If Minnesota keeps its pick.....

Timmyyy · Post #21 » by **Timmyyy** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:28 am

Baseline81 wrote:
Fischella wrote:Dude you have had multiple top7 picks since 2014 including 3 nº1 picks, what are you talking about with unluckyness

You realize the Wolves have had several lottery picks since then because they've been badly run and coached. Outside of Butler's first year with the team, they've been uncompetitive.

As Klomp stated, Minnesota has only had the first overall pick twice (Towns and Edwards). Cleveland selected Wiggins, later traded for Love.

League standings
2014-15: Worst (first overall pick - Towns)
2015-16: 5th worst (5th overall pick - Dunn)
2016-17: 6th worst (7th overall pick - Traded for Butler)
2017-18: Playoffs (20th overall pick - Okogie)
2018-19: 10th worst (11th overall pick - Traded for Culver)
2019-20: 3rd worst (first overall pick - Edwards)

It's still funny how someone can complain about being unlucky looking at this, arguing with 'never moved up until last year'. In fact you moved down two spots over these years and moved up two spots over that same span! Thats incredibly average for a team whose fans are claiming to be unlucky in the lottery.

No-Man · Post #22 » by **No-Man** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:03 am

Timmyyy wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:
Fischella wrote:Dude you have had multiple top7 picks since 2014 including 3 nº1 picks, what are you talking about with unluckyness

You realize the Wolves have had several lottery picks since then because they've been badly run and coached. Outside of Butler's first year with the team, they've been uncompetitive.

As Klomp stated, Minnesota has only had the first overall pick twice (Towns and Edwards). Cleveland selected Wiggins, later traded for Love.

League standings
2014-15: Worst (first overall pick - Towns)
2015-16: 5th worst (5th overall pick - Dunn)
2016-17: 6th worst (7th overall pick - Traded for Butler)
2017-18: Playoffs (20th overall pick - Okogie)
2018-19: 10th worst (11th overall pick - Traded for Culver)
2019-20: 3rd worst (first overall pick - Edwards)
It's still funny how someone can complain about being unlucky looking at this, arguing with 'never moved up until last year'. In fact you moved down two spots over these years and moved up two spots over that same span! Thats incredibly average for a team whose fans are claiming to be unlucky in the lottery.

He just doesn't understand odds

Baseline81 · Post #23 » by **Baseline81** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:22 pm

Timmyyy wrote:It's still funny how someone can complain about being unlucky looking at this, arguing with 'never moved up until last year'. In fact you moved down two spots over these years and moved up two spots over that same span! Thats incredibly average for a team whose fans are claiming to be unlucky in the lottery.

Please see this link for the full "luck" Minnesota has had in the lottery.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Minnesota-Timberwolves/17/Lottery-History

In total, the Wolves have moved down 12 times (17 spots) compared to moving up only once (2 spots).

Pekovic_MIP21 · Post #24 » by **Pekovic_MIP21** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:38 pm

Klomp wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Klomp wrote:Minnesota is an interesting franchise. National onlookers see a dumpster fire. Local diehards see that too, but also arguably the unluckiest franchise ever. This is the team that fell from 1 to 3 in the lottery when Shaq, Mourning and Laettner were the top three prospects. This is the franchise that has moved up in the lottery ONCE in its history (last year). Minnesota cynics are expecting the team to finish 4th in the lottery draw, because that's what always happens in Minnesota sports history.

But what if they don't? What if they finish in the Top 3? How would you structure your board? How does the current roster factor into things?

Dude you have had multiple top7 picks since 2014 including 3 nº1 picks, what are you talking about with unluckyness

For the record, Minnesota has drafted No. 1 twice since 2014, not three times.

Some highlights over the years....

1992: No. 1 odds, drop to No. 3 (O'Neal, Mourning, Laettner)
1993: No. 2 odds, drop to No. 5 (Webber, A. Hardaway, Mashburn, Rider)
1994: No. 3 odds, drop to No. 4 (Robinson, Kidd, Hill, Marshall)
1995: No. 3 odds, drop to No. 5 (this one worked out in the end)
2011: No. 1 odds, drop to No. 2 (Irving, Williams)

Again, Minnesota had NEVER moved up in the lottery until last year. They had been in the lottery about 22 times before then I believe. I'd call all of that the very definition of unluckiness. I'm not talking about draft evaluations, I'm talking about the fact that many Minnesota fans are resigned to the fact they feel the Wolves will drop to No. 4 or 5 in the lottery this summer, thereby surrendering their pick to Golden State.

