Alperen Şengün

[ofeek]

There is a trade off between being in a competitive team / league and receiving abundant playing time.

It has been a point of debate also in Turkey whether he should wait a year overseas and play euroleague or he should even make a move during midseason to experience Euroleague athmosphere.

I am personally among those who disagrees with that view. The competition can be higher in Euroleague but the risks that his role/minutes would drop significantly was even higher. So, i definitelly think he is better off where he is right now.

I have been watching this **** for more than 25 years and no domestic player ever received a bigger role/playing time in such an early age. Normally, Turkish League is highly dominated by foreign players, mostly american ones. So the match ups he gets aren’t bad at all.

I really hope he ends up in a franchise with proper player development culture and clear direction towards the future. Another plus he has is his character. He is a very modest, hardworking kid who has been away from the spotlights of fame. So, one can expect a decent, way better work ethic compared to other Turkish players ( kanter, osman, korkmaz etc. ). That is what makes people have so high hopes of him.

so it is just a matter of him being end up at the right hands. As long as that happens, he has all the potential to improve whichever area necessary.

[Ruzious]

There is a trade off between being in a competitive team / league and receiving abundant playing time.

It has been a point of debate also in Turkey whether he should wait a year overseas and play euroleague or he should even make a move during midseason to experience Euroleague athmosphere.

I am personally among those who disagrees with that view. The competition can be higher in Euroleague but the risks that his role/minutes would drop significantly was even higher. So, i definitelly think he is better off where he is right now.

I have been watching this **** for more than 25 years and no domestic player ever received a bigger role/playing time in such an early age. Normally, Turkish League is highly dominated by foreign players, mostly american ones. So the match ups he gets aren’t bad at all.

I really hope he ends up in a franchise with proper player development culture and clear direction towards the future. Another plus he has is his character. He is a very modest, hardworking kid who has been away from the spotlights of fame. So, one can expect a decent, way better work ethic compared to other Turkish players ( kanter, osman, korkmaz etc. ). That is what makes people have so high hopes of him.

so it is just a matter of him being end up at the right hands. As long as that happens, he has all the potential to improve whichever area necessary.

There's doubt on his defense, but... at 18 years old, he leads his league in blocks and is 7th in steals. I'm thinking he should be a top 10 pick.

[UcanUwill]

Leads Turkish league in PER by a large margin with 31.9
second in eDiff with 30.3, 8th. in ORtg 133.0
TS% 69.6 while being first in points scored per minute, 4th. in rebounds per minute and TRB%, second in BLK%.

This guy is Luka'ing the Turkish league.

[clyde21]

Leads Turkish league in PER by a large margin with 31.9
second in eDiff with 30.3, 8th. in ORtg 133.0
TS% 69.6 while being first in points scored per minute, 4th. in rebounds per minute and TRB%, second in BLK%.

This guy is Luka'ing the Turkish league.

not sure I buy him defensively in the NBA at all but his metrics are actually better than Luka's at an even younger age, especially defensively.

still have questions about his how/where he fits in the modern NBA but if the shooting and ball skills are real then that answers a lot of those questions, and obviously at some point you can't really deny production at this level from someone this young.

[ofeek]

Today's performance is 28 points, 12 boards, 3 asists and 3 turnovers in 34 minutes of playing time.

9/14 2pts FG, 1/2 3pts FG, 7/8 FT .

nice to see he now attempts to make 3ball as well.

[karkinos]

not feeling the same vibes that some other ppl are
he's super young and needs more time in his turkish league. no need to rush out to the nba just yet.
i think darko's b2b game looked way better imo and he did horribly in the nba.

[UcanUwill]

not feeling the same vibes that some other ppl are
he's super young and needs more time in his turkish league. no need to rush out to the nba just yet.
i think darko's b2b game looked way better imo and he did horribly in the nba.

He needs to go to Euroleague team, he has no reason to be on random Turkish league team anymore, guy is clearly too good for that. And this guy's numbers destroys Darko's, Darko was never dominant scorer even at junior level, now only imagine Alperin in FIBA u19, guy would average 25 points per game at least.

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[karkinos]

not feeling the same vibes that some other ppl are
he's super young and needs more time in his turkish league. no need to rush out to the nba just yet.
i think darko's b2b game looked way better imo and he did horribly in the nba.

He needs to go to Euroleague team, he has no reason to be on random Turkish league team anymore, guy is clearly too good for that. And this guy's numbers destroys Darko's, Darko was never dominant scorer even at junior level, now only imagine Alperin in FIBA u19, guy would average 25 points per game at least.

i don't really care about numbers
i actually care more about his footwork and mechanics.

[UcanUwill]

not feeling the same vibes that some other ppl are
he's super young and needs more time in his turkish league. no need to rush out to the nba just yet.
i think darko's b2b game looked way better imo and he did horribly in the nba.

He needs to go to Euroleague team, he has no reason to be on random Turkish league team anymore, guy is clearly too good for that. And this guy's numbers destroys Darko's, Darko was never dominant scorer even at junior level, now only imagine Alperin in FIBA u19, guy would average 25 points per game at least.

i don't really care about numbers
i actually care more about his footwork and mechanics.

