So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Umm.. history has shown that it’s not a seller’s market once a player asks to be traded. And its not like we’re trading for Kawhi. It’s a fringe allstar player who’s likely to be a 4 month rental.

And the way I read things, its as if Raps isnt asking much for Lowry. It’s just a bidding on which team will give up the highest second round pick value asset

I'm honestly more or less complexed at why Green is looked upon as this asset that you shouldn't part with. His value as an assett has truly plummeted imo.

In his last 4 playoffs his shooting disappears.

His shooting numbers the last 4 playoffs

FG 3pt FT
40.5/ 34.2/ 57
26.7 / 25.0/ 0.0 (no FT)
34.2/ 32.8/ 91.3
34.7/ 33.9/ 66.7

When the playoffs hit he's only really good for defense and that's about it. He'd just be needed for Salary matching.

As for Lowry being a 4 month rental I doubt that. He'd want to join your team in the first place if he gets traded there and if the 76ers are not going to pay him 30 mill per year who is? Eventually he'd have to take an offer somewhere, not at his asking price most likely

The first round pick is pretty much moot as it'll land in the 26-30 range, really a 2nd rounder when you think of it. Whether it's a 1st round or a bunch of 2nds I have no idea.

If Morey doesn't want to give up more than a few 2nds then maybe a 3rd team will com into play? I have no idea.

Why Green is an asset?

First off, we all know Green is not a good player but he’s a useable 3&D player. He is valued by winning teams who already have a couple of stars in place.

That said, he’s an expiring so you probably can get Eric Gordon and some picks for Green.

Personally, given you also dont value Green, I’d prefer to ship other expirings instead of Green (Mike scott, poirier, ferguson and exemptions). Then as you say our 1st wouldnt be valued as much, then we’d ship like 2-3 2nd rounders.

He’s a 4 month rental because his future with the team is uncertain after this. I mean, would he take a $5M per year contract after this? Because I wouldnt want to pay him $15M per year at age 35.

[spikeslovechild]

I feel our package will center around furkan or a couple of 2nd round picks and expirings that dont involve Green, if we do a trade for Lowry.

He makes 30m its impossible to make a deal without him being included with just scrub expirings. Green also been playing extremely well I just don't see us giving up significant pieces for him outside of Green and a cop of 2nds

Originally when I thought he was making 15m I sort of understood giving up Milton plus a cop of seconds and pure scrubs but at 30m? No thanks. Masai should be able to move Green for picks to a contender

Im no expert.

But maybe use the trade exemption?

I feel Morey is just going to follow the 2017-2018 blue print then get Bjelica and Lowry by trade deadline.

Pretty sure it's impossible to combine the tpe in any trade involving a sixer player but there are teams were it could work like you mentioned bjelica or any of the upcoming rfas

[spikeslovechild]

Spoiler:

Umm.. history has shown that it’s not a seller’s market once a player asks to be traded. And its not like we’re trading for Kawhi. It’s a fringe allstar player who’s likely to be a 4 month rental.

And the way I read things, its as if Raps isnt asking much for Lowry. It’s just a bidding on which team will give up the highest second round pick value asset

I'm honestly more or less complexed at why Green is looked upon as this asset that you shouldn't part with. His value as an assett has truly plummeted imo.

In his last 4 playoffs his shooting disappears.

His shooting numbers the last 4 playoffs

FG 3pt FT
40.5/ 34.2/ 57
26.7 / 25.0/ 0.0 (no FT)
34.2/ 32.8/ 91.3
34.7/ 33.9/ 66.7

When the playoffs hit he's only really good for defense and that's about it. He'd just be needed for Salary matching.

As for Lowry being a 4 month rental I doubt that. He'd want to join your team in the first place if he gets traded there and if the 76ers are not going to pay him 30 mill per year who is? Eventually he'd have to take an offer somewhere, not at his asking price most likely

The first round pick is pretty much moot as it'll land in the 26-30 range, really a 2nd rounder when you think of it. Whether it's a 1st round or a bunch of 2nds I have no idea.

If Morey doesn't want to give up more than a few 2nds then maybe a 3rd team will com into play? I have no idea.

