like JMac who nobody here respects because of size.

Great Plan for a return on Ant/Rubio.

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC and is 2 inches taller. That said, I just checked basketball reference, I didn’t know KP missed so many games in 2017-2018. I knew about the ACL and how he was struggling this season, but your right, this guy has serious issues with staying healthy. The problem is it is hard to find a true center who can give you 20/10 numbers.

Brunson has a real role on his team. He's not the 4-5th pg on a two-way filling in for injuries. Brunson is getting 24 mins/g this year. JMac has never averaged even 20 from his team. Brunson is 6-1 190 and does not have "better numbers across the board" in his career. Assists, steals, blocks, turnovers - negatory. Maybe try not making false statements. Imagine how much you will scape goat and dismiss Brunson for defense once here because he's just another little guy. Jmac has only one game reaching 26 minutes this year. In 30 games so far this year Brunson has 12 games from 26-37 minutes, maybe 10 from 28-37 minutes. You give JMac those kinds of minutes and he does more with it, not to talk down Brunson. They both have usable skill play.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mclaujo01&player_id1=brunsja01&sum=0&request=1

This says it all.

[Jedzz]

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC and is 2 inches taller. That said, I just checked basketball reference, I didn’t know KP missed so many games in 2017-2018. I knew about the ACL and how he was struggling this season, but your right, this guy has serious issues with staying healthy. The problem is it is hard to find a true center who can give you 20/10 numbers.

Brunson has a real role on his team. He's not the 4-5th pg on a two-way filling in for injuries. Brunson is getting 24 mins/g this year. JMac has never averaged even 20 from his team. Brunson is 6-1 190 and does not have "better numbers across the board" in his career. Assists, steals, blocks, turnovers - negatory. Maybe try not making false statements. Imagine how much you will scape goat and dismiss Brunson for defense once here because he's just another little guy. Jmac has only one game reaching 26 minutes this year. In 30 games so far this year Brunson has 12 games from 26-37 minutes, maybe 10 from 28-37 minutes. You give JMac those kinds of minutes and he does more with it, not to talk down Brunson. They both have usable skill play.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mclaujo01&player_id1=brunsja01&sum=0&request=1

This says it all.

You bet it does. It says you are WRONG.

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC

Your link says your claim is wrong! Just as I said. Maybe you are just trying to get people to post and that is all this is for you. A form of trolling?

Spoiler:

From "your link":
JMac :. seasons 1.5, Games started 2, Games total, 50, Mins 19.3, Total Minutes played: 967
Brunson: seasons 2.5, Games started 60, Games total, 156, Mins 20.8, Total Minutes played: 3,249

Already, we see Brunson getting the playing time, starts/role/minutes, triple the games. All things I already posted about and you refuse to take into account. This year even worse, 25 mins/g to JMacs 19/g. So career numbers suck for a comparison, but they still call you WRONG.

Career stats your link provides: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac :. FG% .453, 3P% .384, 2p% .495, FT% .694, TRB 1.9, AST 4.5, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.1, PTS 6.9
Brunson: FG% .477, 3P% .365, 2p% .531, FT% .791, TRB 2.5, AST 3.3, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 9.4

Brunson wins 5 career basic stats, JMac wins 4 career basic stats. Across the board?

Maybe now you can read your own link's comparison. Did you pay for that?

More from your link:

Spoiler:

Per100: Off Rating / Def Rating
JMac :. 116/114
Brunson: 114/115

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP
JMac :... .543 / 15.3 / .105 / -0.2 / -0.8 / -1.0 / 0.4
Brunson: .568 / 14.3 / .096 / -0.2 / -0.2 / -0.4 / 0.8

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Last year: even more wrong!

Spoiler:

Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac: FG% .489, 3p% .382, 2p% .569, FT% .667, TRB 1.6, AST 4.2, STL 1.1, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.0, PTS 7.6
Brun: FG% .466, 3p% .358, 2p% .515, FT% .813, TRB 2.4, AST 3.3, STL 0.4, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 8.2

So, last year JMac wins 6 of these basic stats and Brunson wins 3. Even more telling.

Last year Advanced?

Spoiler:

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP---Per 100 ORtg / DRtg
JMac :... .587 / 16.3 / .130 / 0.3 / 0.0 / 0.3 / 0.3 ------ 121 / 113
Brunson: .553 / 14.9 / .101 / 0.1 / -1.0 / -0.9 / 0.3 ----- 114 / 114

Why should we compare last year, you ask?

Spoiler:

It's the only season in which JMac has any starts(2). Brunson had 16 starts but definitely more of a reserve bench role (18mpg) than compared to this year (25 mpg). So, closer to JMac's roles here both years. As usual, I'm the one looking for as close as we can get to Apples to Apples comparisons.

