So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[eyeatoma]

Maxey, Thybulle, Green, 21 frp, 23 frp, 22 swap for Lavine

or

Maxey, '21 frp, Green, Scott for Lowry

I'd do that Lavine trade, but no way Bulls do. They need to sell to their fans they're getting an all-star in return. As much as you tout picks, I don't think they help when the returning pieces are so blah. That being said I'd love to get Lavine for that haul, but I just don't see it. Eversely loves Harris and Thybulle. So Harris would have to be included to even start a deal. If you recall, we tried to get Lavine during the draft and failed. His stock has risen considerably since then. I'd imagine Harris was not on the block on that trade.

The Lowry trade seems more realistic.

[zaz102]

Lowry seems like a good fit since I'm assuming the price wouldn't be too bad. However, my opinion might hinge on if he is willing to accept a reasonable deal after the season.

[youngcrev]

Cool meme, bro.

Buy out your old, tiny meatball so he can join us the right way. Through the buyout market.

Point is, outside of defense, Green provides nothing in the playoffs.

If the 76ers trade for Lowry you likely get a difference maker for this year and the next 2.

Green's shooting in the playoffs the last 4 years has gotten so bad, the Lakers let him walk after all.

The Lakers didn't let him walk, they traded him for Schroder.

For Philly fans...

Obviously the ideal targets would be Maxey, Shake, picks and maybe Thybulle.

At this point is Shake more valuable to the team than Maxey?

It does feel wherever Lowry goes a 3 way trade is likely.

Considerably IMO.

[elchengue20]

No chance in hell we are giving up Maxey and Shake.

If we give up one of them it's gonna be Maxey, and that would be already more than a fair offer.

Also Thybulle is off the table.

[the_process]

Cool meme, bro.

Buy out your old, tiny meatball so he can join us the right way. Through the buyout market.

Point is, outside of defense, Green provides nothing in the playoffs.

If the 76ers trade for Lowry you likely get a difference maker for this year and the next 2.

Green's shooting in the playoffs the last 4 years has gotten so bad, the Lakers let him walk after all.

Lowry is washed sooner than later, and as predicted, wants no part of a home town discount. Since the Sixers aren't re-signing him to a 2-60 deal because that is insanity, the Raptors will get a rental price. Green, Scott, Ferguson, and Poirier plus two 2nds for Lowry (and McCaw into their TPE).

Now if you want actual assets and don't care about Lowry's wishes as one of your premier legacy players, check with a more desperate team with bad money. Call Boston and offer to take that Kemba contract. Call Washington about Westbrook. Those types of deals should get you assets.

[the_process]

Lowry seems like a good fit since I'm assuming the price wouldn't be too bad. However, my opinion might hinge on if he is willing to accept a reasonable deal after the season.

2-60 is not remotely reasonable, and until we hear otherwise, that is his reported ask.

[zaz102]

Lowry seems like a good fit since I'm assuming the price wouldn't be too bad. However, my opinion might hinge on if he is willing to accept a reasonable deal after the season.

2-60 is not remotely reasonable, and until we hear otherwise, that is his reported ask.

I agree with you and if he's unwilling to move from that then a hard pass (unless maybe we get him for Green and slop).

[sixers4real]

Lol about Pompey rumors regarding Lowry to Philly.
Morey is the type of GM that is is only willing to give up assets for something elite.
He’s not giving away Shake Maxey 1st round and Expiring for Lowry and then what, offer him 30 Mil, well, yeah, no happening.
Lowry minus Green Shake and Maxey and we are still not in the same tier as Brooklyn LAL and LAC. Why waste assets.

[sixers4real]

Cool meme, bro.

Buy out your old, tiny meatball so he can join us the right way. Through the buyout market.

Point is, outside of defense, Green provides nothing in the playoffs.

If the 76ers trade for Lowry you likely get a difference maker for this year and the next 2.

Green's shooting in the playoffs the last 4 years has gotten so bad, the Lakers let him walk after all.

Lowry is washed sooner than later, and as predicted, wants no part of a home town discount. Since the Sixers aren't re-signing him to a 2-60 deal because that is insanity, the Raptors will get a rental price. Green, Scott, Ferguson, and Poirier plus two 2nds for Lowry (and McCaw into their TPE).

Now if you want actual assets and don't care about Lowry's wishes as one of your premier legacy players, check with a more desperate team with bad money. Call Boston and offer to take that Kemba contract. Call Washington about Westbrook. Those types of deals should get you assets.

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

[spikeslovechild]

Point is, outside of defense, Green provides nothing in the playoffs.

If the 76ers trade for Lowry you likely get a difference maker for this year and the next 2.

Green's shooting in the playoffs the last 4 years has gotten so bad, the Lakers let him walk after all.

Lowry is washed sooner than later, and as predicted, wants no part of a home town discount. Since the Sixers aren't re-signing him to a 2-60 deal because that is insanity, the Raptors will get a rental price. Green, Scott, Ferguson, and Poirier plus two 2nds for Lowry (and McCaw into their TPE).

Now if you want actual assets and don't care about Lowry's wishes as one of your premier legacy players, check with a more desperate team with bad money. Call Boston and offer to take that Kemba contract. Call Washington about Westbrook. Those types of deals should get you assets.

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

[GutUNC]

The Lowry to PHI thread on the Raptors board......whoo boy. Let's just say the negotiation process between us and them would be the Grampa Simpson meme.

[spikeslovechild]

The Lowry to PHI thread on the Raptors board......whoo boy. Let's just say the negotiation process between us and them would be the Grampa Simpson meme.