Why Green is an asset?

First off, we all know Green is not a good player but he’s a useable 3&D player. He is valued by winning teams who already have a couple of stars in place.

That said, he’s an expiring so you probably can get Eric Gordon and some picks for Green.

Personally, given you also dont value Green, I’d prefer to ship other expirings instead of Green (Mike scott, poirier, ferguson and exemptions). Then as you say our 1st wouldnt be valued as much, then we’d ship like 2-3 2nd rounders.

He’s a 4 month rental because his future with the team is uncertain after this. I mean, would he take a $5M per year contract after this? Because I wouldnt want to pay him $15M per year at age 35.

I like most sixer fans value green as a net positive player. I thought before the season that thybulle does much of the same things at a fraction of the cost but thybulle shooting has taken a massive step back

I don't think the raps would have difficulty moving green for a minor asset as part of the deal. Well see but personally I'd rather see what the market is for other rentals like lonzo before making a deal for lowry raps fans should look at some of those other teams and try to figure out where the assets would be coming from and whether they can offer 30M worth of expirings.

[Vampirate]

Spoiler:

Umm.. history has shown that it’s not a seller’s market once a player asks to be traded. And its not like we’re trading for Kawhi. It’s a fringe allstar player who’s likely to be a 4 month rental.

And the way I read things, its as if Raps isnt asking much for Lowry. It’s just a bidding on which team will give up the highest second round pick value asset

I'm honestly more or less complexed at why Green is looked upon as this asset that you shouldn't part with. His value as an assett has truly plummeted imo.

In his last 4 playoffs his shooting disappears.

His shooting numbers the last 4 playoffs

FG 3pt FT
40.5/ 34.2/ 57
26.7 / 25.0/ 0.0 (no FT)
34.2/ 32.8/ 91.3
34.7/ 33.9/ 66.7

When the playoffs hit he's only really good for defense and that's about it. He'd just be needed for Salary matching.

As for Lowry being a 4 month rental I doubt that. He'd want to join your team in the first place if he gets traded there and if the 76ers are not going to pay him 30 mill per year who is? Eventually he'd have to take an offer somewhere, not at his asking price most likely

The first round pick is pretty much moot as it'll land in the 26-30 range, really a 2nd rounder when you think of it. Whether it's a 1st round or a bunch of 2nds I have no idea.

If Morey doesn't want to give up more than a few 2nds then maybe a 3rd team will com into play? I have no idea.

Why Green is an asset?

First off, we all know Green is not a good player but he’s a useable 3&D player. He is valued by winning teams who already have a couple of stars in place.

That said, he’s an expiring so you probably can get Eric Gordon and some picks for Green.

Personally, given you also dont value Green, I’d prefer to ship other expirings instead of Green (Mike scott, poirier, ferguson and exemptions). Then as you say our 1st wouldnt be valued as much, then we’d ship like 2-3 2nd rounders.

He’s a 4 month rental because his future with the team is uncertain after this. I mean, would he take a $5M per year contract after this? Because I wouldnt want to pay him $15M per year at age 35.

That's fair. I can see Green used as an expiring to get some team some cap room.

I also suppose teams might want Green to help them in the regular season where his value is at it's peak.


As for Lowry, 15 mil per year for 2 years is actually a pretty good gamble considering Lowry's game has aged gracefully and it basically ensures you have a player who can create, dish and shoot for 2 years.

[76ciology]

I'm honestly more or less complexed at why Green is looked upon as this asset that you shouldn't part with. His value as an assett has truly plummeted imo.

In his last 4 playoffs his shooting disappears.

His shooting numbers the last 4 playoffs

FG 3pt FT
40.5/ 34.2/ 57
26.7 / 25.0/ 0.0 (no FT)
34.2/ 32.8/ 91.3
34.7/ 33.9/ 66.7

When the playoffs hit he's only really good for defense and that's about it. He'd just be needed for Salary matching.

As for Lowry being a 4 month rental I doubt that. He'd want to join your team in the first place if he gets traded there and if the 76ers are not going to pay him 30 mill per year who is? Eventually he'd have to take an offer somewhere, not at his asking price most likely

The first round pick is pretty much moot as it'll land in the 26-30 range, really a 2nd rounder when you think of it. Whether it's a 1st round or a bunch of 2nds I have no idea.

