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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#281 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:59 am

Jedzz wrote:
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Jedzz wrote:If say the team plans on keeping Rubio longterm, does adding a Sabonis type sound like a plan?


I like a Vuc type a little more. The distance shooting compliments KAT so well, (not to mention the inverted floor plan that Finch wants to run.) that it makes up for the slightly inferior rebounding and defense. That said, we need to recognize that Naz is also a PF and get a backup center as well. I actually really like the the idea of making MCD a 3 and Layman a 3 and playing larger. The issue with that becomes rotations. If Dlo and Rubio or Dlo and JMAC are your PGs, then Beasley and ANT become your 2s and guys like Culver, Nowell, Okogie, and Vando are all out of the rotation. If they were vets that wouldn’t be an issue, but being so young, the lack of minutes would not only make them want to leave, (they need to show their stuff to get there next contracts here or elsewhere,) it would also damage their development.


Playing from the bench while young isn't an automatic detriment to young players. I actually think it's the right place for most young players to play off bench for a couple years. There are exceptions with players that are so completely ready in their head and game IQ that unless you have a decent option starting already then it might not hurt. But it's certainly not even close to half the players getting drafted each year, even second yr players. In my opinion someone like Jaden McDaniels should have seen starts before someone like Edwards. But that's just me based on who they are and based on the roster around them. Players can develop just fine from consistent bench roles and likely should. When starting the starting opponents just aren't going to often allow young players to work on specific things like they should be. To much reacting occurs.

I wouldn't mind Vuc either and I also think Reid could be the PF here. I saw Vando not get down the court in time a few games back and I know big man Reid could. Reid is often showing that speed you don't expect and two to three times a game he's making consecutive plays on both ends in the spans of seconds. People have always talked as if he was some overweight slow player that has to play center but it would be good to see him play with Kat for a stretch of games just to see what happens.


Especially with his inside game. A lot of fours stretch the floor, but few can do that and play inside like a center at 6’9. I actually think defense will come easier to him when he playing against people who don’t have so much height and weight advantage against him. I also agree with you there is a misconception about his speed, but it is hard to call him fat. He really worked on his body this offseason and the dude is in solid shape, he is just too small to play legit center.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#282 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:15 am

Would you trade Russell for Porzingis?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#283 » by Norseman79 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:28 am

Klomp wrote:Would you trade Russell for Porzingis?


Straight up?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#284 » by Jedzz » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:28 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Klomp wrote:Would you trade Russell for Porzingis?


Straight up?


Still no for me in anyway. He would play less here than Russell has if that's possible. You know it right?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#285 » by SmokeyPaw » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:50 am

Klomp wrote:Would you trade Russell for Porzingis?


I'd lean no. I believe they've been playing him at the 5 due to mobility issues. Porzingis has had injuries to borh knees and apparently now has back issues. If you believed he could move back to the 4 defensively then yes. But that's not what we're seeing now.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#286 » by shrink » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:02 am

I think it’s highly unlikely that Russell gets traded. Rosas made a huge bet on him, he will likely have only played 5 games next to Towns by the deadline, and the reason people always say, “Towns wants him here.”

Dane Moore noted last week that Towns really liked Ryan Saunders too, and his remarks the day before Ryan was fired could be construed as going to bat for him (though KAT later said he hadn’t heard this was coming). Nobody really knows the exact relationship DLo and KAT have, but Moore noted that if KAT couldn’t save Saunders, is a DLo trade unthinkable?

(It is to me, so far)
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#287 » by shrink » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:09 am

Because of my feelings about Russell being a fixture here, I think it is quite likely Rubio gets dealt at the deadline. It makes me sad, since he is my #2 favorite Wolf of all-time, but the Rubio-DLo pairing hasn’t worked, and ..
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I think there is a very good chance Ricky gets traded at the deadline to a team with playoff ambitions (so, like one of 25 teams - way to go out on a limb there, shrink!) to a team who has lost their starting PG through injuries or a young guy that needs more time. Fit is always an issue too, since Ricky isn’t a great three point shooter or finisher, but despite that, the rest of his game is so good that it will help a team get wins.


