NBA Trade Thread # 3

[patryk7754]

I don’t think I agree with a single word in this post. Have you see Cousins play this season? My man shoots 37% from the field. Thirty-seven. As a big! He’s been way worse than Lauri. And Whiteside is a versatile defender now? We’ve certainly never seen that in the NBA.

That’s a terrible defensive frontcourt with even less offense right there.

clearly you have no idea what you're talking about if you think whiteside isn't a good defender. and as for cousins he's a better passer, rebounder, post player, and his shooting will come with time. and if it doesn't you can always bench him

Cousins, in his pre-injury prime, was better than Lauri has been up to this point. You can't equate current Cousins with prime Cousins. He's an end of the bench, 10 minutes a game contributor at this point. There are several Bigs we can choose from in the 2nd Round that could provide defense and rebounding off the bench and would have room for future developmental improvement. Maybe we move on from Carter at the #5, but Cousins ain't the answer.

I never called cousins the answer and I never said he was the same player pre injury but he didn’t all of the sudden lose all his skill. He averages almost a double double with a limited role. He’d be the third option at best on this team with that trade

[NocioniHomie]

[quote="ChettheJet"][quote="gobullschi"]Chicago Receives:
Harrison Barnes + Hassan Whiteside + Mo Bamba + Jabari Parker

Sacramento Receives:
OPJ + Hutch + 2021 1st (lotto protected) + 2021 2nd (via ORL)

Orlando Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr.

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Harrison Barnes / Patrick Williams
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Jabari Parker
Hassan Whiteside / Mo Bamba / Daniel Gafford

the one thing that shoots this trade down is Patrick Williams ending up on the bench. he has far exceeded anyone's expectations for a 19 year old who didn't even start in his one year of college, not for Barnes going to his 4th NBA team

I think with Barnes you go

White/Sato
Zach/Temple
Williams/Hutch
Barnes/Thad
WCJ/Thad

Barnes allows Williams to develop at SF while providing defense, shooting, and versatility (at 20M 21-22, 18M 22-23) while we figure out rest of roster. Not sure how you'd fill out it from there. But imagine how players like Brogdon at PG or Vuc at C would look. Rather than get another star at all costs.

[CaPiTanAK]

Sorry not interested in Whiteside, Barnes, and other dumpster trash. Expiring contracts are worth more than these bums. Giving up assets on top of that is ridiculous.

The only players that the Bulls are interested in from the Kings are Marvin Bagley and from the Magic Vucevic.

I personally expect WCJ to be dealt for expirings and draft pick in a couple of weeks. AK and BD have seen enough of him.

[Clint Eastwood]

Sorry not interested in Whiteside, Barnes, and other dumpster trash. Expiring contracts are worth more than these bums. Giving up assets on top of that is ridiculous.

The only players that the Bulls are interested in from the Kings are Marvin Bagley and from the Magic Vucevic.

I personally expect WCJ to be dealt for expirings and draft pick in a couple of weeks. AK and BD have seen enough of him.

Barnes isnt trash and would be a great fit here. He used to be overpaid, and that has followed him negatively as far as reputation.

[Jcool0]

Sorry not interested in Whiteside, Barnes, and other dumpster trash. Expiring contracts are worth more than these bums. Giving up assets on top of that is ridiculous.

The only players that the Bulls are interested in from the Kings are Marvin Bagley and from the Magic Vucevic.

I personally expect WCJ to be dealt for expirings and draft pick in a couple of weeks. AK and BD have seen enough of him.

Barnes isnt trash and would be a great fit here. He used to be overpaid, and that has followed him negatively as far as reputation.

100% trash.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Harrison Barnes + Hassan Whiteside + Mo Bamba + Jabari Parker

Sacramento Receives:
OPJ + Hutch + 2021 1st (lotto protected) + 2021 2nd (via ORL)

Orlando Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr.

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Harrison Barnes / Patrick Williams
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Jabari Parker
Hassan Whiteside / Mo Bamba / Daniel Gafford

I'm OK adding Jabari Parker. He didn't look great with his stint here the first time, but I thought Thad & Sato looked awful too.

The Bulls can't afford to let Markkanen walk and the trade market has dried up with his recent injury. At this point I think all we can hope for is that the injury helps keep Markkanen's next deal under the 20M mark. He did look much better than last year before he went down with the shoulder injury...

I'm warming up to the idea about adding Harrison Barnes. He's paid a very reasonable 22M/year for the production that he gives, plus having a veteran forward that can mentor Patrick Williams will pay dividends later. He can play both forward positions and is a solid three point threat that could take some pressure off Zach. He gives the Bulls some 'insurance' if Markkanen continues to struggle with injuries too.