How dare you not list Shawn Bradley as someone Minnesota missed out on in 1993 by falling to pick 5 haha

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Post #25 » by **Klomp** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:57 pm

Timmyyy wrote:It's still funny how someone can complain about being unlucky looking at this, arguing with 'never moved up until last year'. In fact you moved down two spots over these years and moved up two spots over that same span! Thats incredibly average for a team whose fans are claiming to be unlucky in the lottery.

Going into the 2019 draft:

In the Timberwolves' 30 seasons as a franchise, they have appeared in the NBA Draft Lottery 21 times. Which tells you everything you need to know about the Wolves.

But with all those appearances in the draft lottery, you'd figure the Timberwolves would have had Lady Luck on their side once or twice.

Nope. Never. Not one time.

The Wolves have never gained ONE SPOT in the draft thanks to the lottery. In fact, if you add it all up, the Wolves have lost 16 spots in the draft order thanks to the luck of OTHER teams.

https://www.radio.com/wccoradio/articles/lottery-losers-reviewing-timberwolves-awful-history-at-nba-draft-lottery

How is that anything but unlucky? Average? Please....

Timmyyy · Post #26 » by **Timmyyy** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:58 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
Timmyyy wrote:It's still funny how someone can complain about being unlucky looking at this, arguing with 'never moved up until last year'. In fact you moved down two spots over these years and moved up two spots over that same span! Thats incredibly average for a team whose fans are claiming to be unlucky in the lottery.

Please see this link for the full "luck" Minnesota has had in the lottery.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Minnesota-Timberwolves/17/Lottery-History

In total, the Wolves have moved down 12 times (17 spots) compared to moving up only once (2 spots).

Why do you think I worded the underlined the way I did?

I am aware of the past luck of the Wolves and even if not, at the very latest I would have seen it when Klomp laid it out a page back.
I take no issue with Klomp anecdotically mentioning it in his OP and he did actually really show what he was meaning with it.

I was specifically referring to your post because the stuff you demonstrated at the end of your post from the drafts in recent years simply does not show the things you want it to show. That's all!

I didn't intend to take away your status as the Nr 1 victim of the NBA lottery. You can have it! But the last few years won't make a good case for your argument.

Post #27 » by **gswhoops** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:50 pm

Obviously hope this doesn't happen

But, I think my top-3 would be Cade, Mobley, Kuminga

LofJ · Post #28 » by **LofJ** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:20 pm

The Wolves shouldn't worry about roster fit, but they should worry about attitude and leadership potential. They need a culture setter like Garnett was for them back in the day. I don't know if that guy is in this draft, but if he is Minnesota should move heaven and earth to get him.

EMG518 · Post #29 » by **EMG518** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 4:03 am

If I am Minnesota I would blow it up. Trade everyone and start fresh with a pick this year and what ever assets you can bring in. Ideally get a 2nd lottery pick this year. Bring in some established vets that are good for the locker room and can mentor the new guys. Move on from Russell, Beasley, Towns, and even Edwards.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #30 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:17 pm

I get more and more intrigued by the idea by them selecting Evan Mobley as the days pass. I'd think he'd go a long way in masking some of their defensive woes.

EvanZ · Post #31 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:33 pm

They should take the best player and not give a rat's ass about DLo or Towns to tbh.

Post #32 » by **Klomp** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:06 pm

EvanZ wrote:They should take the best player and not give a rat's ass about DLo or Towns to tbh.

I get your point, but I think there's something to creating as seamless a fit as possible. Player cohesion matters. If you make a pick and know that you have to trade someone else or play them outside of their ideal spots, that worsens the likelihood of maximum improvement. It's not just about finding the most "talent", but about finding the right talent.