I don’t think he will bring back much. $19 mil is a lot of money next year, and most of the value Rosas gets back would be the cap savings that an expiring would bring. However, for a playoff team that needs a starter, getting Rubio for the playoffs for two seasons may make him worth the money there. Hopefully a deal includes a second or a prospect.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#288 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:20 am

shrink wrote:Because of my feelings about Russell being a fixture here, I think it is quite likely Rubio gets dealt at the deadline. It makes me sad, since he is my #2 favorite Wolf of all-time, but the Rubio-DLo pairing hasn’t worked, and ..
shrink wrote: If you look at advanced stats over his career, Ricky makes teams better. I think he helped Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker take leaps closer to stardom. I believe he is a top 30 PG in his play, but he isn’t always a starter because so many teams have committed money or draft capital to lesser players to be their starting PG.

I think there is a very good chance Ricky gets traded at the deadline to a team with playoff ambitions (so, like one of 25 teams - way to go out on a limb there, shrink!) to a team who has lost their starting PG through injuries or a young guy that needs more time. Fit is always an issue too, since Ricky isn’t a great three point shooter or finisher, but despite that, the rest of his game is so good that it will help a team get wins.


I don’t think he will bring back much. $19 mil is a lot of money next year, and most of the value Rosas gets back would be the cap savings that an expiring would bring. However, for a playoff team that needs a starter, getting Rubio for the playoffs for two seasons may make him worth the money there. Hopefully a deal includes a second or a prospect.


I think Boston’s first is doable. Maybe toss in a Juancho to save salary. In the alternative, we could try and get them to give us Pritchard and a second. They won’t want to, but if they are desperate enough to win now to keep their jobs they might make a desperation move.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#289 » by Wolveswin » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:23 am

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Norseman79 wrote:Towns will not be traded before end of season, sorry. The soonest they should consider it is after the lottery is set. Then, honestly, he goes to the highest combo of picks and prospects. If we keep our 1rst, then have the ability to shift Towns do another top pick, plus a boatload of others, that is how you attempt a quick rebuild and finding a core.

That said, none of it matters until we get a new owner. I almost tire of talking about it, because it is a culture thing.

So is this The Godfather offer in own Wolves reality world, fans think this is only chance Wolves would trade Towns (after lotto):

Towns + Beasley + Hernangomez
FOR
Horford
Pokusevski
#2 Overall (Thunder)
#5 Overall (Rockets)
#21 Overall (Warriors)
2022 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2022 Suns 1st (1-12 protected)
2023 Thunder 1st (unprotected)
2023 Nuggets 1st (1-14 protected)
2023 Heat 1st (1-14 protected)
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected)

Wolves land #1 overall.

Mobley (#2) | Reid | Horford
Pokus or McDaniels or Vanderbilt
Johnson (#5) | Culver | Layman
Edwards | Okogie | Nowell
Cunningham (#1) | Russell | Rubio


So the Wolves get the 1, 2, 5...plus all of those future picks you listed for Towns, Beasley and Juancho?? I mean, I am trading up for Suggs from the 5. It also means shipping Russell out as why would he stay, perhaps for a young big like Bamba etc.

Suggs, Rubio,
Edwards, Nowell, Okoge
Cunningham, McDaniels, Culver
Mobley, Pokus, Vanderbilt
????, Reid, Horford

I mean, they would lose games, but with the right coach and an offseason, they could win more than you think. Suggs and Cunningham are plug and play starters from day one, Mobley may be as well. They are two way players, that can shoot, handle and play on or off ball. I would def try to add a beefy 5 type for size as Mobley needs time to fill out, but has athleticism to play 4. Maybe Horford can start at the five unless they find an upgrade via trade.

Easy offer to accept in that scenario

Easy offer to accept as Wolves fan because easily an offer Presti won’t make. The point is, no team is paying a “godfather offer” for Towns that will make a Wolves fan say “easy yes.”

