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Re: Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock 

Post#1341 » by Bulls69 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:21 pm

patryk7754 wrote:Nicols, Miller, foles, three 1st and two 2nds for Watson. I think that’s fair value. I only think we can be out bid by a handful of teams. Jets, dolphins, panthers and 49ers being the main competition


Too rich for my blood if Pace does this he should be fired I would had fired Pace after this past season but he had a chance to draft him over Mitch.
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Re: Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock 

Post#1342 » by Brothaman33 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:30 pm

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patryk7754 wrote:Nicols, Miller, foles, three 1st and two 2nds for Watson. I think that’s fair value. I only think we can be out bid by a handful of teams. Jets, dolphins, panthers and 49ers being the main competition


Too rich for my blood if Pac does this he should be fired I would had fired Pace after this past season but he had a chance to draft him over Mitch.


You gotta still be able to build a team around him.

I mean, the Texans HAD him and went 4-12.

What if he gets hurt? Blows a knee out? Are we cool giving up 5 years into the future, to were we pick no higher then the 3rd round? It doesn't work to where you just get him and go 13-3. It has to make sense.
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Re: Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock 

Post#1343 » by patryk7754 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:00 pm

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patryk7754 wrote:Nicols, Miller, foles, three 1st and two 2nds for Watson. I think that’s fair value. I only think we can be out bid by a handful of teams. Jets, dolphins, panthers and 49ers being the main competition


Too rich for my blood if Pac does this he should be fired I would had fired Pace after this past season but he had a chance to draft him over Mitch.


You gotta still be able to build a team around him.

I mean, the Texans HAD him and went 4-12.

What if he gets hurt? Blows a knee out? Are we cool giving up 5 years into the future, to were we pick no higher then the 3rd round? It doesn't work to where you just get him and go 13-3. It has to make sense.

The team is already built around him for the most part. We have a superbowl defense. We have solid oline pieces (but could still use upgrades at T) We have one of the best WRs in Robinson if we tag him plus Kmet and Mooney.

We trade for Watson we need maybe one or two linemen and a decent WR. As far as him getting injured you can't really worry about that. Yeah it sucks that we could have drafted him but instead we trade multiple assets for him but at this point you gotta make a move. This team has been wasted the past three years and the bears haven't had a QB in a 100 years. The time is now to get an elite QB in his prime.
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Re: Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock 

Post#1344 » by Bulls69 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:48 pm

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Too rich for my blood if Pac does this he should be fired I would had fired Pace after this past season but he had a chance to draft him over Mitch.


You gotta still be able to build a team around him.

I mean, the Texans HAD him and went 4-12.

What if he gets hurt? Blows a knee out? Are we cool giving up 5 years into the future, to were we pick no higher then the 3rd round? It doesn't work to where you just get him and go 13-3. It has to make sense.

The team is already built around him for the most part. We have a superbowl defense. We have solid oline pieces (but could still use upgrades at T) We have one of the best WRs in Robinson if we tag him plus Kmet and Mooney.

We trade for Watson we need maybe one or two linemen and a decent WR. As far as him getting injured you can't really worry about that. Yeah it sucks that we could have drafted him but instead we trade multiple assets for him but at this point you gotta make a move. This team has been wasted the past three years and the bears haven't had a QB in a 100 years. The time is now to get an elite QB in his prime.


I have zero confident in Pace to built offence and Nagy to coach a team to the SuperBowl his ego had him pick Mitch over Watson.
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Post#1345 » by Susan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:59 pm

There's talk about Russ being traded as well?

So here's my understanding of how trades/salaries/bonuses work in relation to the salary cap in the NFL. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here:

If we trade for Russ (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/russell-wilson-9885/) the Seahawks are on the hook salary cap wise for his bonus (meaning it's $39M of dead cap for the Seahawks) and we're on the hook for his yearly base salary + his potential roster bonuses.

Given his age, I think he's somebody we have the assets to actually get.
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Post#1346 » by fleet » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:40 am

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Bulls69 wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:Nicols, Miller, foles, three 1st and two 2nds for Watson. I think that’s fair value. I only think we can be out bid by a handful of teams. Jets, dolphins, panthers and 49ers being the main competition


Too rich for my blood if Pac does this he should be fired I would had fired Pace after this past season but he had a chance to draft him over Mitch.


You gotta still be able to build a team around him.

I mean, the Texans HAD him and went 4-12.

What if he gets hurt? Blows a knee out? Are we cool giving up 5 years into the future, to were we pick no higher then the 3rd round? It doesn't work to where you just get him and go 13-3. It has to make sense.

These kinds of deals gutting the team mortgaging the draft pipeline future for established QBs on mega contracts are counterproductive. Hugely expensive quick fix short cuts out won't get us there. Just because Pace is deperate to hang on for one more day doesn't mean we should be sanctioning this stuff. The only kinds of deals I'm interested in are less expensive trade ups, or finding a young QB that has been sitting behind someone else. Or taking a shot at one of these guys like Darnold. Not to say Darnold specifically. But one of those kinds of situations. Stay wholseome and organic everybody.
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Post#1347 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:23 pm

fleet wrote: Stay wholseome and organic everybody.


I went to Whole Foods yesterday so you know I'm good. But honestly, we're not in the position to get a sure-fire QB in the draft. Even if we had a top-10 pick, you never know if these guys will pan out. At least with Waton or Wilson, you know what you're getting. They've proven that they can be successful NFL QB's. It's just so difficult to trade a bunch of FRP's though.

