Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - No Politics

[raferfenix]

I’m baffled that anyone would think Holiday is the problem.

Sure no one is untradeable. But why risk losing him for nothing?

No way a sign and trade (or cap savings) would yield more than what we could deal him for at the deadline or a year from now.

And even if you think this team has serious problems you change the coach or make other moves before liquidating the guy we dealt a half-decade’s worth of picks for.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think the S&T market for Jrue will offer opportunities.

Need some examples of where sign and trades brought back similar value players. I think you have to go back to the Jennings for Knight swap. Few S&T's get you more than a late first or two. Maybe you get DeAngelo Russell for Durant, but that type of lopsided talent swap is your best case.

No one is going to S&T us quality players or draft picks on par with Jrue's value on the court. The trade was made, it was an ill advised overpay by Lasry. But at this point we're all in with him, and $20 or $30 million extra on a contract won't make a difference.

I think Dallas deciding Porzingis isn't it has interesting no-doubter home run potential albeit risk attached. I think Denver has a lot of intriguing young pieces they could be willing to move in order to push further into contention too.

I want to re-work this entire roster around Giannis when this thing fails this spring. We didn't get it done during our window. Time to re-stock the cupboard.

Your panicking before we've even failed. What we really need to do is the little things. Hit on a 2nd round pick, maybe 2. Find a shooter like Forbes, but normal size. Get an undrafted guy under contract, somebody with potential and size, someone who can go to the G League and embarrass first round picks.

Get at least 3- 1st round picks in the next 4 drafts.

Yeah, all those things have already happened, no need to give away a star for some fringe youngsters. We don't need lottery picks to build a team.

Our starting 5 is dominant, tweak the bench, now is the best chance to win.

[skones]

Your panicking before we've even failed. What we really need to do is the little things. Hit on a 2nd round pick, maybe 2. Find a shooter like Forbes, but normal size. Get an undrafted guy under contract, somebody with potential and size, someone who can go to the G League and embarrass first round picks.

Get at least 3- 1st round picks in the next 4 drafts.

Yeah, all those things have already happened, no need to give away a star for some fringe youngsters. We don't need lottery picks to build a team.

Our starting 5 is dominant, tweak the bench, now is the best chance to win.

I'm not panicking at all. I've resigned myself to the fact that this team just isn't winning the title. In fact, you're telling me I'm counting my chickens before they've hatched while claiming we've,

"Hit on 2nd round picks maybe 2" No.
"Found a shooter like Forbes but normal size" Also no. Don't see anyone normal sized shooting 46% from distance on volume.

Do you not see the inconsistency there? We're currently walking a fine line between too soon, and too late. I don't want to get into too late territory which leads to a Giannis trade request, so I'd rather be proactive.

[ShootingtheJ]

Your panicking before we've even failed. What we really need to do is the little things. Hit on a 2nd round pick, maybe 2. Find a shooter like Forbes, but normal size. Get an undrafted guy under contract, somebody with potential and size, someone who can go to the G League and embarrass first round picks.

Get at least 3- 1st round picks in the next 4 drafts.

Yeah, all those things have already happened, no need to give away a star for some fringe youngsters. We don't need lottery picks to build a team.

Our starting 5 is dominant, tweak the bench, now is the best chance to win.

I'm not panicking at all. I've resigned myself to the fact that this team just isn't winning the title. In fact, you're telling me I'm counting my chickens before they've hatched while claiming we've,

"Hit on 2nd round picks maybe 2" No.
"Found a shooter like Forbes but normal size" Also no. Don't see anyone normal sized shooting 46% from distance on volume.

Do you not see the inconsistency there? We're currently walking a fine line between too soon, and too late. I don't want to get into too late territory which leads to a Giannis trade request, so I'd rather be proactive.

I do see the inconsistency, but I also know you like all those young guys.

Also, blowing this team up is definitely the proactive approach to getting Giannis to ask for a trade. It'll make it happen immediately.

[ShootingtheJ]

The place we should look for a 3rd guard is Indiana. The Pacers aren't even a playoff team right now. Lamb and Justin Holiday are both realistic targets. It'll probably need to be a 3 team deal to make the money work.