But nevermind any of these numbers, right winforlose? Because you posting the link and not even looking at your own sought out comparison isn't the point. The numbers proving JMac is a more well rounded PG with all that the role demands and thus proving you might be a fool suggesting we trade for Brunson now also isn't your point with this trade suggestion. Me being right that increased and decreased roles this year impacting this years numbers also isn't interesting to you. Your point of including brunson was simply to keep me posting and you chose another random tiny PG to do it. Am I warm? I've been on fire all year. Especially since I enjoy having a reason to post. However I really don't like fake posting people.

This said it all.

[winforlose]

Brunson has a real role on his team. He's not the 4-5th pg on a two-way filling in for injuries. Brunson is getting 24 mins/g this year. JMac has never averaged even 20 from his team. Brunson is 6-1 190 and does not have "better numbers across the board" in his career. Assists, steals, blocks, turnovers - negatory. Maybe try not making false statements. Imagine how much you will scape goat and dismiss Brunson for defense once here because he's just another little guy. Jmac has only one game reaching 26 minutes this year. In 30 games so far this year Brunson has 12 games from 26-37 minutes, maybe 10 from 28-37 minutes. You give JMac those kinds of minutes and he does more with it, not to talk down Brunson. They both have usable skill play.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mclaujo01&player_id1=brunsja01&sum=0&request=1

This says it all.

You bet it does. It says you are WRONG.

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC

Your link says your claim is wrong! Just as I said. You don't expect me to show it? Maybe you are just trying to get people to post and that is all this is for you.

Career stats your link provides:
JMac :. seasons 1.5, Games started 2, Games total, 50, Mins 19.3, Total Minutes played: 967
Brunson: seasons 2.5, Games started 60, Games total, 156, Mins 20.8, Total Minutes played: 3,249

Already, we see Brunson getting the playing time, starts/role/minutes, triple the games. All things I already posted about and you refuse to take into account.

Career stats you link provides: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac :. FG% .453, 3P% .384, 2p% .495, FT% .694, TRB 1.9, AST 4.5, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.1, PTS 6.9
Brunson: FG% .477, 3P% .365, 2p% .531, FT% .791, TRB 2.5, AST 3.3, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 9.4

Brunson wins 5 career basic stats, JMac wins 4 career basic stats. Across the board?

Maybe now you can read your own link's comparison showing Brunson is NOT better across the board.

More from your link:

Per100: Off Rating / Def Rating
JMac :. 116/114
Brunson: 114/115

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP
JMac :... .543 / 15.3 / .105 / -0.2 / -0.8 / -1.0 / 0.4
Brunson: .568 / 14.3 / .096 / -0.2 / -0.2 / -0.4 / 0.8
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Last year: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac: FG% .489, 3p% .382, 2p% .569, FT% .667, TRB 1.6, AST 4.2, STL 1.1, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.0, PTS 7.6,TS .587
Brun: FG% .466, 3p% .358, 2p% .515, FT% .813, TRB 2.4, AST 3.3, STL 0.4, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 8.2,TS .553

So, last year JMac wins 6 of these basic stats and Brunson wins 3. Even more telling.

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP---Per 100 ORtg / DRtg
JMac :... .587 / 16.3 / .130 / 0.3 / 0.0 / 0.3 / 0.3 ------ 121 / 113
Brunson: .553 / 14.9 / .101 / 0.1 / -1.0 / -0.9 / 0.3 ----- 114 / 114

Why should we compare last year, you ask? It's the only season in which JMac has any starts(2). Brunson had 16 starts but definitely more of a reserve bench role (18mpg) than compared to this year (25 mpg). So, closer to JMac's roles here both years. As usual, I'm the one looking for as close as we can get to Apples to Apples comparisons.

But nevermind any of these numbers, right winforlose? Because you posting the link and not even looking at your own sought out comparison isn't the point. The numbers proving JMac is a more well rounded PG with all that the role demands and thus proving you might be a fool suggesting we trade for Brunson now also isn't your point with this trade suggestion. Me being right that increased and decreased roles this year impacting this years numbers also isn't interesting to you. Your point of including brunson was simply to keep me posting and you chose another random tiny PG to do it. Am I warm? I've been on fire all year. Especially since I enjoy having a reason to post. However I really don't like fake posting people.

First, you have JMAC at better steals but by the numbers it is even. Second, you literally found 2 out of the whole list where he is better. Third, there is a reason JMAC gets so much less time on the floor, even last year when he was really the only other PG on the team. With Dlo hurt this season he is the second PG again and still not getting as much usage as Brunson. What you call on fire is highly speculative and overly emotional. JMAC is on a two way because no one wanted to make him an offer. You say it’s because the wolves would match, but that is a speculative excuse. You have no specific knowledge pointing to it being true. JMAC lacks opportunities because he isn’t doing enough to stand out. Maybe in time that will change, but look at tonight’s stat line if you need further evidence.

