Boston ain't right -- How to fix?

[Wolveswin]

Best deal for all parties...

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2021 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
FOR
Brown + Theis

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman + Walker + Oubre + 2021 Wolves 1st (returned) + 2021 Wolves 2nd (most likely) + 2021 Celtics 1st

[StreakyJ]

Ok so for all the Kemba-to-New-Orleans post people:
Can you remember the last time you saw Kemba throw an oop? Exactlyyyyy. He ain't no Zion PG. He is a KAT PG. Send him to Minnesota. Because, yes, the D'Angelo/KAT union is a flop and the Rubio reunion is a flop. Minnesota has cards to play and they are a small market they'll take a still borderline premier talent in Kemba because who else honestly is running to Minnesota? Kemba on a good day at $35M is better than the crappy Minnesota version of Russell/Rubio at $45M. May as well trade KLove back there if you can actually stand watching Minnesota and Boston underperform any longer ... ...

Rubio (to Boston for Kemba) could potentially be flipped with a 1st round pick for Rozier. Rubio plays designated backup and mentor to LaMelo. Charlotte uses the pick to draft a modern 5 to replace the Zeller era. That's where things could get fun again in Boston. Think Rozier/Smart/Tatum/Brown/Drummond playoff line up, who the F wants to roll the dice against 3 fearless 1-on-1 finishers, a 20/20 paint beast, and a defensive cyclops. If Tatum/Brown are going to be broken up soon to build around one or the other, atleast go out with a bang.

[Mr Loggins]

I’d rather have Russel then Kemba....

[doctor him]

You'd think so... but is it worth doing?

East is so down. Even with the struggles and the roster issues, a 2nd round appearance doesn't feel that far away to me.

Who in the "top 4" are the Celtics beating to get to that 2nd round appearance?

They have NO shot against the Sixers, Nets or Bucks in a series. Especially once they get their playoff reinforcements via trade/buyout.

And the Pacers/Raptors (that's IF they Celts can make it up to 5 which I don't see happening) are 2 squads that work so hard that I don't like the Celts beyond a remote 10% chance.

It's a long season and I still think they make the playoffs as a 6/7 seed, but I have the Celts chances of missing the playoffs much higher than making the 2nd round.

They'll be fine long term (2-3 years) but until Tatum/Brown mature into actual stars and they digest the Kemba contract, they're not going anywhere.

It's amazing how quickly a guy can go from a "good signing" to an "albatross contract" in the league. I think Kemba will be better than 37% from the floor, but he's a guy that teams hunt in the PnR relentlessly.

[cl2117]

You'd think so... but is it worth doing?

East is so down. Even with the struggles and the roster issues, a 2nd round appearance doesn't feel that far away to me.

Who in the "top 4" are the Celtics beating to get to that 2nd round appearance?

They have NO shot against the Sixers, Nets or Bucks in a series. Especially once they get their playoff reinforcements via trade/buyout.

And the Pacers/Raptors (that's IF they Celts can make it up to 5 which I don't see happening) are 2 squads that work so hard that I don't like the Celts beyond a remote 10% chance.

It's a long season and I still think they make the playoffs as a 6/7 seed, but I have the Celts chances of missing the playoffs much higher than making the 2nd round.

They'll be fine long term (2-3 years) but until Tatum/Brown mature into actual stars and they digest the Kemba contract, they're not going anywhere.

It's amazing how quickly a guy can go from a "good signing" to an "albatross contract" in the league. I think Kemba will be better than 37% from the floor, but he's a guy that teams hunt in the PnR relentlessly.

They're only 2 losses back from the Pacers for the 4th seed after a truly terrible run. It's not like they're in the basement. Think they have a good chance of being 4th/5th seed if healthy. And I like them over the Pacers and Raptors in a series.

[doctor him]

They're only 2 losses back from the Pacers for the 4th seed after a truly terrible run. It's not like they're in the basement. Think they have a good chance of being 4th/5th seed if healthy. And I like them over the Pacers and Raptors in a series.

To each their own.

They look like a 6th seed to me.

And I really don't like them against the Raptors. That 10% chance in my mind applies more to the Pacers, but I'd still heavily favor Indiana in a series too. I think Sabonis goes wild in a series.