[WRau1]

The place we should look for a 3rd guard is Indiana. The Pacers aren't even a playoff team right now. Lamb and Justin Holiday are both realistic targets. It'll probably need to be a 3 team deal to make the money work.

Wilson + Craig should work for Holiday, as far as money goes. Don't know what Holiday's value is, maybe a 2nd rd pick or 2 would have to be added.

[BigO]

Your panicking before we've even failed. What we really need to do is the little things. Hit on a 2nd round pick, maybe 2. Find a shooter like Forbes, but normal size. Get an undrafted guy under contract, somebody with potential and size, someone who can go to the G League and embarrass first round picks.

Get at least 3- 1st round picks in the next 4 drafts.

Yeah, all those things have already happened, no need to give away a star for some fringe youngsters. We don't need lottery picks to build a team.

Our starting 5 is dominant, tweak the bench, now is the best chance to win.

I'm not panicking at all. I've resigned myself to the fact that this team just isn't winning the title. In fact, you're telling me I'm counting my chickens before they've hatched while claiming we've,

"Hit on 2nd round picks maybe 2" No.
"Found a shooter like Forbes but normal size" Also no. Don't see anyone normal sized shooting 46% from distance on volume.

Do you not see the inconsistency there? We're currently walking a fine line between too soon, and too late. I don't want to get into too late territory which leads to a Giannis trade request, so I'd rather be proactive.

I do see the inconsistency, but I also know you like all those young guys.

Also, blowing this team up is definitely the proactive approach to getting Giannis to ask for a trade. It'll make it happen immediately.

You're both wrong. The problem with the team is not lack of talent-it's lack of coaching. Yesterday, was the first game all season where I saw varied defenses at the right times. Instead of dropping way down, Lopez stayed high and made it tough for the ball handler. Coaching matters. Instead of wasting time thinking up trades that just shuffle the deck chairs, look at the games. And for the Lopez haters out there, he was plus 9 yesterday.

[Wonka]

The place we should look for a 3rd guard is Indiana. The Pacers aren't even a playoff team right now. Lamb and Justin Holiday are both realistic targets. It'll probably need to be a 3 team deal to make the money work.

Wilson + Craig should work for Holiday, as far as money goes. Don't know what Holiday's value is, maybe a 2nd rd pick or 2 would have to be added.

Give me every Holiday brother, every Antetokounmpo brother and bring Robin back. It’s time for a championship!

[Wonka]

[tweet][/tweet]

I'm not panicking at all. I've resigned myself to the fact that this team just isn't winning the title. In fact, you're telling me I'm counting my chickens before they've hatched while claiming we've,

"Hit on 2nd round picks maybe 2" No.
"Found a shooter like Forbes but normal size" Also no. Don't see anyone normal sized shooting 46% from distance on volume.

Do you not see the inconsistency there? We're currently walking a fine line between too soon, and too late. I don't want to get into too late territory which leads to a Giannis trade request, so I'd rather be proactive.

I do see the inconsistency, but I also know you like all those young guys.

Also, blowing this team up is definitely the proactive approach to getting Giannis to ask for a trade. It'll make it happen immediately.

You're both wrong. The problem with the team is not lack of talent-it's lack of coaching. Yesterday, was the first game all season where I saw varied defenses at the right times. Instead of dropping way down, Lopez stayed high and made it tough for the ball handler. Coaching matters. Instead of wasting time thinking up trades that just shuffle the deck chairs, look at the games. And for the Lopez haters out there, he was plus 9 yesterday.

Plus/minus doesn’t mean anything. If you’re watching recent Bucks games and you think Brook is actively and positively contributing to this team, I don’t know what to say. Brook hasn’t made many possessions tough on ANYONE on D this year.

[WRau1]

I'm not panicking at all. I've resigned myself to the fact that this team just isn't winning the title. In fact, you're telling me I'm counting my chickens before they've hatched while claiming we've,

"Hit on 2nd round picks maybe 2" No.
"Found a shooter like Forbes but normal size" Also no. Don't see anyone normal sized shooting 46% from distance on volume.

Do you not see the inconsistency there? We're currently walking a fine line between too soon, and too late. I don't want to get into too late territory which leads to a Giannis trade request, so I'd rather be proactive.