[Merc_Porto]

Brunson has a real role on his team. He's not the 4-5th pg on a two-way filling in for injuries. Brunson is getting 24 mins/g this year. JMac has never averaged even 20 from his team. Brunson is 6-1 190 and does not have "better numbers across the board" in his career. Assists, steals, blocks, turnovers - negatory. Maybe try not making false statements. Imagine how much you will scape goat and dismiss Brunson for defense once here because he's just another little guy. Jmac has only one game reaching 26 minutes this year. In 30 games so far this year Brunson has 12 games from 26-37 minutes, maybe 10 from 28-37 minutes. You give JMac those kinds of minutes and he does more with it, not to talk down Brunson. They both have usable skill play.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mclaujo01&player_id1=brunsja01&sum=0&request=1

This says it all.

You bet it does. It says you are WRONG.

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC

Your link says your claim is wrong! Just as I said. Maybe you are just trying to get people to post and that is all this is for you. A form of trolling?

Spoiler:

From "your link":
JMac :. seasons 1.5, Games started 2, Games total, 50, Mins 19.3, Total Minutes played: 967
Brunson: seasons 2.5, Games started 60, Games total, 156, Mins 20.8, Total Minutes played: 3,249

Already, we see Brunson getting the playing time, starts/role/minutes, triple the games. All things I already posted about and you refuse to take into account. This year even worse, 25 mins/g to JMacs 19/g. So career numbers suck for a comparison, but they still call you WRONG.

Career stats your link provides: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac :. FG% .453, 3P% .384, 2p% .495, FT% .694, TRB 1.9, AST 4.5, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.1, PTS 6.9
Brunson: FG% .477, 3P% .365, 2p% .531, FT% .791, TRB 2.5, AST 3.3, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 9.4

Brunson wins 5 career basic stats, JMac wins 4 career basic stats. Across the board?

Maybe now you can read your own link's comparison. Did you pay for that?

More from your link:

Spoiler:

Per100: Off Rating / Def Rating
JMac :. 116/114
Brunson: 114/115

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP
JMac :... .543 / 15.3 / .105 / -0.2 / -0.8 / -1.0 / 0.4
Brunson: .568 / 14.3 / .096 / -0.2 / -0.2 / -0.4 / 0.8

-----
Last year: even more wrong!

Spoiler:

Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac: FG% .489, 3p% .382, 2p% .569, FT% .667, TRB 1.6, AST 4.2, STL 1.1, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.0, PTS 7.6
Brun: FG% .466, 3p% .358, 2p% .515, FT% .813, TRB 2.4, AST 3.3, STL 0.4, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 8.2

So, last year JMac wins 6 of these basic stats and Brunson wins 3. Even more telling.

Last year Advanced?

Spoiler:

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP---Per 100 ORtg / DRtg
JMac :... .587 / 16.3 / .130 / 0.3 / 0.0 / 0.3 / 0.3 ------ 121 / 113
Brunson: .553 / 14.9 / .101 / 0.1 / -1.0 / -0.9 / 0.3 ----- 114 / 114

Why should we compare last year, you ask?

Spoiler:

It's the only season in which JMac has any starts(2). Brunson had 16 starts but definitely more of a reserve bench role (18mpg) than compared to this year (25 mpg). So, closer to JMac's roles here both years. As usual, I'm the one looking for as close as we can get to Apples to Apples comparisons.

But nevermind any of these numbers, right winforlose? Because you posting the link and not even looking at your own sought out comparison isn't the point. The numbers proving JMac is a more well rounded PG with all that the role demands and thus proving you might be a fool suggesting we trade for Brunson now also isn't your point with this trade suggestion. Me being right that increased and decreased roles this year impacting this years numbers also isn't interesting to you. Your point of including brunson was simply to keep me posting and you chose another random tiny PG to do it. Am I warm? I've been on fire all year. Especially since I enjoy having a reason to post. However I really don't like fake posting people.

This said it all.

NICE, using all kind of stats.
You should do more of that...

Try with Dlo now

[Jedzz]

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mclaujo01&player_id1=brunsja01&sum=0&request=1

This says it all.

You bet it does. It says you are WRONG.

Brunson has better numbers across the board compared to JMAC

Your link says your claim is wrong! Just as I said. You don't expect me to show it? Maybe you are just trying to get people to post and that is all this is for you.