I'm also interesting in swapping Mo Bamba and Wendell Carter Jr. I realize the WCJ has shown 'MUCH MORE" so far, but I'd rather gamble on Mo Bamba's upside and I'm tired of seeing Wendell get manhandled by bigger centers like Embiid. Mo Bamba would also likely demand much less money than WCJ considering the on court production so far. Adding Hassan Whiteside gives the Bulls some insurance.

the one thing that shoots this trade down is Patrick Williams ending up on the bench. he has far exceeded anyone's expectations for a 19 year old who didn't even start in his one year of college, not for Barnes going to his 4th NBA team

Nobody else is OK with bringing Parker back even to watch his contract expire. He flat out quit on the Bulls, looked to blame everybody and their brother for his problems when he just couldn't play NBA basketball. If Markkanen's value is shrinking right now, the best move is to keep him the rest of the season and see if he shows up as the 20-7 guy he was going towards before he got hurt. Then you make him a reasonable 3 year offer and tell him to go do better and maybe they'll match it OR see where he gets an offer and work out a S&T. To just dump him now is selling at the lowest possible value and you're not going to get back as much as you're dreaming of.

If SAC really wants to ship Barnes out to get cap space, then you don't give up a FRP to help them out. He's far from being your second star. The Bulls are basically swapping one expiring contract for two, and ending up gambling the center position on Bamba's potential when you've stocked up at other positions.

Gafford has played himself onto the bench so I wouldn't object to trading him. But to exchange Carter for Whiteside and the 10 year age difference, no What I'd like to see is Carter and Bamba splitting time to see who responds and takes the starting job. Don't know what an ORL deal might look like

I agree, it’s important for Patrick Williams to get as much playing time as possible for his development, but there’s still roughly 20 minutes available (more if there is any injuries) following this deal. His minutes would then jump right back up the following season (assuming Thad is gone). He’s getting a lot more minutes than most 19 year olds, so I don’t think this is a big deal. Plus, if there was no deal, his minutes will drop anyways once OPJ returns from injury.

I don’t think of Barnes as a ‘second star’, but the Bulls really lack players that can create for themselves, and Barnes brings that element to the roster. He also gives the Bulls flexibility in case some team offers Markkanen a 20M+ (annually) contract. I can’t see SAC dumping Barnes for expirings, but a lotto protected first is likely enough.

I’d like to see Bamba and WCJ share minutes at center too, but I don’t think the Bulls have the assets to get him without moving WCJ. If Hutch + Gafford + 2nd is enough for Orlando, I take it and run though. Whiteside really just fills the need as a stop gap center, until Bamba is ready for more minutes. (Even though I doubt a WCJ/Bamba swap happens anyways) I’m just not overly impressed with WCJ and would rather gamble on the higher upside player, even if he ends up being a bust.

[CaPiTanAK]

I'm pretty sure that we can find a Harrison Barnes type of player every year for 18-22 mil/yr. There is no need to give assets, to trade for players that don't move a needle.

I personally expect Pat Williams to give me min Harrison Barnes type of production next year minimum. If not, he can also start packing his bag.

[CaPiTanAK]

Mohamed Bamba is trash -- Shawn Bradley's son.

[gobullschi]

Mohamed Bamba is trash -- Shawn Bradley's son.

False. He was one of the best shot blockers in the league last season in the limited minutes that he played. He posted 3.6 blocks per game per 75 possessions, which was the best in the league. He just can’t get enough minutes to develop. Steve Clifford is notorious for not playing young players and he’s been stuck behind an all-star center (Vucevic).

[DroseReturnChi]

I agree, it’s important for Patrick Williams to get as much playing time as possible for his development, but there’s still roughly 20 minutes available (more if there is any injuries) following this deal. His minutes would then jump right back up the following season (assuming Thad is gone). He’s getting a lot more minutes than most 19 year olds, so I don’t think this is a big deal. Plus, if there was no deal, his minutes will drop anyways once OPJ returns from injury.

I don’t think of Barnes as a ‘second star’, but the Bulls really lack players that can create for themselves, and Barnes brings that element to the roster. He also gives the Bulls flexibility in case some team offers Markkanen a 20M+ (annually) contract. I can’t see SAC dumping Barnes for expirings, but a lotto protected first is likely enough.

Why would you make PW play 20mins and let a veteran take his development? PW can easily avg Barnes' production and unless you predict PW getting injured, this is a horrible trade. Basically,im not benching PW unless I can find Tatum like all star joining.

[Dez]

I'm pretty sure that we can find a Harrison Barnes type of player every year for 18-22 mil/yr. There is no need to give assets, to trade for players that don't move a needle.

I personally expect Pat Williams to give me min Harrison Barnes type of production next year minimum. If not, he can also start packing his bag.

Ah the old "F*** giving kids time to develop, let's f*** him off now!".