If Morey doesn't want to give up more than a few 2nds then maybe a 3rd team will com into play? I have no idea.

Why Green is an asset?

First off, we all know Green is not a good player but he’s a useable 3&D player. He is valued by winning teams who already have a couple of stars in place.

That said, he’s an expiring so you probably can get Eric Gordon and some picks for Green.

Personally, given you also dont value Green, I’d prefer to ship other expirings instead of Green (Mike scott, poirier, ferguson and exemptions). Then as you say our 1st wouldnt be valued as much, then we’d ship like 2-3 2nd rounders.

He’s a 4 month rental because his future with the team is uncertain after this. I mean, would he take a $5M per year contract after this? Because I wouldnt want to pay him $15M per year at age 35.

I like most sixer fans value green as a net positive player. I thought before the season that thybulle does much of the same things at a fraction of the cost but thybulle shooting has taken a massive step back

I don't think the raps would have difficulty moving green for a minor asset as part of the deal. Well see but personally I'd rather see what the market is for other rentals like lonzo before making a deal for lowry raps fans should look at some of those other teams and try to figure out where the assets would be coming from and whether they can offer 30M worth of expirings.

I may soundlip flopping with the Green deal. Because the scenery keeps changing. From being the leader of the Harden sweepstakes to staying in the status quo.

Right now, I think that the Al for Green deal was a bad move.

We could have just signed an off the bench scorer instead of Biid, maybe Alec Burks? Then start Shake then have Al play off the bench. Then stagger Biid and Ben’s minutes. This way you’d still have a first round pick while you can have a good team with Biid on or off the court.

On a grand scheme of things.. i think Al trade is good if we made or plan to make a big move. Like say if we traded Ben for Harden. Or if we look to add more salary in a big trade.
Lets say, Tobias for Beal. Whereas your savings can make up in a scenario where you have to sign Beal for a supermax.

Could that 2025 pick that we traded for Green cost us to lose out on the Harden sweepstakes?

But right now that we stayed in this status quo, I think we’re less talented and have one less first round pick with the Al Horford trade. And you’re feeling its effects with the poor bench play and not being a leader in the first round picks battle.

Then, i also wouldnt say its impossible. But its certainly not that likely. Maybe at the 60% less chance. That Raps would have simply trade Lowry (and baynes?) for Al (and Thybulle?) If they won’t then I’d add Thybulle perhaps? Raps would then have an upgrade on Baynes with Al.

Al would be perfect to play with FVV and Siakam. Al spacing the floor for Siakam while FVV playing pick and pop with Al.
Al can also play with Boucher.

Just think about it.

[Tomjas]

Why Green is an asset?

First off, we all know Green is not a good player but he’s a useable 3&D player. He is valued by winning teams who already have a couple of stars in place.

That said, he’s an expiring so you probably can get Eric Gordon and some picks for Green.

Personally, given you also dont value Green, I’d prefer to ship other expirings instead of Green (Mike scott, poirier, ferguson and exemptions). Then as you say our 1st wouldnt be valued as much, then we’d ship like 2-3 2nd rounders.

He’s a 4 month rental because his future with the team is uncertain after this. I mean, would he take a $5M per year contract after this? Because I wouldnt want to pay him $15M per year at age 35.

I like most sixer fans value green as a net positive player. I thought before the season that thybulle does much of the same things at a fraction of the cost but thybulle shooting has taken a massive step back

I don't think the raps would have difficulty moving green for a minor asset as part of the deal. Well see but personally I'd rather see what the market is for other rentals like lonzo before making a deal for lowry raps fans should look at some of those other teams and try to figure out where the assets would be coming from and whether they can offer 30M worth of expirings.

I may soundlip flopping with the Green deal. Because the scenery keeps changing. From being the leader of the Harden sweepstakes to staying in the status quo.

Right now, I think that the Al for Green deal was a bad move.

We could have just signed an off the bench scorer instead of Biid, maybe Alec Burks? Then start Shake then have Al play off the bench. Then stagger Biid and Ben’s minutes. This way you’d still have a first round pick while you can have a good team with Biid on or off the court.