Darko had bad touch around the rim, he was just athletic, but even on Hemofarm that never translated to bigtime numbers.

[CptCrunch]

He isn't center sized, would be bad if he measures 6'7"-6'8" without shoes (listed at 6'9").

He looks crafty, but slow on film. He can barely jump at age 18.

But his stats are so damn gaudy. I do not think he can play C in the NBA.

I wonder if a team can convert him to a PF in the league.

Hate to make a comparison based on race/looks, but he does look like 38 year old Luis Scola with just as much speed and hops.

Just based on his stats/youth, he is lotto pick imo.

[clyde21]

he's gonna have to be some type of combo big because again, he lacks C size and rim protection, also probably below average mobility for a PF in the NBA, so it'll come down to his shot and ball skills...I think the shot is pretty scalable, looks like he can easily develop a reliable outside shot, has a + handle and can pass out of double teams and from the post, obviously the prod is ridiculous combined with his age along with how good he is in the paint make him a first rounder, but I think lotto tbh with his questionable high end potential is too rich for my taste. 18-25 range is probably a better slot for him imo.

[Ruzious]

He isn't center sized, would be bad if he measures 6'7"-6'8" without shoes (listed at 6'9").

He looks crafty, but slow on film. He can barely jump at age 18.

But his stats are so damn gaudy. I do not think he can play C in the NBA.

I wonder if a team can convert him to a PF in the league.

Hate to make a comparison based on race/looks, but he does look like 38 year old Luis Scola with just as much speed and hops.

Just based on his stats/youth, he is lotto pick imo.

Does he really look smaller than 6'9? Remember, Bam Adebayo and Wendell Carter are both listed at 6'9. Granted, they've both got other things going for them. Still, I think it's premature to call Sengun undersized.

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[clyde21]

his body type honestly reminds me a little of TJD's, longer neck but shorter legs, shorter arms, so the length issues are real even if he measures in at 6-10, because functionally speaking he doesn't have 6-10 presence on the court.

but his body type allows him to do other things in the base, he has tree trunks for legs, super strong base and core, which allows him to do a lot of what he does scoring in the paint...but again it will come down to how his shot and live dribble game continues to develop but I do feel like his ceiling is hard capped at some point lower than what it should be for a lotto guy, we'll see.

[ofeek]

I remember Turkoglu giving an interview during his first couple of year where he was saying he got taller even after he went to NBA.
As far as I remember, he reached to 2.08 from 2.06 and he was exactly 21 years old when he was drafted. So, Alperen may also get an inch taller with proper nutrition and so on.

regarding the never ending discussion of needing to play for a Euroleague team, as i mentioned earlier, i totally disagree. Such young players are almost never counted on Euroleague. Had he joined to an Euroleague team, he wouldn't have received even the quarter of the playing time he receives now. So, none of you would have heard about him.

his fellow countryman, 76'ers' rainmaker korkmaz warmed Anadolu Efes' bench - a Euroleague team - for almost 2 years wasting his years. okey his body was far from ready back then but his talent would have definitely received a playing time elsewhere. Kanter did not have proper playing time either before moving to USA for NCAA and he also wasted, if i am not mistaken, 2 years of his time being ineligible to play due to NCAA regulations.

Believe it or not, he is exactly where he is supposed to be. Euroleague hype is not that important.

Comparison of his eventual fate to Darko Milicic is also absurd because he ended up being drafted ahead of wade and melo, in one of the richest draft classes in the history of the game. So, the mental pressure Milicic received back then as far as the expectations was concerned ( also remember he was drafted by a defending champions ) was probably unbearable for an 18 years old player.

finally i agree with the draft range mentioned above. i would rather hope him being drafted by Spurs in 23rd place than going for lotto. Assuming, they are likely to say "thank you" to guys like Aldridge and Gay, it would probably be a dream come true for him to work with legendary Greg Popovich and possibly workout with #21.

[Ruzious]

I remember Turkoglu giving an interview during his first couple of year where he was saying he got taller even after he went to NBA.
As far as I remember, he reached to 2.08 from 2.06 and he was exactly 21 years old when he was drafted. So, Alperen may also get an inch taller with proper nutrition and so on.

regarding the never ending discussion of needing to play for a Euroleague team, as i mentioned earlier, i totally disagree. Such young players are almost never counted on Euroleague. Had he joined to an Euroleague team, he wouldn't have received even the quarter of the playing time he receives now. So, none of you would have heard about him.

his fellow countryman, 76'ers' rainmaker korkmaz warmed Anadolu Efes' bench - a Euroleague team - for almost 2 years wasting his years. okey his body was far from ready back then but his talent would have definitely received a playing time elsewhere. Kanter did not have proper playing time either before moving to USA for NCAA and he also wasted, if i am not mistaken, 2 years of his time being ineligible to play due to NCAA regulations.

Believe it or not, he is exactly where he is supposed to be. Euroleague hype is not that important.