Solid plan for failing you've got right there.

[gobullschi]

I'm pretty sure that we can find a Harrison Barnes type of player every year for 18-22 mil/yr. There is no need to give assets, to trade for players that don't move a needle.

I personally expect Pat Williams to give me min Harrison Barnes type of production next year minimum. If not, he can also start packing his bag.

This is just a bad take. First, there are not a bunch of Harrison Barnes type of players available every year. Name one. Second, be prepared to be disappointed if that’s your expectation from Patrick Williams. He’s a project on the offensive end and it will take some time before he develops into a consistent scorer. Moving on from a 20 year old in his second season because he’s not living up to unrealistic expectations is just foolish.

[Clint Eastwood]

Sorry not interested in Whiteside, Barnes, and other dumpster trash. Expiring contracts are worth more than these bums. Giving up assets on top of that is ridiculous.

The only players that the Bulls are interested in from the Kings are Marvin Bagley and from the Magic Vucevic.

I personally expect WCJ to be dealt for expirings and draft pick in a couple of weeks. AK and BD have seen enough of him.

Barnes isnt trash and would be a great fit here. He used to be overpaid, and that has followed him negatively as far as reputation.

100% trash.

If you have expectations based on his draft position years ago or his contract you might judge him incorrectly. He has 2 years and 38 mil left after this year on his deal.

16pts, 6 rbs, 3.5 assists on 48% fg and 39% from three with good defense is trash? Sure. Thanks for your input.

[gobullschi]

I agree, it’s important for Patrick Williams to get as much playing time as possible for his development, but there’s still roughly 20 minutes available (more if there is any injuries) following this deal. His minutes would then jump right back up the following season (assuming Thad is gone). He’s getting a lot more minutes than most 19 year olds, so I don’t think this is a big deal. Plus, if there was no deal, his minutes will drop anyways once OPJ returns from injury.

I don’t think of Barnes as a ‘second star’, but the Bulls really lack players that can create for themselves, and Barnes brings that element to the roster. He also gives the Bulls flexibility in case some team offers Markkanen a 20M+ (annually) contract. I can’t see SAC dumping Barnes for expirings, but a lotto protected first is likely enough.

Why would you make PW play 20mins and let a veteran take his development? PW can easily avg Barnes' production and unless you predict PW getting injured, this is a horrible trade. Basically,im not benching PW unless I can find Tatum like all star joining.

So much wrong here.

First, Patrick Williams is not averaging what Barnes is producing, so clearly that’s false. I certainly think he can get there, but it will take a few years. Geez...Some people have such unrealistic expectations from a 20 year old kid. He will likely be used more as a 3-D player in the early part of his career and there isn’t anything wrong with that. His day will come and IF it comes way sooner than expected, then he can start over Barnes. Not a big deal.

Second, it’s really silly to think that a player’s development would be halted by coming off the bench. Most NBA rookies come off the bench, so I guess the whole league is doing it wrong.

[Grodoboldo]

Since people want to talk Carter trades, let's do it.

I like Wendell, but he's extention eligible this offseason and I just get the same feeling I had with Markannen, that we'd be better off dealing him for value than extending or letting him hit RFA.

- Toronto would probably do Malachi Flynn + filler for Carter Jr, right? I think he'd be a reasonable fit there, and Flynn could be valuable at PG going forward (though I don't believe he'd ever be a starting PG on a contender). I do believe Toronto "wins" this trade, but I thought it would be interesting to mention it.

- Would Indy do something like Turner for Carter Jr and Thad? That would allow them to end their frontcourt logjam sliding TJ Warren to the 4 and Sabonis to the 5, while adding great backups for both positions, and we'd get a significant upgrade at the 5 going forward (as Warren is probably out for the season, this trade would probably be better suited for the offseason)

- Would Orlando do Carter + Lauri + Coby + Felicio + one 1st rounder for Vucevic? I'll be honest, I think they can do better than this, but at the same time, I don't think I'd be willing to give up more than one draft pick for him.

Anyway, anyone who wants to trade Carter, at least put some thought into it. Oh, and Drummond and Cousins are both worse than him.

[Jcool0]

Barnes isnt trash and would be a great fit here. He used to be overpaid, and that has followed him negatively as far as reputation.

100% trash.

If you have expectations based on his draft position years ago or his contract you might judge him incorrectly. He has 2 years and 38 mil left after this year on his deal.

16pts, 6 rbs, 3.5 assists on 48% fg and 39% from three with good defense is trash? Sure. Thanks for your input.

Good defense? He is an awful defender.

[Clint Eastwood]

100% trash.

If you have expectations based on his draft position years ago or his contract you might judge him incorrectly. He has 2 years and 38 mil left after this year on his deal.

