Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[prime1time]

Also, time to stop talking about the lottery. Wizards are going to the playoffs. Also, this talk about "You can't win a championship with Beal" is silly. Kobe-Shaq, who's 1 who's 2? If we bought in an elite center and Beal puts up mid to high 30s in the playoffs, is he a one or is he a two? This formulaic way of approaching sports will force you to miss potential opportunities because you are artificially curtailing what is possible. All you need to win championships is a matchup advantage. If opposing teams need to double Beal in order to stop him, he's good enough to be the best player on a championship team.

But even then, being a "1" is purely semantics. Many championship teams don't have a clear-cut 1. They have two or three dominant players. Beal is a dominant player. If we got another dominant player to pair with him and played great defense, we'd have a chance. This is why with a limited older Westbrook, we are starting to win games. And this is the same reason why people might be surprised to see the Wizards have success in the playoffs. We don't have to build a championship team. All we have to do is get close enough to become a destination team for superstars. That's all we have to do. Just like how AD forced his way, PG forced his way, Kawhi forced his way and Harden forced his way. Become a destination for a star. Then role players will follow.

But I completely reject the notion that small guards can't win a championship. Let's say we switched out Lillard for Westbrook and found an above average defensive center who can rebound well. How far would we be from winning a championship? We really aren't that far away. We just need to find a legit star to pair with Beal. Westbrook isn't that. He's fading fast.

[Ruzious]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

Some sneaky assets we might want to get from New Orleans are Milwaukee's FRP's from 2025 and 2027 - using Doc's strategy of getting unprotected 1sts from teams that might fall in the future.

If we trade Beal to NO, I guess the contracts we would acquire would be Bledsoe and Ball. I think Ball's actually a pretty good asset - seeing as he's still just 23 and a good PG with a good 3 point shot. Bledsoe wouldn't be a good fit, but maybe we could find a team to take him that needs a veteran PG that plays defense.

[nate33]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

Some sneaky assets we might want to get from New Orleans are Milwaukee's FRP's from 2025 and 2027 - using Doc's strategy of getting unprotected 1sts from teams that might fall in the future.

If we trade Beal to NO, I guess the contracts we would acquire would be Bledsoe and Ball. I think Ball's actually a pretty good asset - seeing as he's still just 23 and a good PG with a good 3 point shot. Bledsoe wouldn't be a good fit, but maybe we could find a team to take him that needs a veteran PG that plays defense.

New Orleans wouldn't have to match salaries. They'll be well below the cap this offseason and could absorb the salary differential between Beal and Bledsoe. They wouldn't have to (or want to) include Ball.

I agree that this trade idea becomes much more of a no-brainer if we get New Orleans to include extra assets. But I'm curious what the board thinks of a straight up Beal for #1 pick trade. I doubt they would include more.

[Ruzious]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

Some sneaky assets we might want to get from New Orleans are Milwaukee's FRP's from 2025 and 2027 - using Doc's strategy of getting unprotected 1sts from teams that might fall in the future.

If we trade Beal to NO, I guess the contracts we would acquire would be Bledsoe and Ball. I think Ball's actually a pretty good asset - seeing as he's still just 23 and a good PG with a good 3 point shot. Bledsoe wouldn't be a good fit, but maybe we could find a team to take him that needs a veteran PG that plays defense.

New Orleans wouldn't have to match salaries. They'll be well below the cap this offseason and could absorb the salary differential between Beal and Bledsoe. They wouldn't have to (or want to) include Ball.

I agree that this trade idea becomes much more of a no-brainer if we get New Orleans to include extra assets. But I'm curious what the board thinks of a straight up Beal for #1 pick trade. I doubt they would include more.

That's odd; they're at 129 mil this season and only lose Redick's 13 mil of their major contracts according to the trade checker. But Adams contract might be over? Anyway, gotta expect they're a big long shot to get the 1st pick.

[The Consiglieri]

When has Beal ever given any indication of any of this?

He has always been hands off with the front office stuff and has publicly said that he will just let Tommy do his job and stay out of it. He would have absolutely no issue with us drafting 3 rookies. He’s a smart guy that would surely love to add 3 talented young players on rookie deals.