EvanZ · Post #33 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:09 pm

Klomp wrote:
EvanZ wrote:They should take the best player and not give a rat's ass about DLo or Towns to tbh.

I get your point, but I think there's something to creating as seamless a fit as possible. Player cohesion matters. If you make a pick and know that you have to trade someone else or play them outside of their ideal spots, that worsens the likelihood of maximum improvement. It's not just about finding the most "talent", but about finding the right talent.

It doesn't matter when the talent isn't good enough, which is the point. DLo is not good enough to build around. Starting to think Towns isn't either.

Unless your goal is to build a team with a 50 win and second round exit ceiling.

MemphisX · Post #34 » by **MemphisX** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:28 pm

EMG518 wrote:If I am Minnesota I would blow it up. Trade everyone and start fresh with a pick this year and what ever assets you can bring in. Ideally get a 2nd lottery pick this year. Bring in some established vets that are good for the locker room and can mentor the new guys. Move on from Russell, Beasley, Towns, and even Edwards.

If the Wolves get the #1 pick or a pick that gets them Suggs, I agree with this. Other than Edwards. The rest I would get rid off BEFORE the season started. Ideally, I would move them before the draft and I would not be concerned with getting top dollar except with KAT. I would prioritize getting Wiseman and the Wolves pick back.

Suggs/Edwards/???/???/Wiseman plus all of your picks going forward. Get a 1st for Beasley. Get a good vet for DLo. Clean the cap sheet going forward. Build a culture.

SNPA · Post #35 » by **SNPA** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:24 am

MemphisX wrote:
EMG518 wrote:If I am Minnesota I would blow it up. Trade everyone and start fresh with a pick this year and what ever assets you can bring in. Ideally get a 2nd lottery pick this year. Bring in some established vets that are good for the locker room and can mentor the new guys. Move on from Russell, Beasley, Towns, and even Edwards.

If the Wolves get the #1 pick or a pick that gets them Suggs, I agree with this. Other than Edwards. The rest I would get rid off BEFORE the season started. Ideally, I would move them before the draft and I would not be concerned with getting top dollar except with KAT. I would prioritize getting Wiseman and the Wolves pick back.

Suggs/Edwards/???/???/Wiseman plus all of your picks going forward. Get a 1st for Beasley. Get a good vet for DLo. Clean the cap sheet going forward. Build a culture.

More or less this. They have a real chance to reset in a meaningful way. They should take it.

BostonCouchGM · Post #36 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:57 am

Unless they get the #1 Cunnhingham will be gone and tbh after taking Edwards, he wouldn't be who you'd want anyway. Edwards is going to end up like Beal. Ball in his hands, initiating the half-court offense and scoring off the PnR. It's pointless having another lead guard type like Cunnhingham or Suggs due to that. It's also why they'll be moving DLO before long. You'll want shooters, 3 and Ds, surrounding Edwards and Mobley would be perfect in that role. Eventually KAT will be moved as well. There wouldn't be more than a handful of comparable young duos in the NBA. Fans would have reason to get very excited.

916fan · Post #37 » by **916fan** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:19 am

KAT is the only player I'd be worried about fit with, everyone else is irrelevant. But with KAT, you can put anyone next to him so it doesn't matter. One thing for sure is that Minnesota can't afford to draft a bust.

1. Cade Cunningham (best player in the draft IMO, will be a star)
2. Jalen Green (extremely high upside player with a good floor as a solid starting SG)
3. Jalen Suggs (high floor player who could slot into the starting lineup decently)

Post #38 » by **Klomp** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:22 pm

At some point, they have to start putting a team together, so fit does matter. It shouldn't be the end-all, be-all, but it is important. Players have to fit not only with each orher, but also with schemes.

No-Man · Post #39 » by **No-Man** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:58 pm

Right, that's how you end up passing on LaMelo Ball, because KAT wants Ant because he knows his pal D'Lo doesn't like playing SG... like...

EvanZ · Post #40 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:09 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Unless they get the #1 Cunnhingham will be gone and tbh after taking Edwards, he wouldn't be who you'd want anyway.

What are you talking about? Of course you'd want Cade after taking Ant. If anything, you'd want him even more. Come on people. Does anyone use their brain here?