I guess I'm on the fence. I check ESPN every couple hours to see if any more of the QB dominoes have fallen. I don't know if it would be the best move for the team, but it would be really exciting to see a blockbuster trade for a really good QB.
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Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock 

Post#1348 » by MisterRoy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:59 pm

If we are looking for a franchise QB it seems like going going young is the best...UNLESS Pace is trying to save his job and the directive is to win now, then he might go for someone really, really good, expensive and disgruntled?


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Post#1349 » by MalagaBulls » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:27 pm

mlitney01 wrote:
fleet wrote: Stay wholseome and organic everybody.


I went to Whole Foods yesterday so you know I'm good. But honestly, we're not in the position to get a sure-fire QB in the draft. Even if we had a top-10 pick, you never know if these guys will pan out. At least with Waton or Wilson, you know what you're getting. They've proven that they can be successful NFL QB's. It's just so difficult to trade a bunch of FRP's though.

I guess I'm on the fence. I check ESPN every couple hours to see if any more of the QB dominoes have fallen. I don't know if it would be the best move for the team, but it would be really exciting to see a blockbuster trade for a really good QB.
Depending on who they draft in consecutive order (The Jags are a certainty at # 1) I would also call about Gardner and the Eagles about Hurts.
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Post#1350 » by MalagaBulls » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:50 pm

Hoge: Bears should look into purchasing Arlington Park.

It seems to be for sale and has a lot of land and parking. Thoughts?

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Post#1351 » by Susan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:59 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Hoge: Bears should look into purchasing Arlington Park.

It seems to be for sale and has a lot of land and parking. Thoughts?

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Strongly against.

Arlington Heights is too far from the city, no access to any CTA line and just not a good idea for the Bears to leave the city. If they wanted to get the Super Bowl, nobody would want to stay in freaking Schaumburg or Rosemont to party, they'd want to stay downtown and having to travel an hour to reach the venue would just be a mess.

People come from all over the world to visit the City of Chicago for the culture of the city and the neighborhoods, nobody wants to visit a Schaumburgafied Chicago Bears stadium.

If the city wanted it, they could probably do something with Northerly Island and put a monster stadium there. That entire space is a waste and right nearby the current stadium.
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Post#1352 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:09 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hoge: Bears should look into purchasing Arlington Park.

It seems to be for sale and has a lot of land and parking. Thoughts?

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Strongly against.

Arlington Heights is too far from the city, no access to any CTA line and just not a good idea for the Bears to leave the city. If they wanted to get the Super Bowl, nobody would want to stay in freaking Schaumburg or Rosemont to party, they'd want to stay downtown and having to travel an hour to reach the venue would just be a mess.

People come from all over the world to visit the City of Chicago for the culture of the city and the neighborhoods, nobody wants to visit a Schaumburgafied Chicago Bears stadium.

If the city wanted it, they could probably do something with Northerly Island and put a monster stadium there. That entire space is a waste and right nearby the current stadium.


I don’t think they ever would get the Super Bowl even with a dome, that being said Addison was a terrible idea for the Cubs and this is awful too although I might actually go to a game there because it would be way easier to get in and out of. Catering to my needs though is not the wise path as I am a grumpy old man.
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Post#1354 » by Susan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:21 pm

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I'd be happy if they paid up for Russ. He's avoided big hits and is a high high level QB.
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Post#1355 » by Susan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:39 pm

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Post#1356 » by nomorezorro » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:10 pm

he wants to be here?

i'm giving up three firsts for russ and not thinking twice
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Post#1357 » by chicagoballer » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:55 pm

I doubt Russ or DW get traded. Franchises wont trade them and will try significant measures to alleviate tensions. Bring in players/coaches to improve team etc. Better contracts.

Stafford is on the old side. Wentz was not good and disgruntled. What franchise QB has been traded in last 10-20 years that are of similar caliber to Russ or DW? Russ is on a fairly good team. DW is young. I would think bears will sign some average QB or trade up in draft, etc.
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Post#1358 » by MalagaBulls » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:58 pm

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Yoooo
How about a 3 way with a base like this:

Bears out: 2021 & 2022 1sts
Bears in: Derek Carr

Seattle out: Russell Wilson
Seattle in: LV 2021 1st, Bears 2021/22 1st

LV out: Derek Carr, 2021 1st
LV in: Russell Wilson

I'm sure a trade like this would have more parts to it.
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Post#1359 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:09 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:
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Yoooo
How about a 3 way with a base like this:

Bears out: 2021 & 2022 1sts
Bears in: Derek Carr

Seattle out: Russell Wilson
Seattle in: LV 2021 1st, Bears 2021/22 1st

LV out: Derek Carr, 2021 1st
LV in: Russell Wilson

I'm sure a trade like this would have more parts to it.


I like Carr but not that much. I'm not interested in giving up 2 1st's for Carr. I'd rather just sign Winston and/or take a chance on a QB that falls to us.
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Post#1360 » by Susan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:33 pm

chicagoballer wrote:I doubt Russ or DW get traded. Franchises wont trade them and will try significant measures to alleviate tensions. Bring in players/coaches to improve team etc. Better contracts.

Stafford is on the old side. Wentz was not good and disgruntled. What franchise QB has been traded in last 10-20 years that are of similar caliber to Russ or DW? Russ is on a fairly good team. DW is young. I would think bears will sign some average QB or trade up in draft, etc.


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