You think Brad liked trading away a 1st round pick for Markieff Morris or Bogdonovic? I doubt it.

It’s logic, what vet in his prime who wants to cause damage in the playoffs wants 1/3 plus off the roster to be 18/19/20?!?! I haven’t heard of one ever, I have heard of complaining about rookie heavy rosters. I’d like more bullets this draft too, I can’t see Beal or Russell happy w/us bringing in 3 rookie first round guys and possibly 2nd rounder guys if we buy picks.

[NatP4]

Tough call. I’m not sure that Suggs/Mobley will ever be as good as Beal is right now. I’m also not sure that we wouldn’t just draft Cunningham, who will never be as good as Beal or anywhere close.

Beal’s character and loyalty is so unique for a franchise superstar, it will be tough to find again.

Mobley for Beal straight up wouldn’t be a bad move, kind of a lateral move though when it’s all said and done.

[NatP4]

When has Beal ever given any indication of any of this?

He has always been hands off with the front office stuff and has publicly said that he will just let Tommy do his job and stay out of it. He would have absolutely no issue with us drafting 3 rookies. He’s a smart guy that would surely love to add 3 talented young players on rookie deals.

You think Brad liked trading away a 1st round pick for Markieff Morris or Bogdonovic? I doubt it.

It’s logic, what vet in his prime who wants to cause damage in the playoffs wants 1/3 plus off the roster to be 18/19/20?!?! I haven’t heard of one ever, I have heard of complaining about rookie heavy rosters. I’d like more bullets this draft too, I can’t see Beal or Russell happy w/us bringing in 3 rookie first round guys and possibly 2nd rounder guys if we buy picks.

Who cares? Again, Beal has said he trusts Tommy to build the team. We aren’t talking about drafting 18 year old projects. Would Beal be upset if Haliburton was our PG right now instead of Russ????? What about having Xavier Tillman coming off the bench??? Don’t think so.

[The Consiglieri]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

[FAH1223]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

[DCZards]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

If Beal opts out and signs a 5-yr deal it will probably be because the Zards have truly become a top 3-4 team in the EC...or are on the verge of becoming one.

However, I wouldn’t bank on any “loyalty” to DC as being the only or primary reason for BB’s decision to sign a 5-year extension. There’s a good chance BeaI doesn’t re-sign if the Zards are mired in 8th place or worse in the East...and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change anytime soon.

Who we get in the 2021 draft and the development of the key young guys are likely going to have a lot to do with BB’s decision making as it relates to resigning.

Who the coach and GM are will also be factors.

[FAH1223]

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

If Beal opts out and signs a 5-yr deal it will probably be because the Zards have truly become a top 3-4 team in the EC...or are on the verge of becoming one.

However, I wouldn’t bank on any “loyalty” to DC as being the only or primary reason for BB’s decision to sign a 5-year extension because I don’t think he re-signs if the Zards are mired in 8th place or worse in the East...and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change anytime soon.

Who we get in the 2021 draft and the development of the key young guys are going to have a lot to do with BB’s decision making as it relates to resigning.

Who the coach and GM will also be factors.

I should re-phrase it.

What happens in the scenario he re-signs and the Bullets are still not a contending team? but still in the bottom half of the playoff picture in the East?

Is it likely? Maybe not. But it is still possible.

[nate33]

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

If Beal opts out and signs a 5-yr deal it will probably be because the Zards have truly become a top 3-4 team in the EC...or are on the verge of becoming one.

However, I wouldn’t bank on any “loyalty” to DC as being the only or primary reason for BB’s decision to sign a 5-year extension. There’s a good chance BeaI doesn’t re-sign if the Zards are mired in 8th place or worse in the East...and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change anytime soon.

Who we get in the 2021 draft and the development of the key young guys are likely going to have a lot to do with BB’s decision making as it relates to resigning.

Who the coach and GM are will also be factors.

Don't forget that for Beal to sign somewhere, they are going to need max cap room. How many suitors will be in better position than a young(ish) 5-8 seed in the East, while also having max cap room?

[gambitx777]

I think at this point the trading beal ideas are dead in the water. The teams play well even when loosing. I think what should be done is try to fleece anything we can get for Bertans and get off that money. His shooting will return but it's not an intrigal part of this team winning and we can find that else where aka matthews, rui getting better off the scrap pile. What ever, for much cheaper.