On a grand scheme of things.. i think Al trade is good if we made or plan to make a big move. Like say if we traded Ben for Harden. Or if we look to add more salary in a big trade.
Lets say, Tobias for Beal. Whereas your savings can make up in a scenario where you have to sign Beal for a supermax.

Could that 2025 pick that we traded for Green cost us to lose out on the Harden sweepstakes?

But right now that we stayed in this status quo, I think we’re less talented and have one less first round pick with the Al Horford trade. And you’re feeling its effects with the poor bench play and not being a leader in the first round picks battle.

Then, i also wouldnt say its impossible. But its certainly not that likely. Maybe at the 60% less chance. That Raps would have simply trade Lowry (and baynes?) for Al (and Thybulle?) If they won’t then I’d add Thybulle perhaps? Raps would then have an upgrade on Baynes with Al.

Al would be perfect to play with FVV and Siakam. Al spacing the floor for Siakam while FVV playing pick and pop with Al.
Al can also play with Boucher.

Just think about it.

I have ZERO regrets about the Al trade

Good guy, excellent player but horrible fit and bad contract for us

I was pleasantly surprised at how “cheaply” we reset

At the beginning of the off season, we had 2 of the worst contracts in the league and were hamstrung

Now ....

Al is gone

Tobi can potentially be moved

We have expiring contracts

Biid and Ben have gone up a notch

Most importantly, team is buying in and seems happy

Much closer to winning a title IMO

[76ciology]

I like most sixer fans value green as a net positive player. I thought before the season that thybulle does much of the same things at a fraction of the cost but thybulle shooting has taken a massive step back

I don't think the raps would have difficulty moving green for a minor asset as part of the deal. Well see but personally I'd rather see what the market is for other rentals like lonzo before making a deal for lowry raps fans should look at some of those other teams and try to figure out where the assets would be coming from and whether they can offer 30M worth of expirings.

I may soundlip flopping with the Green deal. Because the scenery keeps changing. From being the leader of the Harden sweepstakes to staying in the status quo.

Right now, I think that the Al for Green deal was a bad move.

We could have just signed an off the bench scorer instead of Biid, maybe Alec Burks? Then start Shake then have Al play off the bench. Then stagger Biid and Ben’s minutes. This way you’d still have a first round pick while you can have a good team with Biid on or off the court.

On a grand scheme of things.. i think Al trade is good if we made or plan to make a big move. Like say if we traded Ben for Harden. Or if we look to add more salary in a big trade.
Lets say, Tobias for Beal. Whereas your savings can make up in a scenario where you have to sign Beal for a supermax.

Could that 2025 pick that we traded for Green cost us to lose out on the Harden sweepstakes?

But right now that we stayed in this status quo, I think we’re less talented and have one less first round pick with the Al Horford trade. And you’re feeling its effects with the poor bench play and not being a leader in the first round picks battle.

Then, i also wouldnt say its impossible. But its certainly not that likely. Maybe at the 60% less chance. That Raps would have simply trade Lowry (and baynes?) for Al (and Thybulle?) If they won’t then I’d add Thybulle perhaps? Raps would then have an upgrade on Baynes with Al.

Al would be perfect to play with FVV and Siakam. Al spacing the floor for Siakam while FVV playing pick and pop with Al.
Al can also play with Boucher.

Just think about it.

I have ZERO regrets about the Al trade

Good guy, excellent player but horrible fit and bad contract for us

I was pleasantly surprised at how “cheaply” we reset

At the beginning of the off season, we had 2 of the worst contracts in the league and were hamstrung

Now ....

Al is gone

Tobi can potentially be moved

We have expiring contracts

Biid and Ben have gone up a notch

Most importantly, team is buying in and seems happy

Much closer to winning a title IMO

Yeah, but aren’t we a better team with Al and “Biid and Ben have gone up a notch. Most importantly, team is buying in and seems happy”.

I think we’d be a much better team if you simply substitute Al with Green. You also still have that 2025 1st round pick, allowing you to trade 3 first round picks for Beal or Harden.

