So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[Sixerscan]

Gasol wasn’t considered very valuable at the time, he had a $25.5 million player option coming up that many teams considered a negative value.

Delon Wright got flipped for seconds because he was an RFA and the Grizzlies got lucky in the lottery and got Ja. I think you’re underrating how valuable him and Jonas were.

I really think it will take at least two of those things, otherwise Toronto is just gonna keep him. They may even if you do offer that.

Toronto was trying to trade away Valenciunas months before the Gasol trade, if my memory helps me.
I don't remember how was considered Gasol at that time, but his numbers weren't bad.

Yeah I think they didn’t want to pay Jonas so they were looking to move him to a rebuilding team for a veteran.

[sixers4real]

Lowry is washed sooner than later, and as predicted, wants no part of a home town discount. Since the Sixers aren't re-signing him to a 2-60 deal because that is insanity, the Raptors will get a rental price. Green, Scott, Ferguson, and Poirier plus two 2nds for Lowry (and McCaw into their TPE).

Now if you want actual assets and don't care about Lowry's wishes as one of your premier legacy players, check with a more desperate team with bad money. Call Boston and offer to take that Kemba contract. Call Washington about Westbrook. Those types of deals should get you assets.

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

1. If you believe the Sixers are giving him 30 mil a year, why don’t other do that as well?
2. Do you really believe Masai takes two second round picks for Lowry, being afraid that’s the best he can get out of Lowry situation?

[mademan]

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

They’d probably just play the season out and maybe win a playoff round over trading him for two seconds. Maybe they sign and trade him, maybe they don’t. They’re not just going to give him away.

Clearly that is not what Lowry wants or he wouldn't have leaked his preferred destination along with other teams he would play for. If they want to keep him despite his wishes that is their decision there will be other options.

He isn't my first choice anyways. Green has value as a 3d guy to a playoff team so the raps want to move him for additional picks they can its not like he is just a pure salary dump

A playoff team basically giving away one of their best players to another playoff team in the same conference is absolutely ridiculous. If the Raps want to trade Lowry (which i see as a strong possibility), theyre not gonna just donate him. 2 second round picks doesnt even keep the Raps on the phone.

And lol at buyouts. Even assuming the Raps would be willing to buy out Lowry (theyre not), Lowry himself wouldn't want to lose his bird rights. It would cap his earning potential this summer as well as limiting the amount of teams he could go to (which sucks as most teams with cap space arent really contenders)

Call Raps fans homers all you want, but offering this kind of trade is throwing rocks in glass houses

[Sixerscan]

They’d probably just play the season out and maybe win a playoff round over trading him for two seconds. Maybe they sign and trade him, maybe they don’t. They’re not just going to give him away.

Clearly that is not what Lowry wants or he wouldn't have leaked his preferred destination along with other teams he would play for. If they want to keep him despite his wishes that is their decision there will be other options.

He isn't my first choice anyways. Green has value as a 3d guy to a playoff team so the raps want to move him for additional picks they can its not like he is just a pure salary dump

A playoff team basically giving away one of their best player to another playoff team in the same conference is absolutely ridiculous. If the Raps want to trade Lowry (which i see as a strong possibility), theyre not gonna just donate him. 2 second round picks doesnt even keep the Raps on the phone.

And lol at buyouts. Even assuming the Raps would be willing to buy out Lowry (theyre not), Lowry himself wouldn't want to lose his bird rights. It would cap his earning potential this summer as well as limiting the amount of teams he could go to (which sucks as most teams with cap space arent really contenders)

Call Raps fans homers all you want, but offering this kind of trade is throwing rocks in glass houses

Yeah, if that’s all their being offered, Lowry can just wait a couple months and go into free agency.

People make this argument about actual mediocre players on actual mediocre teams and the teams just hold onto the guys all the time. It’s not worth it for the teams to just let themselves get screwed over by non-competitive offers because then other teams know they can do that in the future.

I remember a few years ago people saying someone should lowball the Hawks for Dwayne Dedmon and the hawks just didnt trade him because the offers weren’t there. Or that year Tyreke Evans was killing it for Memphis and no one offered them a first round pick for him so they just kept him.

[76ciology]

Im no expert.

But maybe use the trade exemption?

I feel Morey is just going to follow the 2017-2018 blue print then get Bjelica and Lowry by trade deadline.

Pretty sure it's impossible to combine the tpe in any trade involving a sixer player but there are teams were it could work like you mentioned bjelica or any of the upcoming rfas

Yeah you can’t combine the trade exception with players and you also can’t use it in a three way trade to get the expirings you need from another team. Green would have to be in the trade.

Thanks for clarifying. Im always wrong regarding this by combining the exemption with other assets

[ankle420breaker]

Any shot that Lowry and Toronto negotiate a buyout?

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[mademan]

Any shot that Lowry and Toronto negotiate a buyout?

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0% chance. I posted this, but even if Toronto was willing to engage on that front, Lowry would say hell no. It limits where he can go this summer as no team will have his bird rights.