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[PaulinVA]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

He becomes Reggie Miller...

[prime1time]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

We are a playoff team.

[Ruzious]

If we are a playoff team, should we try to trade for... Christian Wood? Look at his stats before he was injured... https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/woodch01.html - they're absurdly good - and he's a PF/C. If he kept that up, he might've made the All-Star team. He's expected to be back right after the All-Star break. Signed for 2 more years - at 13.7 mil and 14.3 mil. We have some young assets. But would Houston even consider trading him?

[DCZards]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

I sorta agree that you need a big, playmaking wing (or a great big) to compete for a championship. But, then again, the Heat advanced to the NBA finals last year with Jimmy Butler, who I consider more like Beal than a big, playmaking wing in the tradition of a Lebron, Giannis or Kawhi. Of course, Miami did have Bam riding shotgun.

If you trade Beal for the #1 pick and end up with Cunningham you’re still one (maybe two) all-stars away from competing for anything--and that's assuming that Cunnigham turns out to be as good or better than BB, which is getting to be a pretty high bar.

Seems to me that it makes more sense to hold on to Beal if possible--a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush--and build a winning team around him.

[NatP4]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

I sorta agree that you need a big, playmaking wing (or a great big) to compete for a championship. But, then again, the Heat advanced to the NBA finals last year with Jimmy Butler, who I consider more like Beal than a big, playmaking wing in the tradition of a Lebron, Giannis or Kawhi. Of course, Miami did have Bam riding shotgun.

If you trade Beal for the #1 pick and end up with Cunningham you’re still one (maybe two) all-stars away from competing for anything--and that's assuming that Cunnigham turns out to be as good or better than BB, which is getting to be a pretty high bar.

Seems to me that it makes more sense to hold on to Beal if possible--a bird in the bush is worth two in the hand--and build a winning team around him.

What exactly do you guys mean by “playmaking wing”? I don’t remember the Spurs, Warriors, or Mavericks having a ball handling/playmaking wing.

You really just need good team defense, good guard play, and a big that can rebound and protect the rim/anchor a defense. A lot of really good teams were built around this structure. Steph&Klay with Draymond. Parker&Ginobili with Duncan. Kidd&Terry with Dirk&Chandler. I would argue that having a low usage efficient wing defender is the ideal team build.

The wizards are missing the big that can anchor their defense and win the paint battle, and getting seriously inconsistent point guard play for 34 minutes a night. I would argue that if they picked Haliburton and Westbrook was out of the picture, and Bryant never got hurt, they would be a top 4 seed right now.

[gambitx777]

I think the one team in the league who wants Beal the most, where he is the perfect fit in skill, position, age, experience and demeanor, is New Orleans. I think they are the one team who would trade the #1 overall pick for Beal. They would certainly trade the #2 or #3 pick for him.

Is that a trade you would do on Draft Day? Let's say the actual deal was #1 overall pick plus Bledsoe straight up for Beal. Let's also assume we land the #10 pick based on our record.

I think I would. Beal, as good as he is, will probably peak as a "star player" but not a "franchise player". I don't think a team can win with Beal as the best player. History shows that you need a big wing playmaker or an all-time great big man to win championships. Cade Cunningham fits the prototype of a big wing playmaker.

No I would not do that deal. I think that's no where near worth beal. Ido not care if it's a top 3 pick one pick and bledso for beal is a non starter to me. I would ask for at least 2-3 more picks on top of that. They have all those extra picks I want some of those and I probably want at least hayes and NAW. Also no on bledsoe, make it a sign and trade for ball.

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[The Consiglieri]

We do a lot of speculating on Beal’s thought process based on nothing at all. By all indications, he loves DC and wants to be here for the rest of his career. We should be focused on building a championship team around him and nothing else.

No we shouldn’t. How many elite young players stick around for years/all of their prime on non playoff teams and don’t budge? It is x-files level rare. I don’t bet on outliers that rare ever.

What happens when Beal opts out in 2022 and doesn't leave... instead signs a 5 year max?

Sign and trade for a giant pile of everlasting gobstoppers!!