Finally, you're seriously discounting the Heat to get into that 4th seed as well. I don't like the Celts even a little bit vs. the Heat in a series either.

[Texas Chuck]

Some real absolutes there mate. I'm never going to get behind those. It's hard to even really try to reply against this level of hyperbole. 0% or 10% just aren't real things in this context here.

[cl2117]

They're only 2 losses back from the Pacers for the 4th seed after a truly terrible run. It's not like they're in the basement. Think they have a good chance of being 4th/5th seed if healthy. And I like them over the Pacers and Raptors in a series.

To each their own.

They look like a 6th seed to me.

And I really don't like them against the Raptors. That 10% chance in my mind applies more to the Pacers, but I'd still heavily favor Indiana in a series too. I think Sabonis goes wild in a series.

Finally, you're seriously discounting the Heat to get into that 4th seed as well. I don't like the Celts even a little bit vs. the Heat in a series either.

I don't like them either right now

But their playoff starting 5 has only played 3 games together so far. Won't play another until after all-star break. Think we'll see what they are once they've got that group back together. If healthy I'd still take them over anyone outside the top 3 in the East (not by a large amount, just if I had to put my money on one).

[doctor him]

Some real absolutes there mate. I'm never going to get behind those. It's hard to even really try to reply against this level of hyperbole. 0% or 10% just aren't real things in this context here.

Point is that I have the Celtics as a heavy underdog in a series vs the Sixers, Nets, Bucks or Heat who I have as my (current top 4). I have them as a clear underdog vs the Raptors and slightly less of an underdog vs the Pacers.

I don't see a realistic path for them to see the 2nd round even IF they start to play better unless they start sharing the ball and Tatum/Brown starting making the other guys on that roster (which seems thinner than I thought it was) a whole lot better.

I just don't see any way to "fix" this team for this season.

But again...as a Sixer fan I surely hope they expend capital for the future in an effort to try to make a (futile) playoff push.

Only the top 4 in the East have a realistic shot to get to the Finals and out West I think it's really only the Jazz, Lakers and Clips with a realistic chance.

Just my opinion.

[MagicBagley18]

You'd think so... but is it worth doing?

East is so down. Even with the struggles and the roster issues, a 2nd round appearance doesn't feel that far away to me.

Who in the "top 4" are the Celtics beating to get to that 2nd round appearance?

They have NO shot against the Sixers, Nets or Bucks in a series. Especially once they get their playoff reinforcements via trade/buyout.

And the Pacers/Raptors (that's IF they Celts can make it up to 5 which I don't see happening) are 2 squads that work so hard that I don't like the Celts beyond a remote 10% chance.

It's a long season and I still think they make the playoffs as a 6/7 seed, but I have the Celts chances of missing the playoffs much higher than making the 2nd round.

They'll be fine long term (2-3 years) but until Tatum/Brown mature into actual stars and they digest the Kemba contract, they're not going anywhere.

It's amazing how quickly a guy can go from a "good signing" to an "albatross contract" in the league. I think Kemba will be better than 37% from the floor, but he's a guy that teams hunt in the PnR relentlessly.

If I had a dollar every time I’ve heard we had no shot against the sixers in the playoffs lol

[Fencer reregistered]

Best deal for all parties...

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2021 1st (21-30 protected) or 2021 Wolves 2nd
FOR
Brown + Theis

Celtics:
Brown + Walker + Theis + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)
FOR
Towns + Russell + Beasley (via TPE)

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Beasley
FOR
Wiseman + Walker + Oubre + 2021 Wolves 1st (returned) + 2021 Wolves 2nd (most likely) + 2021 Celtics 1st

That's better than most KAT/Brown ideas I've seen talent-wise. But it's a massive downgrade for Boston in presumed character/mindset.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Celtics need Brad Wanamaker back.

[StreakyJ]

Hey TEXAS CHUCK MODERATOR ... why don't you give me a chance to respond before you lock a post if you're accusing me of trolling KAT. Seems a bit elitist on your part.

Making a pretty simple point that, in terms of WINNING mattering to a player's value or labeled ELITE in terms of trade value, which seems ALOT of people are on the bandwagon, assessing KAT primarily on his numbers produces a skewed/inflated value.

