WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[Old_Blue]

Why are people surprised that Wiseman has bad hands? This was a known issue. We drafted him hoping we could change that.

The Mystery of James Wiseman

https://sportsobsessive.com/basketball/nba_features/the-mystery-of-james-wiseman/

Standing 7’1″ with a 7’6″ wingspan, Wiseman possesses every measurable an NBA team could ask for, but his short tenure at the University of Memphis did little to close the gap between his significant potential as a player and, you know, on-court proof of concept. At Memphis, Wiseman at times often appeared unsure of what defensive scheme he was being asked to execute. While an elite straight-line athlete, with significant end to end speed and verticle explosion, Wiseman was plagued by both slow feet on the perimeter and bad hands in the paint. Often settling for difficult fadeaways and finesse finishes over using good positioning to attack the rim.

[reamily]

Sell high for wiseman now..thats why were getting this kp talk..

[michaelm]

This is not the board I have known. It was formerly populated by posters who were fans of the team/players.

[KevinMcreynolds]

looked good to me

his motor seems really improved these last two games

[Impuniti]

My hope is that he progresses this year, gets stronger and hopefully improves the 2nd unit which has been diabolical for 80% of the season. The bizarre thing is that in the beginning of the season after 2-3 weeks, they had a month where they were brilliant.

One of the kid's goals should be to fix the massive black hole right now.

[tarantism]

My hope is that he progresses this year, gets stronger and hopefully improves the 2nd unit which has been diabolical for 80% of the season. The bizarre thing is that in the beginning of the season after 2-3 weeks, they had a month where they were brilliant.

One of the kid's goals should be to fix the massive black hole right now.

Best thing they can do for the bench is replace the Wanamaker minutes with a competent guard who can create offense. Wiseman would look worlds better and they wouldn't be heavily relying on Paschall Iso plays to score.

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[cpower]

i think his biggest issue is he could not protect the paint right now, guys have a layup drill on him and he could not do anything about it. Basically he is more like a 4 than a 5.

[Impuniti]

My hope is that he progresses this year, gets stronger and hopefully improves the 2nd unit which has been diabolical for 80% of the season. The bizarre thing is that in the beginning of the season after 2-3 weeks, they had a month where they were brilliant.

One of the kid's goals should be to fix the massive black hole right now.

Best thing they can do for the bench is replace the Wanamaker minutes with a competent guard who can create offense. Wiseman would look worlds better and they wouldn't be heavily relying on Paschall Iso plays to score.

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Who can they get though?

[The-Power]

Teams at pro levels attack playoff caliber teams the same in the regular season as they do in the playoffs, unless there's something to exploit

The reason why this narrative exists is because of crappy teams in the regular season, you dont prepare for them. Also applies early in the season when you simply dont have tape.

But its all narrative. The playoffs are tougher because players are more tired.. thats it. And the only other difference is playing the same team over and over, meaning there are subtle strategic differences - but how is that different from playing good team A tonight, and then good team B tomorrow night?

Well, I listed a bunch of things that are different and your argument boils down to ‘well, but it really isn't’. I'm not sure there is much more one of us can do to convince the other.

To me it's just really evident that playoff series are played with higher intensity, tighter rotations (i.e. better quality on the court), they include more preparation and adjustments, players are figuring each other's tendencies out, and because the stakes are higher the mental aspects become even more important. It's definitely not the same as playing a number of different good teams in a row in the regular season, for all the reasons I just listed that don't apply in that context. This also seems to align with what players and coaches state publicly.

But of course you're entitled to believe that playoffs aren't different and playoff experience doesn't actually matter. Just as you may choose to believe that improvement happens only during practice and not during games, which I find even more far-fetched. Since I'm not a pro-player and not connected to a bunch of NBA players, I don't have the first-hand expertise or experience to tell that you're definitely wrong here – just a firm conviction. ; )

[Outside]

19 years old. C'mon people.

[Mylie10]

What's the point of all that wingspan and catch radius?

But it's the hands.

They have to drill him more on those, make him catch those lobs in practice.

Stop bro....just stop

We have seen him make some amazing catches of the ball lob or not, and yes we have seen fumbles and drops. Jerry Rice dropped a ton of balls his rookie year.

The catch radius is real and it also takes a good pass to catch and convert. It’s as much about a pass as it is the guy catching it.

Imo Draymond, Wiggins, and Bazemore are the three guys that understand how to throw a decent lob pass. Curry is crappy at it.