Career stats your link provides:
JMac :. seasons 1.5, Games started 2, Games total, 50, Mins 19.3, Total Minutes played: 967
Brunson: seasons 2.5, Games started 60, Games total, 156, Mins 20.8, Total Minutes played: 3,249

Already, we see Brunson getting the playing time, starts/role/minutes, triple the games. All things I already posted about and you refuse to take into account.

Career stats you link provides: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac :. FG% .453, 3P% .384, 2p% .495, FT% .694, TRB 1.9, AST 4.5, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.1, PTS 6.9
Brunson: FG% .477, 3P% .365, 2p% .531, FT% .791, TRB 2.5, AST 3.3, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 9.4

Brunson wins 5 career basic stats, JMac wins 4 career basic stats. Across the board?

Maybe now you can read your own link's comparison showing Brunson is NOT better across the board.

More from your link:

Per100: Off Rating / Def Rating
JMac :. 116/114
Brunson: 114/115

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP
JMac :... .543 / 15.3 / .105 / -0.2 / -0.8 / -1.0 / 0.4
Brunson: .568 / 14.3 / .096 / -0.2 / -0.2 / -0.4 / 0.8
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Last year: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac: FG% .489, 3p% .382, 2p% .569, FT% .667, TRB 1.6, AST 4.2, STL 1.1, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.0, PTS 7.6,TS .587
Brun: FG% .466, 3p% .358, 2p% .515, FT% .813, TRB 2.4, AST 3.3, STL 0.4, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 8.2,TS .553

So, last year JMac wins 6 of these basic stats and Brunson wins 3. Even more telling.

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP---Per 100 ORtg / DRtg
JMac :... .587 / 16.3 / .130 / 0.3 / 0.0 / 0.3 / 0.3 ------ 121 / 113
Brunson: .553 / 14.9 / .101 / 0.1 / -1.0 / -0.9 / 0.3 ----- 114 / 114

Why should we compare last year, you ask? It's the only season in which JMac has any starts(2). Brunson had 16 starts but definitely more of a reserve bench role (18mpg) than compared to this year (25 mpg). So, closer to JMac's roles here both years. As usual, I'm the one looking for as close as we can get to Apples to Apples comparisons.

But nevermind any of these numbers, right winforlose? Because you posting the link and not even looking at your own sought out comparison isn't the point. The numbers proving JMac is a more well rounded PG with all that the role demands and thus proving you might be a fool suggesting we trade for Brunson now also isn't your point with this trade suggestion. Me being right that increased and decreased roles this year impacting this years numbers also isn't interesting to you. Your point of including brunson was simply to keep me posting and you chose another random tiny PG to do it. Am I warm? I've been on fire all year. Especially since I enjoy having a reason to post. However I really don't like fake posting people.

First, you have JMAC at better steals but by the numbers it is even. Second, you literally found 2 out of the whole list where he is better. Third, there is a reason JMAC gets so much less time on the floor, even last year when he was really the only other PG on the team. With Dlo hurt this season he is the second PG again and still not getting as much usage as Brunson. What you call on fire is highly speculative and overly emotional. JMAC is on a two way because no one wanted to make him an offer. You say it’s because the wolves would match, but that is a speculative excuse. You have no specific knowledge pointing to it being true. JMAC lacks opportunities because he isn’t doing enough to stand out. Maybe in time that will change, but look at tonight’s stat line if you need further evidence.

No. The career numbers listed, from your link and in my post you quoted show 1.0 steals for both - career. Got numbers right, added green wrong there. Must have been thinking of last yr when Jmac had 1.1 and Brunson 0.4. Those numbers also were posted. I suppose you don't want to talk about those, you know, when the two players played similar minutes per game.

No. I did not only find two. I found 3 to 7 where Jmac is better and 6 to 8 where Brunson is better Career wise on stats from your link's career comparison from basic to advanced. On Advanced, it gets even closer. Is lying a typical thing you do?

No, last year he wasn't the only PG on the court. But the team did go through many before letting him take over. it has nothing to do with how he plays since his game starts proved what he's capable of in that role. "In the books" as they say bud. Do you want to compare just starts between Brunson and JMac? Are you sure you want to?

[winforlose]

You bet it does. It says you are WRONG.

Your link says your claim is wrong! Just as I said. You don't expect me to show it? Maybe you are just trying to get people to post and that is all this is for you.

Career stats your link provides:
JMac :. seasons 1.5, Games started 2, Games total, 50, Mins 19.3, Total Minutes played: 967
Brunson: seasons 2.5, Games started 60, Games total, 156, Mins 20.8, Total Minutes played: 3,249

Already, we see Brunson getting the playing time, starts/role/minutes, triple the games. All things I already posted about and you refuse to take into account.