You’ll be surprised to see that Al is shooting almost as good as Green with 6 attempts and 38% on 3s.

You have 2 season worth of stats to see:
-Milton plays better as a starter than off the bench
-Last season w/o embiid units much superior than this season’s w/o embiid units.

Reset for what? Its not like we cleared a max cap space to sign Giannis this offseason. Fwiw, after we cleared some cap with the Al trade, we signed D12 and its like for the minimum.

Worse comes to worst, maybe we could simply just trade Al, Thybulle and maybe a 2nd rounder for Lowry and Baynes. If we want some cap relief and still make us better,

Again, im basing it on the scenery right now and things may change depending on what we do next.

But given the scenery right now, I think we could have been better off not making the trade.

Are we much closer to win the title this year than last year? Yeah,its because of..
Doc’s coaching
Embiid shooting better than Jordan in mid range
Tobias scoring more on transition
A little uptick with Ben’s play

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But Danny Green isnt a factor.

*my opinion is based on current situation.

[spikeslovechild]

The issue with Al is I thought he would help space the floor along with Richardson but they didn't and it sort of became obvious why as the season went along.

Horford actually couldn't space the floor by that I mean he had the slowest release I think I have ever seen recently in the NBA if he was wide open he could go through his motions and get a good shot off but to do that he was sort of dependent on other players getting him good looks which is the opposite of what this team needed and still does to a certain extent and that is a efficient volume 3pt shooter

He was not a natural scorer intact Harris shot even when it wasn't falling looked better for me anyways moving Harris back to pf and green at SF is overall a big upgrade not only shooting wise but also defensively it also allows us to run the floor and score in transition in a way we just couldn't before zero regrets about the trade overall.

The only regret I kind of have is I wanted hield and Barnes. While I think wed be in a good position had sac taken the deal they didn't and honestly we've gotten such good production from green and Harris its hard to fault it even if we preferred that offer rather then it being a plan b.

[kriss73]

Three years ago the Raps traded for the then 34-old M.Gasol who was averaging 16/9/5 on good efficency.
Actually Gasol's advances stats were even better than Lowry's now.

They needed him to boost their championship odds and the Spaniard had a 23M contract on a 1 year + 1 year (Player Option)
A see a lot of similarity between that trade and a potential trade for Lowry by the Sixers.
Maybe Lowry game will age better but he is for sure set to reach the FA this summer, Gasol was not.

Let's review that trade:
Raps gave to MEM Valenciunas (1yr / 15M), D. Wright (then flipped for two more second round picks), CJ Miles and a 2nd round pick.
In every trade for Lowry, the Sixers have to give up D. Green and his 15M expiring. I think you can easly find a contending team willing to give up a second round pick for him so a package of D. Green, Bradley, Fergs (all expirings) and 2 second round picks will made up for the "D. Wright and stuff" part of the Gasol's trade.

Now, all will go down to how much was the value of an expirings Valenciunas compared with the assets currently in the Sixers portfolio.
Was he worth a 2021 late first round pick? A 2023 first round pick? Maxey +? Shake +? two of them? None of theme?
If Morey and Masai can find the right value comparing 2019 Valenciunas and today sixers assets, I think they will have a fair deal in place.
Personally I would give up only one of those assets, in this order:
1. 2021 late first round pick
2. Maxey
3. 2023 first round pick
4. Shake
Number 1 could be too weak, though.

[Sixerscan]

He makes 30m its impossible to make a deal without him being included with just scrub expirings. Green also been playing extremely well I just don't see us giving up significant pieces for him outside of Green and a cop of 2nds

Originally when I thought he was making 15m I sort of understood giving up Milton plus a cop of seconds and pure scrubs but at 30m? No thanks. Masai should be able to move Green for picks to a contender

Im no expert.

But maybe use the trade exemption?

I feel Morey is just going to follow the 2017-2018 blue print then get Bjelica and Lowry by trade deadline.

Pretty sure it's impossible to combine the tpe in any trade involving a sixer player but there are teams were it could work like you mentioned bjelica or any of the upcoming rfas

Yeah you can’t combine the trade exception with players and you also can’t use it in a three way trade to get the expirings you need from another team. Green would have to be in the trade.