[Vampirate]

Clearly that is not what Lowry wants or he wouldn't have leaked his preferred destination along with other teams he would play for. If they want to keep him despite his wishes that is their decision there will be other options.

He isn't my first choice anyways. Green has value as a 3d guy to a playoff team so the raps want to move him for additional picks they can its not like he is just a pure salary dump

A playoff team basically giving away one of their best player to another playoff team in the same conference is absolutely ridiculous. If the Raps want to trade Lowry (which i see as a strong possibility), theyre not gonna just donate him. 2 second round picks doesnt even keep the Raps on the phone.

And lol at buyouts. Even assuming the Raps would be willing to buy out Lowry (theyre not), Lowry himself wouldn't want to lose his bird rights. It would cap his earning potential this summer as well as limiting the amount of teams he could go to (which sucks as most teams with cap space arent really contenders)

Call Raps fans homers all you want, but offering this kind of trade is throwing rocks in glass houses

Yeah, if that’s all their being offered, Lowry can just wait a couple months and go into free agency.

People make this argument about actual mediocre players on actual mediocre teams and the teams just hold onto the guys all the time. It’s not worth it for the teams to just let themselves get screwed over by non-competitive offers because then other teams know they can do that in the future.

I remember a few years ago people saying someone should lowball the Hawks for Dwayne Dedmon and the hawks just didnt trade him because the offers weren’t there. Or that year Tyreke Evans was killing it for Memphis and no one offered them a first round pick for him so they just kept him.

At the end of the day every fanbase is gonna give an argument why a trade should go into their teams favor simply because of bias.

Thinking about it though, if Lowry hits FA, which team that Lowry would want to play on (presumably wanting to go to a contender) would have the money he wants to sign him?

Lowry wants to play for a contender, preference is the 76ers it looks like. Lowry also wants 30 million per year.

Unless you have his bird rights to go over the cap to resign him, who's going to get him in FA?

[sogood]

Any shot that Lowry and Toronto negotiate a buyout?

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None what so ever. It literally makes no sense for both parties.

[76ciology]

Sixers:
Terrence Ross
Magic pick swap option 2021 1st round pick

Magic:
Shake Milton
9M expiring (poirier, ferguson and bradley)
2021 2nd round pick

Sixers:
Microwave scorer in Ross, helps us this season
Preparing to make noise in the offseason.

Magic:
Cap relief.
Milton continues their magic tradition of mediocrity.

[76ciology]

Any shot that Lowry and Toronto negotiate a buyout?

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Step 1: go to nightclub without following any NBA protocol
Step 2: ask your friend to take a picture of you and post it on social media

Rinse and repeat until your team is exhausted with your behavior and asks for a buyout

*throw a ball to your team’s rookie if this wont work

[spikeslovechild]

There is no reason for that trade for Raptors. They would much rather sing and trade him in the off-season.
I don’t really believe in any Lowry to Philly rumors.

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

1. If you believe the Sixers are giving him 30 mil a year, why don’t other do that as well?
2. Do you really believe Masai takes two second round picks for Lowry, being afraid that’s the best he can get out of Lowry situation?

I believe he would take two seconds and Green yes.

It may also very well end up being the best offer are we all supposed to forget what these rfa trades are like every year's every team thinks they are getting the moon and they end up with a second or heavily protected first. Lowry is in a similar situation but is actually less desirable because he is overpaid and old as dirt.

I mean we will see I guess but if Toronto holds onto him they hold onto him that threat doesn't all of sudden make him more valuable to teams. He isn't a superstar that is going to change the fate of the team that they are going to empty a ton of future assets for intact he has a tendency to disappear in the playoffs for stretches

If Masai can find a team who is willing to part with a young asset and picks ill tip my cap to him I mean it certainly is possible who knows maybe he finds that someone but id rather that someone not be us and seeing guys like Noel get moved as rfas. Beasley. Wright. Others I am confident we can find impact players elsewhere like Ball or MarkKanen.

[mademan]

Except a sign and trade requires cap space who is taking Lowry into 30m cap space as a contending team? Or happens to have an expiring for that amount also do the raptors want to keep 30m worth of scrubs on the roster for mediocre assets?

Lowry also knows the game an over the cap team that is a contender is more likely to give him a good contract if he is already on the roster this leak obviously came from his camp so keep him and have him unhappy then likely lose him for nothing honestly I'm ambevelent about the move anyways

1. If you believe the Sixers are giving him 30 mil a year, why don’t other do that as well?
2. Do you really believe Masai takes two second round picks for Lowry, being afraid that’s the best he can get out of Lowry situation?

I believe he would take two seconds and Green yes.

It may also very well end up being the best offer are we all supposed to forget what these rfa trades are like every year's every team thinks they are getting the moon and they end up with a second or heavily protected first. Lowry is in a similar situation but is actually less desirable because he is overpaid and old as dirt.

