G-League Ignite thread

[reamily]

well, for one, DeAndre Hunter is a stud, so i'm not sure why that means anything, a two-way wing shooting 51/37/87, Hunter would go top5 again in a redraft, also Kuminga is like 2.5 years younger than Hunter coming out as well, at the same stage Kuminga is ahead of Hunter in almost all facets

if you have Kuminga dropping out of the top5, who do u have replacing him?

Cade, evan, suggs, green, sleeper pick who will impress on the tournament/or if garuba continues to climb up..

[NO-KG-AI]

I think what he’s saying is that Kuminga is Hunter level, which is really good, but someone could jump ahead of him in a class this deep and talented.




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[No-Man]

Kuminga could very well be Hunter's age

[nolang1]

I’m surprised it took this long in the thread for “anyone from Africa is an age cheat” to come up.

[Duke4life831]

As someone who was a big fan of Hunter predraft (had him at #2 at one point), not really seeing the similarities in their game. Even if we are just talking similar level as a prospect. Kuminga is the better functional athlete, his offensive skill set is much more advanced than Hunter's at the same age, Kuminga is almost as young as you can get in a draft class compared to Hunter who was 22 a month into his rookie season.

[reamily]

As someone who was a big fan of Hunter predraft (had him at #2 at one point), not really seeing the similarities in their game. Even if we are just talking similar level as a prospect. Kuminga is the better functional athlete, his offensive skill set is much more advanced than Hunter's at the same age, Kuminga is almost as young as you can get in a draft class compared to Hunter who was 22 a month into his rookie season.

He will never get the offensive efficiency hunter have, what is for sure now is that kuminga can be relied upon as a swiss knife defender from 1-5..

[Duke4life831]

As someone who was a big fan of Hunter predraft (had him at #2 at one point), not really seeing the similarities in their game. Even if we are just talking similar level as a prospect. Kuminga is the better functional athlete, his offensive skill set is much more advanced than Hunter's at the same age, Kuminga is almost as young as you can get in a draft class compared to Hunter who was 22 a month into his rookie season.

He will never get the offensive efficiency hunter have, what is for sure now is that kuminga can be relied upon as a swiss knife defender from 1-5..

Based on what? You realize Kuminga is 18 years old right now. We didnt see Hunter in college until he was 20 years old (played a few games the month before he turned 20). Even at that age, Hunter averaged 9ppg and practically everything was assisted on.

Also for sure we know Kuminga can be relied upon as a swiss knife defender? What? Ive been leading the Kuminga train for quite sometime now, his defense is just potential at the moment, not actual good production. Far from it being to the level where you can rely on him to defend 1-5.

[No-Man]

Again, you chose to believe that Kuminga is that young, he could easily be 21-22

[clyde21]

As someone who was a big fan of Hunter predraft (had him at #2 at one point), not really seeing the similarities in their game. Even if we are just talking similar level as a prospect. Kuminga is the better functional athlete, his offensive skill set is much more advanced than Hunter's at the same age, Kuminga is almost as young as you can get in a draft class compared to Hunter who was 22 a month into his rookie season.

He will never get the offensive efficiency hunter have, what is for sure now is that kuminga can be relied upon as a swiss knife defender from 1-5..

that's what people said about Hunter too as a prospect

[Duke4life831]

Again, you chose to believe that Kuminga is that young, he could easily be 21-22

So Im supposed to ding him as a prospect because he was born in the Congo? This isnt a Thon Maker situation where for years people were questioning his age legitimacy. I have not seen a single reputable source even mention Kuminga's age being in question.

This would be like me saying, ya Cade is pretty good right now. But he could be on HGH and once he gets to the league he will have to stop that and he will fall off a cliff.

We all can just make up stuff to try and knock a prospect down.

[Duke4life831]

As someone who was a big fan of Hunter predraft (had him at #2 at one point), not really seeing the similarities in their game. Even if we are just talking similar level as a prospect. Kuminga is the better functional athlete, his offensive skill set is much more advanced than Hunter's at the same age, Kuminga is almost as young as you can get in a draft class compared to Hunter who was 22 a month into his rookie season.

He will never get the offensive efficiency hunter have, what is for sure now is that kuminga can be relied upon as a swiss knife defender from 1-5..

that's what people said about Hunter too as a prospect

Yup. We had people on here calling him DeMArre Carroll haha. Thats how high some on here were about his offense and efficiency.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Kuminga could very well be Hunter's age

Stop it now.

[No-Man]

Again, you chose to believe that Kuminga is that young, he could easily be 21-22

So Im supposed to ding him as a prospect because he was born in the Congo? This isnt a Thon Maker situation where for years people were questioning his age legitimacy. I have not seen a single reputable source even mention Kuminga's age being in question.

This would be like me saying, ya Cade is pretty good right now. But he could be on HGH and once he gets to the league he will have to stop that and he will fall off a cliff.

We all can just make up stuff to try and knock a prospect down.

As if Maker was the only one man, I could make a long list (Mutombo, Ibaka, Biyombo, Bassey, Azubuike, Fernando, Sekou,...) it is very obviously a real issue, it happens in Europe at times (but it's rarer and has more to do with people changing nationalities/countries as kids/teens, the Ilyasov special)

And yes there have been rumours floating around about Kuminga in that regard, people do wonder and some scouts think he is 2-3 years older than his DOB, I am not saying that I know one way or another but if you are thinking like a NBA team and you are not doing your due dilligence on it, you are making a mistake

I am not trying to knock him down, wish the best for the guy and I personally think that age tends to be an overrated factor, but it's a clear concern and your comp with a potential character one is just missing the point

[The-Power]

I am not trying to knock him down, wish the best for the guy and I personally think that age tends to be an overrated factor, but it's a clear concern and your comp with a potential character one is just missing the point

Is that why you mentioned age and Kuminga three times just today in this thread, based on nothing but ‘well, why not’?