So don’t trade em! Don’t trade Towns is a reasonable rebuttal. Fair statement. We will see how that plays out. If he doesn’t get traded, what does the owed 1st become? #4 2021 or worse 2022. What does his value become in subsequent years? Closer to Cousins or do Wolves get lucky he is demanded by a acquiring aging superstar who overpays? What might his value be when he demands a trade?

The idea of trading Towns might be unrealistic to some/most, but the idea he receives some kind of “godfather offer” even 1/2 of listed above is even more unrealistic.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#290 » by Norseman79 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:01 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
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Wolveswin wrote:So is this The Godfather offer in own Wolves reality world, fans think this is only chance Wolves would trade Towns (after lotto):

Towns + Beasley + Hernangomez
FOR
Horford
Pokusevski
#2 Overall (Thunder)
#5 Overall (Rockets)
#21 Overall (Warriors)
2022 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2022 Suns 1st (1-12 protected)
2023 Thunder 1st (unprotected)
2023 Nuggets 1st (1-14 protected)
2023 Heat 1st (1-14 protected)
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected)

Wolves land #1 overall.

Mobley (#2) | Reid | Horford
Pokus or McDaniels or Vanderbilt
Johnson (#5) | Culver | Layman
Edwards | Okogie | Nowell
Cunningham (#1) | Russell | Rubio


So the Wolves get the 1, 2, 5...plus all of those future picks you listed for Towns, Beasley and Juancho?? I mean, I am trading up for Suggs from the 5. It also means shipping Russell out as why would he stay, perhaps for a young big like Bamba etc.

Suggs, Rubio,
Edwards, Nowell, Okoge
Cunningham, McDaniels, Culver
Mobley, Pokus, Vanderbilt
????, Reid, Horford

I mean, they would lose games, but with the right coach and an offseason, they could win more than you think. Suggs and Cunningham are plug and play starters from day one, Mobley may be as well. They are two way players, that can shoot, handle and play on or off ball. I would def try to add a beefy 5 type for size as Mobley needs time to fill out, but has athleticism to play 4. Maybe Horford can start at the five unless they find an upgrade via trade.

Easy offer to accept in that scenario

Easy offer to accept as Wolves fan because easily an offer Presti won’t make. The point is, no team is paying a “godfather offer” for Towns that will make a Wolves fan say “easy yes.”

So don’t trade em! Don’t trade Towns is a reasonable rebuttal. Fair statement. We will see how that plays out. If he doesn’t get traded, what does the owed 1st become? #4 2021 or worse 2022. What does his value become in subsequent years? Closer to Cousins or do Wolves get lucky he is demanded by a acquiring aging superstar who overpays? What might his value be when he demands a trade?

The idea of trading Towns might be unrealistic to some/most, but the idea he receives some kind of “godfather offer” even 1/2 of listed above is even more unrealistic.


Maybe....maybe not. Look what teams have given up for an older, less impactful Paul George, or an oft injured and majorly spendy Kristaps Porzingis.

So, yes, the trade you proposed was unrealistic, but you didn't ask if it was realistic, you asked if it was the type of trade wolves fans expect. I certainly wouldn't do it for Wiseman and our first back before I even know if we keep it anyway.

Now lastly, before you send another GSW trade idea to really drive home your point, just remember, it's your opinion man, sing it from the mountain tops if you want, doesn't mean people will agree and just because people don't agree doesn't mean you should stop sharing it.

You hang in there...maybe it will happen!! Gotta have hope right?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#291 » by Wolveswin » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:26 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
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Norseman79 wrote:
So the Wolves get the 1, 2, 5...plus all of those future picks you listed for Towns, Beasley and Juancho?? I mean, I am trading up for Suggs from the 5. It also means shipping Russell out as why would he stay, perhaps for a young big like Bamba etc.