I mean we will see I guess but if Toronto holds onto him they hold onto him that threat doesn't all of sudden make him more valuable to teams. He isn't a superstar that is going to change the fate of the team that they are going to empty a ton of future assets for intact he has a tendency to disappear in the playoffs for stretches

If Masai can find a team who is willing to part with a young asset and picks ill tip my cap to him I mean it certainly is possible who knows maybe he finds that someone but id rather that someone not be us and seeing guys like Noel get moved as rfas. Beasley. Wright. Others I am confident we can find impact players elsewhere like Ball or MarkKanen.

Being the best offer isnt enough to get the Raps to move him tho. Raps arent some bottom of the league team; theyre in the playoffs and fighting for HCA. If they trade him, theyre doing it to get future assets for a player who's not staying long term. Second rounders doesnt get them to move him

[bball4life]

I'd say before the Raptors got hot and were playing awful would have been the time to make the deal.

If Toronto continues to be frisky and is well inside the playoff top 8 by the trade deadline the price will be high. If one of the Brooklyn three or Sixer's two get hurt, the price will be exorbitant.

The chances they fall out of contention without a significant injury is almost zero as they are a better team than a lot of the current playoff pretenders. So I don't think they will give him away. In fact, they may become buyers at the deadline to add to their team.

Now if Vanvleet or Powell or Boucher gets hurt and they go in the tank, then all the leverage moves to the Sixers.

All that being said, I still think he's a really good fit with this team. He can actually run an offense, drive and dish, play defense and make a 3 point shot.

[Negrodamus]

Sixers:
Terrence Ross
Magic pick swap option 2021 1st round pick

Magic:
Shake Milton
9M expiring (poirier, ferguson and bradley)
2021 2nd round pick

Sixers:
Microwave scorer in Ross, helps us this season
Preparing to make noise in the offseason.

Magic:
Cap relief.
Milton continues their magic tradition of mediocrity.

So, remove the remaining playable distributor on the team?

[youngcrev]

Sixers:
Terrence Ross
Magic pick swap option 2021 1st round pick

Magic:
Shake Milton
9M expiring (poirier, ferguson and bradley)
2021 2nd round pick

Sixers:
Microwave scorer in Ross, helps us this season
Preparing to make noise in the offseason.

Magic:
Cap relief.
Milton continues their magic tradition of mediocrity.

You're obsessed with giving Shake away

[51X3RF4N]

I really believe DM is looking for role players more than another star.

I don't know if this team can handle another star in place of Danny in the lineup. Danny is a pretty good role player. He doesn't demand the ball, hog the ball, dribble the ball. He catches and shoots, gets to his spots, and plays defense while communicating well on the floor. You want less Danny Green mistakes? Then Doc, Tobias, Joel and Ben need to make sure Danny isn't in a position to make a mistake. They are the stars. Its their job to come to the ball and not force the role player to do something outside of his skill set.

If it were me, I'd look at smaller, longer term contracts for role players.

Cedi Osman
Maxi Kleber
George Hill

If you can add these 3 to the top 6 guys, you have one hell of a playoff rotation. Use TPE on Kleber, send out future picks. Use expirings and picks for the other 2 guys.

I'd start Cedi over Danny.

Embiid/Howard
Harris/Kleber
Osman/Green
Curry/Milton
Simmons/Hill

With Maxey/Joe/Thybulle/Reed on the deep bench.

Then you put Reed behind Emhiid when Howard is gone, and he plays next to Kleber as a rim protector who is more mobile.

And you insert Thybulle for Green next year.

This gives you a solid 10 man playoff roster for matchup depth, and a solid 12 guys under contract next season.

How do you get there? Hill for Bradley, Scott and picks. Kleber for TPE and picks. Osman for Ferguson, Korkmaz, Poirier and picks.

Now, would you deplete the majority of your 2nd round picks in the process? Yes. Would you have to give potentially 2 protected 1sts? Yes.

But, is it worth it to have more role players who can shoot the ball building longer term chemistry with your stars? I think so.

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[elchengue20]

Depth is a little overated in the Playoffs. It all comes down to your 2 or 3 stars and 3 or 4 good role players. Then having a good system who suits them, wich obviously demands compatible skillsets between your players.

Obviously is better to have a good deep 10 man rotation just in case, and to adjust to matchups or injuries, but to me it isn't the key to winning championships.

We need a real perimeter scoring and playmaking threat, that's really what we are lacking right now.

[Negrodamus]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Morey is going to trade Maxey by the deadline. For who, I don't know. But I feel like Morey wants to "land the plane" and we are currently at our best right now. Creating a 4 "star" team with Ben, Joel, and Tobias playing better than any other point in their career feels like a no-brainer move for Morey.

I'm sticking with DeRozan as his target, but I could see a wildcard as we enter March.

[Sportfan73]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Morey is going to trade Maxey by the deadline. For who, I don't know. But I feel like Morey wants to "land the plane" and we are currently at our best right now. Creating a 4 "star" team with Ben, Joel, and Tobias playing better than any other point in their career feels like a no-brainer move for Morey.

I'm sticking with DeRozan as his target, but I could see a wildcard as we enter March.

I completely agree. Been feeling this way, another one I could see is CJ if we get a third team involved. If Portland got all expirings they would have a **** load of cap room