Common-sense intangibles, folks. Champion-caliber killer-instinct players do not idly sit in last place and not making the playoffs for basically a decade as the best player on the team. Ever seen KAT truly, visibly frustrated with for losing? Neither have I.

Small markets players hide their flaws better with less mainstream media coverage and a more abundant "We Love You Unconditionally" community fan-base. In contrast, there's a reason famed MSG is the Garden. Kemba got a taste of that reality check in Boston with a WIN NOW culture more intensely scrutinizing inefficiencies in his game (to be fair, he is a max level player). Not a crazy assumption that KAT gets the same reality check in a larger market. Or did Giannis unflashingly back him down in a routine post and dunk on his head while KAT straight buckled. Is Giannis a troll then?

Can't hide forever.

KAT/Giannis each given the keys to a franchise. You tell me the difference on how each carries himself with regard to the effect on actually winning basketball games. Because Jimmy Buckets called it 2 years ago, and if you don't understand the significance of that, you already missed the boat because who's deep in the playoffs and who isn't. Who's ELITE. Because Jimmy Buckets numbers are no where near KAT's. Who led his team to the Finals ... ...

DUHHHH .. enough with the INFLATED KAT trade proposals, he's a solid player, not ELITE. ELITE requires WINNING. I'm not impressed with your number crunching assessment if you can't understand that basic concept. James Dolan is a terrible owner for a reason very similar to your KAT proposals. I hear his band is REALLY GREAT though ... ...

Aloha.

[Elnegron]

The only player that could have taken celtics to the finals got traded to Phoenix. Celtics lack an experience floor general. Tatum is nothing more than a shooter. Give me the ball bing bam boom. Walker is hit or miss and brown is the most complete player out of the 3 but not enough to have the offense manage by him ala bam Adebayo

[DroseReturnChi]

I would try to ask for Hali as crazy as it sounds. Maybe offer everything except the duo and see if Kings bite.
Even offering Brown for Hali and picks would be entertaining since Hali is a much better fit to Tatum as a lead playmaker.

Big contract wise, would try to gamble kemba for KP. 2 elite wing and elite center can you win a ring.
Ainge needs to do something to fix a sinking ship.

[Fencer reregistered]

I think the Celtics could use some health and time.

Tatum is playing exhausted (COVID recovery).
Brown is playing hurt (knee) and exhausted.
Walker is getting his head on straight from previously being hurt.
Smart is entirely out.
Williams, one of the most underrated centers in the league, is on a minutes restriction.

Theis is the only one of the team's six best players who's actually OK.

Also, outside of Thompson, everybody who matters (including Theis and probably Smart too) is still developing.

[StreakyJ]

Kemba has looked better of late ... dare I say confident ... could it have been the injury? Time will tell in fairly short order.

If not they got a great window to ship him to Minnesota with Beasley out 20 games and Russell out 6 weeks. The walls are shrinking over there Danny. Hope you are showing us that patience is a virtue, especially if the above post is accurate, which it looks like dude knows what he is talking about.

Agreed if Theis gets better consistency on his 3pt% they are that much more dangerous, especially if Kemba picks back up. If they want to win, though, seriously Kemba gotta show he isn't taking a back seat to anyone out there. Or else is indecisive vibe is like a cancer. Pro athletes can smell fear and indecision like a can of tuna to sharks and they will make you pay for it. Ask Luke Kennard buried on the Clippers bench with his drag of a contract.

[Apz]

Big contract wise, would try to gamble kemba for KP. 2 elite wing and elite center can you win a ring.
Ainge needs to do something to fix a sinking ship.

Mavs wont take kemba tho. Either send smart or a 3rd team that want kemba is needed that got something intresting fof mavs.

Also, whoever said it. Winning cant be mentioned in same sentence as twolves. If netd anf twolves ssitched squafs, twolves somehow still would be a sub 20 win team. Its just a cursed franchise

[kuclas]

Unfortunately Ainge is in the mindset he has to “win” a trade. That’s the only reason Gordon Heyward is not in Indianapolis. I don’t know what Ainge in the sign and trade. But it obviously wasn’t to Indiana liking