Suggs, Rubio,
Edwards, Nowell, Okoge
Cunningham, McDaniels, Culver
Mobley, Pokus, Vanderbilt
????, Reid, Horford

I mean, they would lose games, but with the right coach and an offseason, they could win more than you think. Suggs and Cunningham are plug and play starters from day one, Mobley may be as well. They are two way players, that can shoot, handle and play on or off ball. I would def try to add a beefy 5 type for size as Mobley needs time to fill out, but has athleticism to play 4. Maybe Horford can start at the five unless they find an upgrade via trade.

Easy offer to accept in that scenario

Easy offer to accept as Wolves fan because easily an offer Presti won’t make. The point is, no team is paying a “godfather offer” for Towns that will make a Wolves fan say “easy yes.”

So don’t trade em! Don’t trade Towns is a reasonable rebuttal. Fair statement. We will see how that plays out. If he doesn’t get traded, what does the owed 1st become? #4 2021 or worse 2022. What does his value become in subsequent years? Closer to Cousins or do Wolves get lucky he is demanded by a acquiring aging superstar who overpays? What might his value be when he demands a trade?

The idea of trading Towns might be unrealistic to some/most, but the idea he receives some kind of “godfather offer” even 1/2 of listed above is even more unrealistic.


Maybe....maybe not. Look what teams have given up for an older, less impactful Paul George, or an oft injured and majorly spendy Kristaps Porzingis.

So, yes, the trade you proposed was unrealistic, but you didn't ask if it was realistic, you asked if it was the type of trade wolves fans expect. I certainly wouldn't do it for Wiseman and our first back before I even know if we keep it anyway.

Now lastly, before you send another GSW trade idea to really drive home your point, just remember, it's your opinion man, sing it from the mountain tops if you want, doesn't mean people will agree and just because people don't agree doesn't mean you should stop sharing it.

You hang in there...maybe it will happen!! Gotta have hope right?

Actually I don’t want to rely on HOPE— too many here see hope and prayers keeping that owed 1st as an actual plan. It seems many don’t realize if Wolves get 40% lucky and “keep” (as you say) their 1st in 2021 it still is owed and becomes unprotected 2022. I don’t see a plan being hope. If Wolves don’t trade Towns at deadline (to anyone), all they have is hope.

How poor of a position will this franchise be in to complete the terrible train wreck season that is 2021 AND gift Warriors #4? That would regulate Wolves to having no resources to make significant change from a team finishing bottom 3 (who has worst record in NBA as we speak) and run back a bottom feeder team with minor tweaks. That could be a 3+ year nail in the coffin franchise killer.

If Wolves get 40% lucky and keep their pick, that is a lotto luck bullet dodging moment. And many here have their hopes and prayers come true. But if the 2022 season turns bad, and despite owing their 1st and not wanting to suck in 2021 just the same, they can be in a worse spot come 2022. Now trading Towns to Warriors for their own 1st back is nearly off the table in 2022 — and most likely only viable with a salary filler named Wiggins.

My soapbox position is for Wolves to piss on the hope plan and actually have a plan. Yes, it costs Towns. Yes, it starts a rebuild — should be a fast rebuild due to the quality of assets returned for someone with the value of Towns. And because Towns has such value, Wolves can avoid hope, lotto luck bullet dodging, franchise suicide and actually start the franchise in a exciting direction (with the young roster Wolves would have after trading Towns).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#292 » by Baseline81 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:54 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Actually I don’t want to rely on HOPE— too many here see hope and prayers keeping that owed 1st as an actual plan. It seems many don’t realize if Wolves get 40% lucky and “keep” (as you say) their 1st in 2021 it still is owed and becomes unprotected 2022. I don’t see a plan being hope. If Wolves don’t trade Towns at deadline (to anyone), all they have is hope.

How poor of a position will this franchise be in to complete the terrible train wreck season that is 2021 AND gift Warriors #4? That would regulate Wolves to having no resources to make significant change from a team finishing bottom 3 (who has worst record in NBA as we speak) and run back a bottom feeder team with minor tweaks. That could be a 3+ year nail in the coffin franchise killer.