[spikeslovechild]

Three years ago the Raps traded for the then 34-old M.Gasol who was averaging 16/9/5 on good efficency.
Actually Gasol's advances stats were even better than Lowry's now.

They needed him to boost their championship odds and the Spaniard had a 23M contract on a 1 year + 1 year (Player Option)
A see a lot of similarity between that trade and a potential trade for Lowry by the Sixers.
Maybe Lowry game will age better but he is for sure set to reach the FA this summer, Gasol was not.

Let's review that trade:
Raps gave to MEM Valenciunas (1yr / 15M), D. Wright (then flipped for two more second round picks), CJ Miles and a 2nd round pick.
In every trade for Lowry, the Sixers have to give up D. Green and his 15M expiring. I think you can easly find a contending team willing to give up a second round pick for him so a package of D. Green, Bradley, Fergs (all expirings) and 2 second round picks will made up for the "D. Wright and stuff" part of the Gasol's trade.

Now, all will go down to how much was the value of an expirings Valenciunas compared with the assets currently in the Sixers portfolio.
Was he worth a 2021 late first round pick? A 2023 first round pick? Maxey +? Shake +? two of them? None of theme?
If Morey and Masai can find the right value comparing 2019 Valenciunas and today sixers assets, I think they will have a fair deal in place.
Personally I would give up only one of those assets, in this order:
1. 2021 late first round pick
2. Maxey
3. 2023 first round pick
4. Shake
Number 1 could be too weak, though.

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

Shake I think is a much easier ask but I honestly don't see any other team offering that for Lowry who lets face it is grossly overpaid right now. if he was making 15 million like I thought then it would be an easier ask for better assets but he's not

You mention Gasol but something to consider Wright was an upcoming rfa and they traded him after signing him to a new deal both maxley and shake have multiple years left before being rfas they are worth much more imo then Wright was. CJ Miles made like 9M and was a bum. Gasol also made 7m less which isn't a small sum.

I guess the answer is if they are willing to take someone's bad contract with term I can see them getting that kind of offer. Personally I'd rather just walk and trade for an upcoming rfa like lonzo he'll I'd prefer to do that anyways

[Stanford]

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

I don't believe that for a second.

[spikeslovechild]

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

I don't believe that for a second.

That was the narrative coming from both stein and woj so I have no reason to not believe it

Read on Twitter

[zaz102]

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

I don't believe that for a second.

That was the narrative coming from both stein and woj so I have no reason to not believe it

Read on Twitter

Bargaining tactic by planting story?

[Stanford]

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

I don't believe that for a second.

That was the narrative coming from both stein and woj so I have no reason to not believe it

Read on Twitter

I believe they wanted to keep him. I don't believe they "walked away" from a deal because of him. What else was going out in that deal? Three first round picks? Danny? There's not enough data to say "Morey considers Maxey untouchable." It's also out of character for Morey.

[Sixerscan]

To be clear we walked away from the Rockets trade for Harden when they demanded Maxey in addition to Simmons so I would be shocked if he was included in any Lowry deal

I don't believe that for a second.

That was the narrative coming from both stein and woj so I have no reason to not believe it

Read on Twitter

Even if that’s true, the issue was Simmons and picks were also in the deal and you have to draw a line somewhere... if it was just Maxey for Harden he probably would have driven Maxey to Texas.

[Sixerscan]

Three years ago the Raps traded for the then 34-old M.Gasol who was averaging 16/9/5 on good efficency.
Actually Gasol's advances stats were even better than Lowry's now.

They needed him to boost their championship odds and the Spaniard had a 23M contract on a 1 year + 1 year (Player Option)
A see a lot of similarity between that trade and a potential trade for Lowry by the Sixers.
Maybe Lowry game will age better but he is for sure set to reach the FA this summer, Gasol was not.

Let's review that trade:
Raps gave to MEM Valenciunas (1yr / 15M), D. Wright (then flipped for two more second round picks), CJ Miles and a 2nd round pick.
In every trade for Lowry, the Sixers have to give up D. Green and his 15M expiring. I think you can easly find a contending team willing to give up a second round pick for him so a package of D. Green, Bradley, Fergs (all expirings) and 2 second round picks will made up for the "D. Wright and stuff" part of the Gasol's trade.