I do see the inconsistency, but I also know you like all those young guys.

Also, blowing this team up is definitely the proactive approach to getting Giannis to ask for a trade. It'll make it happen immediately.

You're both wrong. The problem with the team is not lack of talent-it's lack of coaching. Yesterday, was the first game all season where I saw varied defenses at the right times. Instead of dropping way down, Lopez stayed high and made it tough for the ball handler. Coaching matters. Instead of wasting time thinking up trades that just shuffle the deck chairs, look at the games. And for the Lopez haters out there, he was plus 9 yesterday.

Lopez hasn't made it tough for anyone, except Bucks fans, all season.

[tski1972]

I didn’t realize Richaun Holmes was on such a friendly contract ($5M expiring). Would DJW and Nwora do it? I’d ask for a 2nd rounder back as well just because.

[raferfenix]

I wonder if BroLo would play better overall if we relied on him for significantly fewer minutes.

If he has nagging injuries or pain that could be slowing him down.

It's possible if we were to load manage Brook he'd be able to have a better spurt of productivity come playoff time.

Lopez has one of the few significant sized contracts we could put into deals in theory, but it'd only be worth it if the trade package were bringing us something better, and that valuation depends on whether or not the Lopez from a season and a half ago could return if only for short periods at strategic moments.

[crowhead76]

I wonder if BroLo would play better overall if we relied on him for significantly fewer minutes.

If he has nagging injuries or pain that could be slowing him down.

It's possible if we were to load manage Brook he'd be able to have a better spurt of productivity come playoff time.

Lopez has one of the few significant sized contracts we could put into deals in theory, but it'd only be worth it if the trade package were bringing us something better, and that valuation depends on whether or not the Lopez from a season and a half ago could return if only for short periods at strategic moments.

I think this is a solid idea. I would like to see them continue to give Portis more of those minutes and start to see what they have with Diakite as well.

Lopez only fits on a handful of teams, so his return in a trade will be minimal, however that contract needs to be moved somehow, it just might have to be on a draft day trade.

[raferfenix]

Bucks dodged a bullet not trading Donte for Oladipo considering his contract demands.

There are so few other big names on the free agency wire this offseason that if Dipo stays healthy maybe there is a team willing to offer him a giant deal.

Wouldn't be surprised if Houston bails in the meantime. They only dealt Lavert to take a flier on Oladipo, so not so damaging in the scheme of things if they just cut bait.

Houston Rockets guard Victor Oladipo recently turned down a two-year, $45.2 million maximum contract extension, the most the franchise could offer him before the end of the regular season, sources told ESPN.

As expected, Oladipo is pursuing a longer-term deal, sources said, something that the collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow the Rockets to offer him until the offseason.

Oladipo is in the final year of a four-year, $85 million contract, which leaves the Rockets with decisions to make prior to the March 25 trade deadline -- including whether they'll make him available in trade talks. The transitional state of the Rockets' roster makes it likely they'll listen to overtures as they continue to get to know Oladipo -- and he gets to know them -- since the mid-January trade that brought him from the Indiana Pacers as part of the James Harden blockbuster.

For the Rockets, amid a post-Harden and Russell Westbrook era, there are a number of options with Oladipo, including weighing his value in the trade deadline marketplace; committing to aggressively pursuing a long-term deal in the summer; working with Oladipo on getting value back in sign-and-trade talks in the offseason; or letting him walk to use the cap space on other players in free agency.

It is typical that teams become more focused in pursuing trades closer to the deadline, which is still nearly four weeks away. Houston has yet to engage with teams on trade talks involving Oladipo, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30981753/sources-victor-oladipo-turned-2-year-452-million-extension-houston-rockets

[BigO]

I do see the inconsistency, but I also know you like all those young guys.

Also, blowing this team up is definitely the proactive approach to getting Giannis to ask for a trade. It'll make it happen immediately.

You're both wrong. The problem with the team is not lack of talent-it's lack of coaching. Yesterday, was the first game all season where I saw varied defenses at the right times. Instead of dropping way down, Lopez stayed high and made it tough for the ball handler. Coaching matters. Instead of wasting time thinking up trades that just shuffle the deck chairs, look at the games. And for the Lopez haters out there, he was plus 9 yesterday.