Career stats you link provides: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac :. FG% .453, 3P% .384, 2p% .495, FT% .694, TRB 1.9, AST 4.5, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.1, PTS 6.9
Brunson: FG% .477, 3P% .365, 2p% .531, FT% .791, TRB 2.5, AST 3.3, STL 1.0, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 9.4

Brunson wins 5 career basic stats, JMac wins 4 career basic stats. Across the board?

Maybe now you can read your own link's comparison showing Brunson is NOT better across the board.

More from your link:

Per100: Off Rating / Def Rating
JMac :. 116/114
Brunson: 114/115

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP
JMac :... .543 / 15.3 / .105 / -0.2 / -0.8 / -1.0 / 0.4
Brunson: .568 / 14.3 / .096 / -0.2 / -0.2 / -0.4 / 0.8
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Last year: Green = Better, Red = both same
JMac: FG% .489, 3p% .382, 2p% .569, FT% .667, TRB 1.6, AST 4.2, STL 1.1, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.0, PTS 7.6,TS .587
Brun: FG% .466, 3p% .358, 2p% .515, FT% .813, TRB 2.4, AST 3.3, STL 0.4, BLK 0.1, TOV 1.2, PTS 8.2,TS .553

So, last year JMac wins 6 of these basic stats and Brunson wins 3. Even more telling.

Advanced: TS% / PER / WS48 / OBPM / DBPM / BPM / VORP---Per 100 ORtg / DRtg
JMac :... .587 / 16.3 / .130 / 0.3 / 0.0 / 0.3 / 0.3 ------ 121 / 113
Brunson: .553 / 14.9 / .101 / 0.1 / -1.0 / -0.9 / 0.3 ----- 114 / 114

Why should we compare last year, you ask? It's the only season in which JMac has any starts(2). Brunson had 16 starts but definitely more of a reserve bench role (18mpg) than compared to this year (25 mpg). So, closer to JMac's roles here both years. As usual, I'm the one looking for as close as we can get to Apples to Apples comparisons.

But nevermind any of these numbers, right winforlose? Because you posting the link and not even looking at your own sought out comparison isn't the point. The numbers proving JMac is a more well rounded PG with all that the role demands and thus proving you might be a fool suggesting we trade for Brunson now also isn't your point with this trade suggestion. Me being right that increased and decreased roles this year impacting this years numbers also isn't interesting to you. Your point of including brunson was simply to keep me posting and you chose another random tiny PG to do it. Am I warm? I've been on fire all year. Especially since I enjoy having a reason to post. However I really don't like fake posting people.

First, you have JMAC at better steals but by the numbers it is even. Second, you literally found 2 out of the whole list where he is better. Third, there is a reason JMAC gets so much less time on the floor, even last year when he was really the only other PG on the team. With Dlo hurt this season he is the second PG again and still not getting as much usage as Brunson. What you call on fire is highly speculative and overly emotional. JMAC is on a two way because no one wanted to make him an offer. You say it’s because the wolves would match, but that is a speculative excuse. You have no specific knowledge pointing to it being true. JMAC lacks opportunities because he isn’t doing enough to stand out. Maybe in time that will change, but look at tonight’s stat line if you need further evidence.

No. The career numbers listed, from your link and in my post you quoted show 1.0 steals for both - career. Got numbers right, added green wrong there. Must have been thinking of last yr when Jmac had 1.1 and Brunson 0.4. Those numbers also were posted. I suppose you don't want to talk about those, you know, when the two players played similar minutes per game.

No. I did not only find two. I found 3 to 7 where Jmac is better and 6 to 8 where Brunson is better Career wise on stats from your link's career comparison from basic to advanced. On Advanced, it gets even closer. Is lying a typical thing you do?

No, last year he wasn't the only PG on the court. But the team did go through many before letting him take over. it has nothing to do with how he plays since his game starts proved what he's capable of in that role. "In the books" as they say bud. Do you want to compare just starts between Brunson and JMac? Are you sure you want to?

Last years roster, please select the PGs beside Teague and Dlo? Unless you are counting point Wiggins and point Culver. I missed the .1 difference in turnovers so it is 3 instead of 2. You claim lie, I call skimming your post, I will let you decide. As to your obviously very passionate defense of JMAC, I just don’t see a way to have an effective dialogue with you. I say across the board you say well he wins 2 or 3 (which is less than the majority) so I must be lying. You say that the guy puts better numbers with more time and consistency suggests he is worse then the guy who cannot get minutes because he lacks consistency and is inherently less productive. The sad thing is I actually like JMAC in a backup role, I just don’t think he is the second coming. His two man game with Naz is showing some promise and his 3 point shooting is better than Ricky. The problem is he cannot contribute much on rebounding, his size makes him a defensive liability, and he doesn’t always show good judgment when attacking (something that probably gets better with age and experience.) The point of my suggestion was to bring back a young cheap PG to replace Rubio’s minutes and give JMAC someone to compete with for minutes. The primary purpose was to try and find a way to bring in a 20/10 center who can shoot from range. But, as you pointed out, my late night what if was not well enough researched to include KPs injury history which is reasonable in the first year and iffy in the second, but horrible in the 3rd year.