Now, all will go down to how much was the value of an expirings Valenciunas compared with the assets currently in the Sixers portfolio.
Was he worth a 2021 late first round pick? A 2023 first round pick? Maxey +? Shake +? two of them? None of theme?
If Morey and Masai can find the right value comparing 2019 Valenciunas and today sixers assets, I think they will have a fair deal in place.
Personally I would give up only one of those assets, in this order:
1. 2021 late first round pick
2. Maxey
3. 2023 first round pick
4. Shake
Number 1 could be too weak, though.

Gasol wasn’t considered very valuable at the time, he had a $25.5 million player option coming up that many teams considered a negative value.

Delon Wright got flipped for seconds because he was an RFA and the Grizzlies got lucky in the lottery and got Ja. I think you’re underrating how valuable him and Jonas were.

I really think it will take at least two of those things, otherwise Toronto is just gonna keep him. They may even if you do offer that.

[the_process]

Three years ago the Raps traded for the then 34-old M.Gasol who was averaging 16/9/5 on good efficency.
Actually Gasol's advances stats were even better than Lowry's now.

They needed him to boost their championship odds and the Spaniard had a 23M contract on a 1 year + 1 year (Player Option)
A see a lot of similarity between that trade and a potential trade for Lowry by the Sixers.
Maybe Lowry game will age better but he is for sure set to reach the FA this summer, Gasol was not.

Let's review that trade:
Raps gave to MEM Valenciunas (1yr / 15M), D. Wright (then flipped for two more second round picks), CJ Miles and a 2nd round pick.
In every trade for Lowry, the Sixers have to give up D. Green and his 15M expiring. I think you can easly find a contending team willing to give up a second round pick for him so a package of D. Green, Bradley, Fergs (all expirings) and 2 second round picks will made up for the "D. Wright and stuff" part of the Gasol's trade.

Now, all will go down to how much was the value of an expirings Valenciunas compared with the assets currently in the Sixers portfolio.
Was he worth a 2021 late first round pick? A 2023 first round pick? Maxey +? Shake +? two of them? None of theme?
If Morey and Masai can find the right value comparing 2019 Valenciunas and today sixers assets, I think they will have a fair deal in place.
Personally I would give up only one of those assets, in this order:
1. 2021 late first round pick
2. Maxey
3. 2023 first round pick
4. Shake
Number 1 could be too weak, though.

Gasol wasn’t considered very valuable at the time, he had a $25.5 million player option coming up that many teams considered a negative value.

Delon Wright got flipped for seconds because he was an RFA and the Grizzlies got lucky in the lottery and got Ja. I think you’re underrating how valuable him and Jonas were.

I really think it will take at least two of those things, otherwise Toronto is just gonna keep him. They may even if you do offer that.

I'm good with Toronto keeping him. Maybe that's just me.

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Gasol wasn’t considered very valuable at the time, he had a $25.5 million player option coming up that many teams considered a negative value.

Delon Wright got flipped for seconds because he was an RFA and the Grizzlies got lucky in the lottery and got Ja. I think you’re underrating how valuable him and Jonas were.

I really think it will take at least two of those things, otherwise Toronto is just gonna keep him. They may even if you do offer that.

Toronto was trying to trade away Valenciunas months before the Gasol trade, if my memory helps me.
I don't remember how was considered Gasol at that time, but his numbers weren't bad.

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As it relates to Maxey if you watch him on the bench he is planted right next to Sam. And Sam is talking his ear off about what is going on and how to do things. The 76ers are investing a lot of time and resources into Maxey and it would be a shame to have another team reap all the effort going into him. But I'd rather see him go than shake. When shake is playing the way he can the 2nd unit is not a liability it is an asset.

I know a lot of people are against giving up a first round pick and maybe a second for Lowery. But the window of opportunity is small. Do you hold onto possible good assets or do you go for a championship now? I have waffled on going for it. But with Ben's improvement, Embiid playing at such a high level. I'd be willing to push all of my chips into the middle and go for it.