Lopez hasn't made it tough for anyone, except Bucks fans, all season.

The advanced stats don't bear this out at all and that's why he is playing. So far this season, according to the Raptor advanced methodology espoused by 538.com, Brook is a negative on offense but a positive on defense and a total positive on Wins Above Replacement (WAR). So he is a plus when he is on the court (this isn't based on the simple plus/minus stat) and the Bucks are worse with him off the court.

He is a great paint protector and that's why the Bucks have been at the top of the league for almost three years in that area. His limitations are obvious on defense in that he is almost impossible to use on a switch. But he can play great help defense.

So rather than use your based visual perception of Lopez and try to fit it in your narrative, look at the facts and try to have a more nuanced approach. Two years ago he was on the second team all defensive team. He's not great, but he's not horrible either.

[ShootingtheJ]

You're both wrong. The problem with the team is not lack of talent-it's lack of coaching. Yesterday, was the first game all season where I saw varied defenses at the right times. Instead of dropping way down, Lopez stayed high and made it tough for the ball handler. Coaching matters. Instead of wasting time thinking up trades that just shuffle the deck chairs, look at the games. And for the Lopez haters out there, he was plus 9 yesterday.

Lopez hasn't made it tough for anyone, except Bucks fans, all season.

The advanced stats don't bear this out at all and that's why he is playing. So far this season, according to the Raptor advanced methodology espoused by 538.com, Brook is a negative on offense but a positive on defense and a total positive on Wins Above Replacement (WAR). So he is a plus when he is on the court (this isn't based on the simple plus/minus stat) and the Bucks are worse with him off the court.

He is a great paint protector and that's why the Bucks have been at the top of the league for almost three years in that area. His limitations are obvious on defense in that he is almost impossible to use on a switch. But he can play great help defense.

So rather than use your based visual perception of Lopez and try to fit it in your narrative, look at the facts and try to have a more nuanced approach. Two years ago he was on the second team all defensive team. He's not great, but he's not horrible either.

He's right, Brooks struggles have been overstated. He's not great, and doesn't fit in every match up, but he isn't what's hurt us.

[ShootingtheJ]

The place we should look for a 3rd guard is Indiana. The Pacers aren't even a playoff team right now. Lamb and Justin Holiday are both realistic targets. It'll probably need to be a 3 team deal to make the money work.

Wilson + Craig should work for Holiday, as far as money goes. Don't know what Holiday's value is, maybe a 2nd rd pick or 2 would have to be added.

Yup, we might have to find a 3rd team, as the Pacers are at there roster limit, but we should be able to work this out.

Holiday can really shoot, but also defend, and as an added bonus, he has a career 66TS% in the playoffs. He make both Forbes and DJA unnecessary.

[coolhandluke121]

I wonder if BroLo would play better overall if we relied on him for significantly fewer minutes.

If he has nagging injuries or pain that could be slowing him down.

It's possible if we were to load manage Brook he'd be able to have a better spurt of productivity come playoff time.

I think he lost his conditioning and fitness during the pandemic and never really got it back. You could see the love handles when he had his hands on his knees outside the lane while waiting for someone to shoot a free throw. He actually shot the ball really well in the bubble and that kind of made up for his newfound defensive deficiencies, but that shooting wasn't sustainable and we're now seeing what he's like with his normal shooting and his now nearly league-worst feet on defense.

Basically I'm just saying I don't think they should keep his minutes down right now. They need him to play himself into shape, if that's possible. I think he's already looking a tiny bit faster than he was when the season started, although that could be a case of me seeing what I want to see. Once he's in shape again, you can cut his minutes to keep him fresh in the month leading up to the playoffs, but they should be working him hard until then IMO.

[Ron Swanson]

Don't think the Pacers have any interest in parting ways with Holiday given that he's given them exactly what they signed him to do. Would be smarter and more feasible to look at buy-low candidates or guys who've struggled but would look better playing next to our guys. I'd be looking at J-Rich or Terrence Ross.

[emunney]

It's **** up that Malik Monk is suddenly now exactly who I thought he was going to be coming out of Kentucky.