All in all, you need to calm down, stop calling people liars and accusing them of trying to wrong you. Also, what you will like is that I want Ricky traded away and that will give JMAC more minutes if it happens.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2020.html

[Jedzz]

I missed the .1 difference in turnovers so it is 3 instead of 2. You claim lie, I call skimming your post, I will let you decide. As to your obviously very passionate defense of JMAC, I just don’t see a way to have an effective dialogue with you. I say across the board you say well he wins 2 or 3 (which is less than the majority) so I must be lying.

Lying because you keep claiming 2 when the numbers are right there in posts you are quoting. That is you lying or trolling. Take a pick how you want to describe it.

Hey, better Across the Board means he was better all across the board, that's your claim and you got it wrong. you posted a link proving you were wrong. Wonderful.

You continually post false claims to attempt to dismiss my posts, you quote them and post BS. Stop if you can't be real. How about just not doing so. That makes dialogue work much better. Here again, you again claim I said "well he wins 2 or 3". I did not say that, did I? And that's not factual stat information, is it. Liar. Stop lying.

You refuse to admit or even discuss last season both players had a closer team role. But even career numbers don't save your claim. Live with it and keep on troll'n.[/quote]

All in all, you need to calm down, stop calling people liars and accusing them of trying to wrong you. Also, what you will like is that I want Ricky traded away and that will give JMAC more minutes if it happens.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2020.html

I'm so far away from calming down. I've lived long enough for yet another wasted Wolves season. Bought the lies of yet another rat bastard pobo/gm, blown money I shouldn't have on junk entertainment I never should have had hopes in. Then I get to deal with people like you here.

I want JMac traded away. I hope you get Rubio until he retires because this team knows better than most how to get the least out of him. Like every other PG.

[winforlose]

Last years roster, please select the PGs beside Teague and Dlo? Unless you are counting point Wiggins and point Culver. I missed the .1 difference in turnovers so it is 3 instead of 2. You claim lie, I call skimming your post, I will let you decide. As to your obviously very passionate defense of JMAC, I just don’t see a way to have an effective dialogue with you. I say across the board you say well he wins 2 or 3 (which is less than the majority) so I must be lying.

Lying because you keep claiming 2 when the numbers are right there in posts you are quoting. That is you lying or trolling. Take a pick how you want to describe it.

Hey, better Across the Board means he was better all across the board, that's your claim and you got it wrong. you posted a link proving you were wrong. Wonderful.

You continually post false claims to attempt to dismiss me and reality. How about just not doing so. That makes dialogue work much better. Here again, you again claim I said "well he wins 2 or 3". I did not say that, did I? Liar. Stop lying. Just stop, that's all you have to do. i don't think you can, because you are trolling. Simple as that. I'm fairly certain you are targeting me with a troll by suggesting Brunson. But whatever the case you've been proven wrong again.

You refuse to admit or even discuss last season both players had a closer team role. But even career numbers don't save your claim. Live with it and keep on troll'n.

All in all, you need to calm down, stop calling people liars and accusing them of trying to wrong you. Also, what you will like is that I want Ricky traded away and that will give JMAC more minutes if it happens.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2020.html

I'm so far away from calming down. I've lived long enough for yet another wasted Wolves season. Bought the lies of yet another rat bastard pobo/gm, blown money I shouldn't have on junk entertainment I never should have had hopes in. Then I get to deal with people like you here.

I want JMac traded away. Have since before the season. I've just kept defending the skill I see and the hard work he puts in for these losers. Because of how some of you are being here, I want to see Ricky be stuck here in this garbage franchise, see Rosas find leverage over him and hold him in the state of minnesota until he begs for retirement freedom to get out. I want to see 40 games a year of Rubio not hitting simple layups and open 3s here. I want to see you deal with that every season from now on. Because outside of maybe 3-4 games out of 33 he's been the same Rubio this team traded away for cause. The same one who would play better this time of year after the season was dead each year. For whatever reason, this team can't get the jazz/suns Rubio. Imagine that, this team making all the point guards look worse than they are most of the time.[/quote]

Something went wrong on my response. Everything above is me quoting the prior comment from Jed. Below is my response.