Comparison of his eventual fate to Darko Milicic is also absurd because he ended up being drafted ahead of wade and melo, in one of the richest draft classes in the history of the game. So, the mental pressure Milicic received back then as far as the expectations was concerned ( also remember he was drafted by a defending champions ) was probably unbearable for an 18 years old player.

finally i agree with the draft range mentioned above. i would rather hope him being drafted by Spurs in 23rd place than going for lotto. Assuming, they are likely to say "thank you" to guys like Aldridge and Gay, it would probably be a dream come true for him to work with legendary Greg Popovich and possibly workout with #21.

I was thinking the same thing - that it'd be great for him to be drafted by the Spurs. Tbh, I'll be shocked if he isn't drafted before they pick.

[nolang1]

He isn't center sized, would be bad if he measures 6'7"-6'8" without shoes (listed at 6'9").

He looks crafty, but slow on film. He can barely jump at age 18.

But his stats are so damn gaudy. I do not think he can play C in the NBA.

I wonder if a team can convert him to a PF in the league.

Hate to make a comparison based on race/looks, but he does look like 38 year old Luis Scola with just as much speed and hops.

Just based on his stats/youth, he is lotto pick imo.

Luis Scola's single-season high for dunks in the NBA was 7. His single-season high for blocks per game was 0.6. So yeah, pretty clear race is pulling a lot of weight for you there.

[No-Man]

Sengün is probably 6'10/6-11 in shoes the way measurements work

Sengün isn't Sabonis' level of athletic but he def has more pop than Scola, I think Scola is a good comp though, Kevin Love high end too

[Mirotic12]

He isn't center sized, would be bad if he measures 6'7"-6'8" without shoes (listed at 6'9").

He looks crafty, but slow on film. He can barely jump at age 18.

But his stats are so damn gaudy. I do not think he can play C in the NBA.

I wonder if a team can convert him to a PF in the league.

Hate to make a comparison based on race/looks, but he does look like 38 year old Luis Scola with just as much speed and hops.

Just based on his stats/youth, he is lotto pick imo.

he's gonna have to be some type of combo big because again, he lacks C size and rim protection, also probably below average mobility for a PF in the NBA, so it'll come down to his shot and ball skills...I think the shot is pretty scalable, looks like he can easily develop a reliable outside shot, has a + handle and can pass out of double teams and from the post, obviously the prod is ridiculous combined with his age along with how good he is in the paint make him a first rounder, but I think lotto tbh with his questionable high end potential is too rich for my taste. 18-25 range is probably a better slot for him imo.

He's listed at 6-10 barefoot. We have this same discussion in these forums on every single European draft prospect............they are always claimed to be about 2 inches shorter than they really are. The NBA marketing gimmicks about how "all players in the NBA are bigger, taller" etc. really has paid off.

Just a few months ago we had numerous people swearing that for sure Poku was no more than 6-9 or at most 6-10, and that he would clearly measure at that in the USA. But he measured at over 7 feet barefoot in USA, and we never heard another thing about how he was only 6-9 or 6-10. Believe it or not, they have tall players in Europe also.

At 6-10 barefoot, Sengun definitely has center size, especially in the current NBA.

We can just go back to all the posts in Poku's draft thread and see all the posts there about how he had to be no taller than 6-9 or 6-10 at best. This is the same nonsense here being said about Sengun.

[UcanUwill]

I remember Turkoglu giving an interview during his first couple of year where he was saying he got taller even after he went to NBA.
As far as I remember, he reached to 2.08 from 2.06 and he was exactly 21 years old when he was drafted. So, Alperen may also get an inch taller with proper nutrition and so on.

regarding the never ending discussion of needing to play for a Euroleague team, as i mentioned earlier, i totally disagree. Such young players are almost never counted on Euroleague. Had he joined to an Euroleague team, he wouldn't have received even the quarter of the playing time he receives now. So, none of you would have heard about him.

his fellow countryman, 76'ers' rainmaker korkmaz warmed Anadolu Efes' bench - a Euroleague team - for almost 2 years wasting his years. okey his body was far from ready back then but his talent would have definitely received a playing time elsewhere. Kanter did not have proper playing time either before moving to USA for NCAA and he also wasted, if i am not mistaken, 2 years of his time being ineligible to play due to NCAA regulations.

Believe it or not, he is exactly where he is supposed to be. Euroleague hype is not that important.

Comparison of his eventual fate to Darko Milicic is also absurd because he ended up being drafted ahead of wade and melo, in one of the richest draft classes in the history of the game. So, the mental pressure Milicic received back then as far as the expectations was concerned ( also remember he was drafted by a defending champions ) was probably unbearable for an 18 years old player.

finally i agree with the draft range mentioned above. i would rather hope him being drafted by Spurs in 23rd place than going for lotto. Assuming, they are likely to say "thank you" to guys like Aldridge and Gay, it would probably be a dream come true for him to work with legendary Greg Popovich and possibly workout with #21.

Its good he blew up on average Turkish team, but at this point he can easily get minutes in Euroleague.