[No-Man]

No, it is because people continue to bring age as a positive in his case, when I think it's at the very least a neutral thing

[Hoopz Afrik]

Again, you chose to believe that Kuminga is that young, he could easily be 21-22

So Im supposed to ding him as a prospect because he was born in the Congo? This isnt a Thon Maker situation where for years people were questioning his age legitimacy. I have not seen a single reputable source even mention Kuminga's age being in question.

This would be like me saying, ya Cade is pretty good right now. But he could be on HGH and once he gets to the league he will have to stop that and he will fall off a cliff.

We all can just make up stuff to try and knock a prospect down.

As if Maker was the only one man, I could make a long list (Mutombo, Ibaka, Biyombo, Bassey, Azubuike, Fernando, Sekou,...) it is very obviously a real issue, it happens in Europe at times (but it's rarer and has more to do with people changing nationalities/countries as kids/teens, the Ilyasov special)

And yes there have been rumours floating around about Kuminga in that regard, people do wonder and some scouts think he is 2-3 years older than his DOB, I am not saying that I know one way or another but if you are thinking like a NBA team and you are not doing your due dilligence on it, you are making a mistake

I am not trying to knock him down, wish the best for the guy and I personally think that age tends to be an overrated factor, but it's a clear concern and your comp with a potential character one is just missing the point

You really gotta cut this BS out.

[Ruzious]

Again, you chose to believe that Kuminga is that young, he could easily be 21-22

So Im supposed to ding him as a prospect because he was born in the Congo? This isnt a Thon Maker situation where for years people were questioning his age legitimacy. I have not seen a single reputable source even mention Kuminga's age being in question.

This would be like me saying, ya Cade is pretty good right now. But he could be on HGH and once he gets to the league he will have to stop that and he will fall off a cliff.

We all can just make up stuff to try and knock a prospect down.

As if Maker was the only one man, I could make a long list (Mutombo, Ibaka, Biyombo, Bassey, Azubuike, Fernando, Sekou,...) it is very obviously a real issue, it happens in Europe at times (but it's rarer and has more to do with people changing nationalities/countries as kids/teens, the Ilyasov special)

And yes there have been rumours floating around about Kuminga in that regard, people do wonder and some scouts think he is 2-3 years older than his DOB, I am not saying that I know one way or another but if you are thinking like a NBA team and you are not doing your due dilligence on it, you are making a mistake

I am not trying to knock him down, wish the best for the guy and I personally think that age tends to be an overrated factor, but it's a clear concern and your comp with a potential character one is just missing the point

You mentioned those players as if there's proof that they there was age tampering. Is there? With Mutumbo, my recollection is that he was already listed as an older player when he went to Georgetown (and was planning to become a doctor) - there wasn't any deception about it. He was listed as a 25 year old rookie and was listed at 42 when he retired.

[No-Man]

The proof is in the pudding in most of them, has it been acknowledged like it happened with Muhammad or Hield? no, but it hasn't with Maker or Ilyasova either and that doesn't make it less true

Mutombo doesn't even know when he was born himself, he has said as much iirc, he was listed at 25yo but most people within the NBA think he is significantly older and that he retired close to 50yo

Azubuike is just well known, anyone you ask in the league will tell you, he is at least 2 years older than listed, same with Bassey, it's just vox populi and I have sources on the matter

Ibaka and Biyombo are cases I know closely because both came through Spain, where I am from, there was a statistical study about Ibaka's peak/prime as well and how it didn't align with his listed age, Biyombo is also straight up older his camp tinkered with that to improve his stock, and it worked, again any scout worth their money knows that much

And again, no it hasn't been proven, but it happens often times and it's a common practice by agents/camps, so at the very least you have to consider it when we are talking about Kuminga the prospect, and I can tell you that NBA teams are going to dig on that, that's all, I don't want to offend anyone or continue to talk about it, I am just bringing it up as a factor for how it pertains to his basketball evaluation

[Ruzious]

I think it's almost physically impossible that Mutumbo was near 50 when he was playing. I'm sure there was a legit issue with Maker and Biyombo, but for the others you mentioned - even if there was - I don't think it made any difference. I doubt there was with Ilyasova, because I remember him trying to make the Bucks roster the first time, and he looked like a teenager when he was listed at 19 - he was a lot more filled out when he came back 3 years later - looked like a different guy.

[No-Man]

I think it's almost physically impossible that Mutumbo was near 50 when he was playing. I'm sure there was a legit issue with Maker and Biyombo, but for the others you mentioned - even if there was - I don't think it made any difference. I doubt there was with Ilyasova, because I remember him trying to make the Bucks roster the first time, and he looked like a teenager when he was listed at 19 - he was a lot more filled out when he came back 3 years later - looked like a different guy.

Ilyasova is born in 84' not 87 and he is from Uzbekistan originally, not Turkey, his real name is Arsen Ilyasov

You can search the rest, but it's pretty well documented, better than Maker's story actually

It def made a difference with Ibaka when his physical prime basically ended when he was supposed to be 26-27 (he is older like I said), instead of at 28-30