You seem to be one bad day away from some kind of S&M related break. You want Rubio to beg for his freedom. I think you could definitely use a drink and a good nights sleep.

I don’t see how I am trolling you. If you had read the prior post I clearly said Brunson was to replace Rubio especially while Dlo is out. Or do you want JMAC playing all 48 minutes? Unless of course you want Ant playing point, because forcing rookies with poor judgment to be a major distributor always works so well.

Since you seem to need validation I will give it to you. When I said across the board I should have said in most categories. I still don’t get how your argument that one player earning their coaches trust and getting consistent minutes is a bad thing actually works but as I said above I skim your posts these days. You will likely get your wish to have JMAC leave as he will likely sign a cheap deal elsewhere to be a 3rd string or he will be like KBD and end up on a two way with another team.

[Jedzz]

Last years roster, please select the PGs beside Teague and Dlo? Unless you are counting point Wiggins and point Culver.

Last years rostered PGs you asked? Maybe you forgot about players like Culver (started at PG - he got 35 rookie starts with a .467 TS), and Shabazz Napier (36 games and 22 starts at PG) and Napier might not even be in the league right now. Yes, Wiggins ran point a few games too, and Teague for sure until the day he was traded and Dlo came in. I suppose it's easy to forget with Rosas flipping players so much. Guess you got this one wrong too. Maybe listen more?

[winforlose]

@Jedzz quoting didn’t work right when I pressed the button so I will post this way. I did forget about Napier. To be fair, I have tried hard to scrub as much of last season from my mind as possible before the trade deadline. Maybe some day I can get those awful Graham 3 attempts out of my head.

As I said before, the best thing JMAC has going for him is his two man game with Reid which is a big plus on bench scoring. Also I do want him finishing games over Ricky as I have said in other forums. Ricky is bad at penetration off the dribble and is less consistent in his shooting.

What is lost in all your responses is any reference to his size, rebounding, or judgment. With a real head coach I do expect to see some improvement by the end of the season, only time will tell.

[Wolveswin]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Picks (see below)
FOR
Brown + Theis

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman
Oubre
Walker
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Celtics 1st (top 10 protected)
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
2026 Warriors 1st (2 years after owed Griz 1st conveyed)

Walker should be able to be moved 2022 trade deadline for value — let him load manage and showcase when not DNP until he is traded.

Wiseman can be Finch’s career achievement as big man he coaches to glory.

2021 draft: Suggs or Cunningham with own Wolves 1st now guaranteed, plus trade back into lottery with 2021 Celtics 1st + 2021 Warriors 1st or Wolves 2nd + Youth (as needed).

Wiseman | Reid
McDaniels | Vanderbilt
Culver | Z. Williams or Kispert or Wagner
Edwards | Okogie
Suggs or Cunningham

2022 draft: tank to top 5 1st plus have assets from Walker trade. This draft is stacked with PF and even SF types.

[SO_MONEY]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Picks (see below)
FOR
Brown + Theis

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman
Oubre
Walker
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Celtics 1st (top 10 protected)
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
2026 Warriors 1st (2 years after owed Griz 1st conveyed)

Walker should be able to be moved 2022 trade deadline for value — let him load manage and showcase when not DNP until he is traded.

Wiseman can be Finch’s career achievement as big man he coaches to glory.

2021 draft: Suggs or Cunningham with own Wolves 1st now guaranteed, plus trade back into lottery with 2021 Celtics 1st + 2021 Warriors 1st or Wolves 2nd + Youth (as needed).

Wiseman | Reid
McDaniels | Vanderbilt
Culver | Z. Williams or Kispert or Wagner
Edwards | Okogie
Suggs or Cunningham

2022 draft: tank to top 5 1st plus have assets from Walker trade. This draft is stacked with PF and even SF types.

No thanks, not nearly enough.

[Jedzz]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Maybe trade Rosas for Ainge?

Can't believe you brought Celtics into the trades for Towns this time and still brought Warriors into it. Consistancy, you've got that.

[Krapinsky]

I think the Celtics could use Rubio. Hard for us to trade him until DLo is healthy though.

[zDank]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Picks (see below)
FOR
Brown + Theis

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman
Oubre
Walker
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Celtics 1st (top 10 protected)
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
2026 Warriors 1st (2 years after owed Griz 1st conveyed)

Walker should be able to be moved 2022 trade deadline for value — let him load manage and showcase when not DNP until he is traded.

Wiseman can be Finch’s career achievement as big man he coaches to glory.

2021 draft: Suggs or Cunningham with own Wolves 1st now guaranteed, plus trade back into lottery with 2021 Celtics 1st + 2021 Warriors 1st or Wolves 2nd + Youth (as needed).