Nah raptor fans on realm are the biggest homers around. It was funny reading one of them suggest green playoff shooting struggles make his value lower then his regular season numbers suggest.

What does that make Lowry value then? I mean they are one of a kind fans

[Sixerscan]

Lowry is washed sooner than later, and as predicted, wants no part of a home town discount. Since the Sixers aren't re-signing him to a 2-60 deal because that is insanity, the Raptors will get a rental price. Green, Scott, Ferguson, and Poirier plus two 2nds for Lowry (and McCaw into their TPE).

Now if you want actual assets and don't care about Lowry's wishes as one of your premier legacy players, check with a more desperate team with bad money. Call Boston and offer to take that Kemba contract. Call Washington about Westbrook. Those types of deals should get you assets.

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

They’d probably just play the season out and maybe win a playoff round over trading him for two seconds. Maybe they sign and trade him, maybe they don’t. They’re not just going to give him away.

[the_process]

The Lowry to PHI thread on the Raptors board......whoo boy. Let's just say the negotiation process between us and them would be the Grampa Simpson meme.

Nah raptor fans on realm are the biggest homers around. It was funny reading one of them suggest green playoff shooting struggles make his value lower then his regular season numbers suggest.

What does that make Lowry value then? I mean they are one of a kind fans

It’s funny as hell when they troll Boston, though.

[spikeslovechild]

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

They’d probably just play the season out and maybe win a playoff round over trading him for two seconds. Maybe they sign and trade him, maybe they don’t. They’re not just going to give him away.

Clearly that is not what Lowry wants or he wouldn't have leaked his preferred destination along with other teams he would play for. If they want to keep him despite his wishes that is their decision there will be other options.

He isn't my first choice anyways. Green has value as a 3d guy to a playoff team so the raps want to move him for additional picks they can its not like he is just a pure salary dump

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

That makes it even worse. So not only do you have to lose a rookie contract creator and/or a 1st rounder, but you have to include a multi-time champion defensive player that can space the floor...all just to get in the ballpark of the trade, salary-wise. The ONLY defender on the roster that can consistently space the floor, BTW. The whole value aspect of a deal for Lowry sucks any way you slice it.

If we're putting Maxey and 1st rounders on the table, call up Chicago.

Umm.. history has shown that it’s not a seller’s market once a player asks to be traded. And its not like we’re trading for Kawhi. It’s a fringe allstar player who’s likely to be a 4 month rental.

And the way I read things, its as if Raps isnt asking much for Lowry. It’s just a bidding on which team will give up the highest second round pick value asset

[76ciology]

I feel our package will center around furkan or a couple of 2nd round picks and expirings that dont involve Green, if we do a trade for Lowry.

[spikeslovechild]

I feel our package will center around furkan or a couple of 2nd round picks and expirings that dont involve Green, if we do a trade for Lowry.

He makes 30m its impossible to make a deal without him being included with just scrub expirings. Green also been playing extremely well I just don't see us giving up significant pieces for him outside of Green and a cop of 2nds

Originally when I thought he was making 15m I sort of understood giving up Milton plus a cop of seconds and pure scrubs but at 30m? No thanks. Masai should be able to move Green for picks to a contender

[76ciology]

I feel our package will center around furkan or a couple of 2nd round picks and expirings that dont involve Green, if we do a trade for Lowry.

He makes 30m its impossible to make a deal without him being included with just scrub expirings. Green also been playing extremely well I just don't see us giving up significant pieces for him outside of Green and a cop of 2nds

Originally when I thought he was making 15m I sort of understood giving up Milton plus a cop of seconds and pure scrubs but at 30m? No thanks. Masai should be able to move Green for picks to a contender

Im no expert.

But maybe use the trade exemption?

I feel Morey is just going to follow the 2017-2018 blue print then get Bjelica and Lowry by trade deadline.

[Vampirate]

Spoiler:

That makes it even worse. So not only do you have to lose a rookie contract creator and/or a 1st rounder, but you have to include a multi-time champion defensive player that can space the floor...all just to get in the ballpark of the trade, salary-wise. The ONLY defender on the roster that can consistently space the floor, BTW. The whole value aspect of a deal for Lowry sucks any way you slice it.

If we're putting Maxey and 1st rounders on the table, call up Chicago.

Umm.. history has shown that it’s not a seller’s market once a player asks to be traded. And its not like we’re trading for Kawhi. It’s a fringe allstar player who’s likely to be a 4 month rental.

And the way I read things, its as if Raps isnt asking much for Lowry. It’s just a bidding on which team will give up the highest second round pick value asset

I'm honestly more or less complexed at why Green is looked upon as this asset that you shouldn't part with. His value as an assett has truly plummeted imo.

In his last 4 playoffs his shooting disappears.

His shooting numbers the last 4 playoffs

FG 3pt FT
40.5/ 34.2/ 57
26.7 / 25.0/ 0.0 (no FT)
34.2/ 32.8/ 91.3
34.7/ 33.9/ 66.7

When the playoffs hit he's only really good for defense and that's about it. He'd just be needed for Salary matching.

As for Lowry being a 4 month rental I doubt that. He'd want to join your team in the first place if he gets traded there and if the 76ers are not going to pay him 30 mill per year who is? Eventually he'd have to take an offer somewhere, not at his asking price most likely

The first round pick is pretty much moot as it'll land in the 26-30 range, really a 2nd rounder when you think of it. Whether it's a 1st round or a bunch of 2nds I have no idea.

If Morey doesn't want to give up more than a few 2nds then maybe a 3rd team will com into play? I have no idea.