If Wolves get 40% lucky and keep their pick, that is a lotto luck bullet dodging moment. And many here have their hopes and prayers come true. But if the 2022 season turns bad, and despite owing their 1st and not wanting to suck in 2021 just the same, they can be in a worse spot come 2022. Now trading Towns to Warriors for their own 1st back is nearly off the table in 2022 — and most likely only viable with a salary filler named Wiggins.

My soapbox position is for Wolves to piss on the hope plan and actually have a plan. Yes, it costs Towns. Yes, it starts a rebuild — should be a fast rebuild due to the quality of assets returned for someone with the value of Towns. And because Towns has such value, Wolves can avoid hope, lotto luck bullet dodging, franchise suicide and actually start the franchise in a exciting direction (with the young roster Wolves would have after trading Towns).

A couple of things regarding the owned pick transferring to 2022:

1.) Maybe I am more optimistic than most, but it's hard to envision a year like this year happening a second time -- in terms of the length of injuries, suspensions and COVID-19/health and safety protocol. Combine that with a competent coach, I don't see the Wolves remaining a bottom feeder.

2.) All we heard leading up to the 2020 draft was how this upcoming class was better at the top. By keeping the pick, the Wolves would be adding one of Cunningham, Mobley, Kuminga and Suggs (top-4 on most draft sites). Each would upgrade the bench, possibly even the starters.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#293 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:29 pm

Baseline81 wrote:A couple of things regarding the owned pick transferring to 2022:

1.) Maybe I am more optimistic than most, but it's hard to envision a year like this year happening a second time -- in terms of the length of injuries, suspensions and COVID-19/health and safety protocol. Combine that with a competent coach, I don't see the Wolves remaining a bottom feeder.

2.) All we heard leading up to the 2020 draft was how this upcoming class was better at the top. By keeping the pick, the Wolves would be adding one of Cunningham, Mobley, Kuminga and Suggs (top-4 on most draft sites). Each would upgrade the bench, possibly even the starters.

I would also add that people now are saying the depth outside of the Top 3-5 in 2021 isn't that great. Big drop-off. If we lose the pick this year, it might not be as tragic as we think.

Everyone lamented the Cassell trade for years in large part because of the 1st round pick we gave up. It was later seen as maybe the biggest prize in the return haul in the Chris Paul trade. Does anyone remember who the pick ended up being?

Spoiler:
Austin Rivers
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#294 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:11 pm

Brooklyn has a $5.7 million disabled player exception (created with the injury to Dinwiddie) available to acquire a player who is in the last year of his contract. The exception cannot be split and will expire after it is used once. The exception cannot be combined with another player on the Nets' roster to trade for a player with a higher salary (for example, pairing Landry Shamet with the exception to create room for someone making $7.7 million). It will also extinguish if Dinwiddie is traded from now until the March 25 deadline.

To use the exception, the Nets would likely have to attach one of the many second-round picks they possess. Brooklyn has picks from the Hawks and Suns in 2021, the Pacers in 2023 and the Warriors in 2025 in addition to its own second-round picks in 2022, 2024, 2026 and 2027.

Because there is a lack of big men on the roster, some names to keep an eye include Khem Birch (Orlando), JaVale McGee (Cleveland), Ed Davis (Minnesota), Mike Muscala (Oklahoma City) and Hassan Whiteside (Sacramento).


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30945851/what-hearing-all-30-teams-ahead-2021-nba-trade-deadline

Davis also mentioned in the article as possible name for Lakers (buyout market).

Seeing Davis dealt for a second round pick would not shock me. Sometimes, the simplest trades are the most likely trades.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

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Post#296 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:36 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933608-windhorst-magics-aaron-gordon-evan-fournier-could-be-available-in-trades

Dlo
Edwards
Fournier
Gordon
Towns

Everyone wants Gordon, but I've wondered about Fournier as a target for a while. I don't know how you work a trade for both guys though, but I definitely see Orlando as a realistic Rubio destination (there aren't many in my mind).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#297 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:41 pm

Klomp wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933608-windhorst-magics-aaron-gordon-evan-fournier-could-be-available-in-trades

Dlo
Edwards
Fournier
Gordon
Towns

Everyone wants Gordon, but I've wondered about Fournier as a target for a while. I don't know how you work a trade for both guys though, but I definitely see Orlando as a realistic Rubio destination (there aren't many in my mind).