Wiseman | Reid
McDaniels | Vanderbilt
Culver | Z. Williams or Kispert or Wagner
Edwards | Okogie
Suggs or Cunningham

2022 draft: tank to top 5 1st plus have assets from Walker trade. This draft is stacked with PF and even SF types.

Wouldn’t even consider something like this until the after the lottery, when we know if we keep our pick or not, but more likely at next years trade deadline when we have an idea what our 2022 pick will look like. Odds are Cade and Suggs both go top 3 so if our pick is in that range we get to keep it anyways and get the prize of your trade without losing KAT.

[Wolveswin]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Picks (see below)
FOR
Brown + Theis

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman
Oubre
Walker
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Celtics 1st (top 10 protected)
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
2026 Warriors 1st (2 years after owed Griz 1st conveyed)

Walker should be able to be moved 2022 trade deadline for value — let him load manage and showcase when not DNP until he is traded.

Wiseman can be Finch’s career achievement as big man he coaches to glory.

2021 draft: Suggs or Cunningham with own Wolves 1st now guaranteed, plus trade back into lottery with 2021 Celtics 1st + 2021 Warriors 1st or Wolves 2nd + Youth (as needed).

Wiseman | Reid
McDaniels | Vanderbilt
Culver | Z. Williams or Kispert or Wagner
Edwards | Okogie
Suggs or Cunningham

2022 draft: tank to top 5 1st plus have assets from Walker trade. This draft is stacked with PF and even SF types.

Wouldn’t even consider something like this until the after the lottery, when we know if we keep our pick or not, but more likely at next years trade deadline when we have an idea what our 2022 pick will look like. Odds are Cade and Suggs both go top 3 so if our pick is in that range we get to keep it anyways and get the prize of your trade without losing KAT.

No offense — but you are thinking of this all wrong.

1) They get two prizes either way. Wiseman and Wolves 1st returned in this case. BUT with the huge gain of ZERO risk of losing their own 1st.

2) Plus if they wait until after this trade deadline — Warriors almost become zero chance of being a trade partner without Wiggins as salary filler. And that is just gross to consider.

3) Wolves only have 40% chance of keeping their 1st. Banking on it like they will keep it, is false hope.

4) Wolves do run a risk of getting to the point of Towns asking out. Yes, I get it...this trade deadline might be too soon. But it also might be the best time.

[SO_MONEY]

Do you know what a 5 game winning streak gets the Wolves? Still bottom 3 and still only a 40% chance of keeping their own 1st.

Celtics are struggling and the warm seat getting hotter in Boston for Ainge. Time to trade yet another big man to Boston for a premium as Ainge gets desperate.

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Picks (see below)
FOR
Brown + Theis

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman
Oubre
Walker
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Celtics 1st (top 10 protected)
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
2026 Warriors 1st (2 years after owed Griz 1st conveyed)

Walker should be able to be moved 2022 trade deadline for value — let him load manage and showcase when not DNP until he is traded.

Wiseman can be Finch’s career achievement as big man he coaches to glory.

2021 draft: Suggs or Cunningham with own Wolves 1st now guaranteed, plus trade back into lottery with 2021 Celtics 1st + 2021 Warriors 1st or Wolves 2nd + Youth (as needed).

Wiseman | Reid
McDaniels | Vanderbilt
Culver | Z. Williams or Kispert or Wagner
Edwards | Okogie
Suggs or Cunningham

2022 draft: tank to top 5 1st plus have assets from Walker trade. This draft is stacked with PF and even SF types.

Wouldn’t even consider something like this until the after the lottery, when we know if we keep our pick or not, but more likely at next years trade deadline when we have an idea what our 2022 pick will look like. Odds are Cade and Suggs both go top 3 so if our pick is in that range we get to keep it anyways and get the prize of your trade without losing KAT.

No offense — but you are thinking of this all wrong.

1) They get two prizes either way. Wiseman and Wolves 1st returned in this case. BUT with the huge gain of ZERO risk of losing their own 1st.

2) Plus if they wait until after this trade deadline — Warriors almost become zero chance of being a trade partner without Wiggins as salary filler. And that is just gross to consider.

3) Wolves only have 40% chance of keeping their 1st. Banking on it like they will keep it, is false hope.

4) Wolves do run a risk of getting to the point of Towns asking out. Yes, I get it...this trade deadline might be too soon. But it also might be the best time.

I just don't like what GS has to offer, OKC would be the team I would look at...if we are to trade.

[Neeva]

I like Getting the wolves pick back and warriors picks in the future when Curry is done. I’d send Wiseman to a third team for another 2021 or 2022 lotto pick. never again want to build around a center.