16pts, 6 rbs, 3.5 assists on 48% fg and 39% from three with good defense is trash? Sure. Thanks for your input.

Good defense? He is an awful defender.

Disagree.

[sco]

Since people want to talk Carter trades, let's do it.

I like Wendell, but he's extention eligible this offseason and I just get the same feeling I had with Markannen, that we'd be better off dealing him for value than extending or letting him hit RFA.

- Toronto would probably do Malachi Flynn + filler for Carter Jr, right? I think he'd be a reasonable fit there, and Flynn could be valuable at PG going forward (though I don't believe he'd ever be a starting PG on a contender). I do believe Toronto "wins" this trade, but I thought it would be interesting to mention it.

- Would Indy do something like Turner for Carter Jr and Thad? That would allow them to end their frontcourt logjam sliding TJ Warren to the 4 and Sabonis to the 5, while adding great backups for both positions, and we'd get a significant upgrade at the 5 going forward (as Warren is probably out for the season, this trade would probably be better suited for the offseason)

- Would Orlando do Carter + Lauri + Coby + Felicio + one 1st rounder for Vucevic? I'll be honest, I think they can do better than this, but at the same time, I don't think I'd be willing to give up more than one draft pick for him.

Anyway, anyone who wants to trade Carter, at least put some thought into it. Oh, and Drummond and Cousins are both worse than him.

Sorta disagree on Carter's extension. If you look at comps, he might be extendable for around MLE $.

I would much prefer a more established shot blocker though. I think the trade for Turner needs to involve Lauri, who is a better fit with Sabonis. Lauri/Gafford/Valentine works $-wise.

I really want to look at ORL as a partner. I'd be thrilled with either Vuc or Bamba. Your proposed deal probably get a deal done for him. Alternatively, I'd prefer to try Carter/Hutch/Val or 2 second rounders for Bamba - and then use Lauri to nab us a PG like Wall, Rubio or Ball.

[Grodoboldo]

Since people want to talk Carter trades, let's do it.

I like Wendell, but he's extention eligible this offseason and I just get the same feeling I had with Markannen, that we'd be better off dealing him for value than extending or letting him hit RFA.

- Toronto would probably do Malachi Flynn + filler for Carter Jr, right? I think he'd be a reasonable fit there, and Flynn could be valuable at PG going forward (though I don't believe he'd ever be a starting PG on a contender). I do believe Toronto "wins" this trade, but I thought it would be interesting to mention it.

- Would Indy do something like Turner for Carter Jr and Thad? That would allow them to end their frontcourt logjam sliding TJ Warren to the 4 and Sabonis to the 5, while adding great backups for both positions, and we'd get a significant upgrade at the 5 going forward (as Warren is probably out for the season, this trade would probably be better suited for the offseason)

- Would Orlando do Carter + Lauri + Coby + Felicio + one 1st rounder for Vucevic? I'll be honest, I think they can do better than this, but at the same time, I don't think I'd be willing to give up more than one draft pick for him.

Anyway, anyone who wants to trade Carter, at least put some thought into it. Oh, and Drummond and Cousins are both worse than him.

Sorta disagree on Carter's extension. If you look at comps, he might be extendable for around MLE $.

I would much prefer a more established shot blocker though. I think the trade for Turner needs to involve Lauri, who is a better fit with Sabonis. Lauri/Gafford/Valentine works $-wise.

I really want to look at ORL as a partner. I'd be thrilled with either Vuc or Bamba. Your proposed deal probably get a deal done for him. Alternatively, I'd prefer to try Carter/Hutch/Val or 2 second rounders for Bamba - and then use Lauri to nab us a PG like Wall, Rubio or Ball.

Well, Carter would be fine for the MLE. I just feel that there's always a serviceable center available for MLE or less money. Like, Richaun Holmes this next offseason.
I wouldn't mind adding Lauri to the proposed Turner deal if it would get it done. Maybe get a 2nd rounder back, just for the sake of it.
If that deal gets us Vuc, man, I'd do that instantly. And I'm a Coby believer! But Vuc would be an awesome sidekick to Lavine, and he also has 2 more years on his contract! With declining salaries!!!!
I really liked Bamba on that draft, but I honestly haven't followed his career closely to have a fair assessment on it. I wouldn't be opposed to it at first glance.

[Jcool0]

If you have expectations based on his draft position years ago or his contract you might judge him incorrectly. He has 2 years and 38 mil left after this year on his deal.

16pts, 6 rbs, 3.5 assists on 48% fg and 39% from three with good defense is trash? Sure. Thanks for your input.

Good defense? He is an awful defender.

Disagree.

He currently has a 121 defensive rating, 0.0 defensive win share, a -1.3 DBPM, averages 0.9 steals and 0.2 blocks.