On some of these he just needs to catch the ball....land...and then go right back up. He’s trying to convert everyone instead of just catching the ball most importantly, but that’s nitpicking.

[Mylie10]

Some interesting Per 36 numbers to look at with Wiseman and others......

Per 36: ROOKIE YEAR

Larry Bird 20/10
Robert Parish 18/14
Hakeem Olajuwon 21/ 12
Anthony Davis 17/10
Giannis 10/6
Tim Duncan 19/11
Ben Simmons 17/9/9
Embiid 29/11 yikes
Ben Wallace 7/11
Chris Bosh 12/8
Kevin Garnett 13/8
Kevin Durant 21/5
James Wiseman 21/10

Not the be all end all.....but it's a way to project out the numbers. He's in good company for sure.

Some of you need to relax

[tarantism]

My hope is that he progresses this year, gets stronger and hopefully improves the 2nd unit which has been diabolical for 80% of the season. The bizarre thing is that in the beginning of the season after 2-3 weeks, they had a month where they were brilliant.

One of the kid's goals should be to fix the massive black hole right now.

Best thing they can do for the bench is replace the Wanamaker minutes with a competent guard who can create offense. Wiseman would look worlds better and they wouldn't be heavily relying on Paschall Iso plays to score.

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Who can they get though?

My guy of the day is Raul Neto

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[FNQ]

Teams at pro levels attack playoff caliber teams the same in the regular season as they do in the playoffs, unless there's something to exploit

The reason why this narrative exists is because of crappy teams in the regular season, you dont prepare for them. Also applies early in the season when you simply dont have tape.

But its all narrative. The playoffs are tougher because players are more tired.. thats it. And the only other difference is playing the same team over and over, meaning there are subtle strategic differences - but how is that different from playing good team A tonight, and then good team B tomorrow night?

Well, I listed a bunch of things that are different and your argument boils down to ‘well, but it really isn't’. I'm not sure there is much more one of us can do to convince the other.

To me it's just really evident that playoff series are played with higher intensity, tighter rotations (i.e. better quality on the court), they include more preparation and adjustments, players are figuring each other's tendencies out, and because the stakes are higher the mental aspects become even more important. It's definitely not the same as playing a number of different good teams in a row in the regular season, for all the reasons I just listed that don't apply in that context. This also seems to align with what players and coaches state publicly.

But of course you're entitled to believe that playoffs aren't different and playoff experience doesn't actually matter. Just as you may choose to believe that improvement happens only during practice and not during games, which I find even more far-fetched. Since I'm not a pro-player and not connected to a bunch of NBA players, I don't have the first-hand expertise or experience to tell that you're definitely wrong here – just a firm conviction. ; )

Well, to be more accurate, I probably wouldnt say there's no difference. I'd say the difference is vastly overstated and mostly meaningless, because of my proximity to teams in the past. I'd absolutely die on the hill of practice being where the majority of improvements happen. I mean.. if you take a test and do well, is it because you've taken a bunch of tests, or because you studied for that specific test? Seems linear to me, and sports has proven to be no different in my experience

[Mylie10]

Why can’t it be both?

For sure without practice Steph Curry doesn’t become Steph Curry and add things ever year.

But you also learn a ton in the Playoffs about what it truly takes to win in the League.

So I say both, but obviously practice is huge.

Off season item for Steph to work on: How to throw a proper lob! He is just such a good shooter, that it’s hard for him to put it where a guy with incredible length can get it.

Draymond is so good because he is not a great shooter and has had to live getting it to others.

[KevinMcreynolds]

19 years old. C'mon people.

and it's always a more difficult transition for bigs

people need to go look at the rookie stats for all the top centers in the league, most of them did nothing. JW is actually ahead of the curve in comparison.

[wco81]

Ball seems to go through his hands at least twice a game.

[Quazza]

Signed a shoe deal with ANTA and was wearing Klays shoes last game

[NeoWarriors]

Signed a shoe deal with ANTA and was wearing Klays shoes last game

37-point quarter incoming.

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[clyde21]

im having trouble envisioning how he's gonna be worthy of the 2nd overall pick in a few years...what exactly is he going to be doing in our offense outside rolling and lob catching (and even that he has such bad bad hands)?

defensively he'll be fine, but doubtful game changing.

i just really don't understand the fit at all, and my confidence is waning even more with every game.

honestly, we need to start thinking about selling high at this point (I know a lot of people don't want to hear this on this board)...but if you wait a couple of years you might torpedo his trade value if all he's gonna be is just rim diver and a guy who can't create much on his own.