I don’t see us giving up Beasley to make this happen. He is too valuable in terms of both contract and shooting percentage. Given the offers they are going to be getting and our lack of draft capital I just don’t see it.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#298 » by IceManBK1 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:50 pm

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933608-windhorst-magics-aaron-gordon-evan-fournier-could-be-available-in-trades

Dlo
Edwards
Fournier
Gordon
Towns

Everyone wants Gordon, but I've wondered about Fournier as a target for a while. I don't know how you work a trade for both guys though, but I definitely see Orlando as a realistic Rubio destination (there aren't many in my mind).


I don’t see us giving up Beasley to make this happen. He is too valuable in terms of both contract and shooting percentage. Given the offers they are going to be getting and our lack of draft capital I just don’t see it.


Any combo of Rubio, Beasley, Culver, Huancho etc.

We would have a lot of firepower in the starting lineup. Just make sure you leave 2-3 starters with the bench at all times.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#299 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:50 pm

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933608-windhorst-magics-aaron-gordon-evan-fournier-could-be-available-in-trades

Dlo
Edwards
Fournier
Gordon
Towns

Everyone wants Gordon, but I've wondered about Fournier as a target for a while. I don't know how you work a trade for both guys though, but I definitely see Orlando as a realistic Rubio destination (there aren't many in my mind).


I don’t see us giving up Beasley to make this happen. He is too valuable in terms of both contract and shooting percentage. Given the offers they are going to be getting and our lack of draft capital I just don’t see it.

Yeah, I think Beasley would be requested in a Gordon deal which would give me pause, but I could see a Rubio for Fournier swap discussed.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#300 » by shrink » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:02 pm

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933608-windhorst-magics-aaron-gordon-evan-fournier-could-be-available-in-trades

Dlo
Edwards
Fournier
Gordon
Towns

Everyone wants Gordon, but I've wondered about Fournier as a target for a while. I don't know how you work a trade for both guys though, but I definitely see Orlando as a realistic Rubio destination (there aren't many in my mind).


I don’t see us giving up Beasley to make this happen. He is too valuable in terms of both contract and shooting percentage. Given the offers they are going to be getting and our lack of draft capital I just don’t see it.

More good stuff.

You guys know how I feel about paying too much for Gordon, but he would be a decent addition here. But Klomp is right about Fournier. He often gets overlooked, playing in ORL with only above average skills, on a fair contract, but he’s a 37.5% three point shooter, who’s averaged over 18 PPG the last two years. The importance of three point shooting is obviously to spread the floor, and Fournier, like Beasley, needs to be covered. We make a big deal about the difference between a good three point shooter at 37.5% and a 40% shooter, only because its a benchmark. If they are both taking 5 3PA per game, that’s only one extra three pointer every eight games.

Said another way, Aaron Gordon is shooting about 37% this year (about 5% higher than his career average). A 32% shooting Gordon doesn’t get guarded hard out to the perimeter, and teams want him taking that shot. Defenders then slide down, and make it harder on the other four players. If AG can keep shooting 37% (hard to tell on small samples), he will draw defenders, and maintain that space underneath that is so important to maximize Towns. He is much more valuable if that is truly now a legitimate weapon.

Beasley is more valuable than either, not just that he is a very good player, but his contract turned out very good, and it runs 4 years. Still, he is a tough player to,pair defensively with DLo and Towns. If Beasley was the value-driver to get both players .. maybe we need to include a bit more .. I ‘d do that. Gordon and Fournier would both be big upgrades at our forward spots, and they’d provide stability to help the youngsters learn. We’d eventually have to renew their contracts (which keeps their trade value affordable), but we would instantly have a competitive team after that deal.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.

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