Fake Trade Thread #3

[JDR720]

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[Roll Tide 09]

Alright, I’ve said it several times since I’ve started engaging in these threads again. It’s time to trade PJ Washington. McDaniels can give us similar production with playing time.

[Rays Pompadour]

I want something to happen, too. The Hornets need to address critical faults in their roster.

But trading Washington now is a sell-low proposition. PJ came into this season like he was still in college. He lazed in the offseason and failed to put in the work needed to improve. Now in his sophomore season, he's learning the hard way that you can't skate by on talent and puffery from your friends.

Someone will sit the young man down and point out how much money he's losing by not taking his job seriously. Maybe Monk will be that guy. But the talk won't happen until the season is over. And until it happens, the Hornets will continue to see a player who doesn't know how to push through physical and emotional barriers.

Why trade for such a player? Much worse, why trade something of value for such a player? If you're the Hornets, why accept a lesser value? Is there addition by attraction? Is there a real beneficial trade out there? I doubt the scenario.

Bottom line, I think the Hornets are content with their roster of young players and second rounders playing major minutes. Keeping Washington would be a continuation of that philosophy, which we have zero evidence they want to change.

[Soul Rebel]

Can't trade PJ unless the return is outstanding. The kid is 22 years old......22. He had a great rookie year and hit a wall. He came into camp out of shape, but has taken the feedback well. He didn't pout or take to social media...he owned it and is starting to get back to what we saw last year. He's not perfect, but he is a very young piece of our future.

Our losses and deficiencies are a pattern that anyone can see. We need an upgrade at the 5 and it needs to happen while we are still running hot. I hope something gets done over the ASB.

We've been winning on the road without GH and DG, and to a lesser extent, Zeller. If we can upgrade at center and limit Biyombo and Zeller, we'll be in the upper tier of the East this year.

It is definitely getting frustrating watching us get abused inside.

[Rays Pompadour]

ESPN paid service https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30956653/five-big-trades-want-see-2021-nba-trade-deadline talks trades they'd like to see. Charlotte is in on two of them because they have cap room, meaning they get basically nothing except Jake Layman (Minnesota), a second rounder or some cap space for the offseason.

I think smarter people can do better than massaging Charlotte's cap space to shoehorn wannabe trades that otherwise wouldn't happen. Still, good to see that the Hornets' cap space has come value, at least in theory.

[Diop]

I don’t think we will trade anyone. Just my gut feeling, they like them all

[Roll Tide 09]

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I don’t think we will trade anyone. Just my gut feeling, they like them all

Your gut feeling is probably correct...and if it is, I’d like to see more of Nick Richards or Vernon Carey. No way could they be less productive than Biyombo.

[JMAC3]

Athletic article has us and Celtics linked to Vucevic trade.

Would be expensive to acquire him. But his deal is super reasonable declining each year. 26, 24, 22.

[yosemiteben]

Athletic article has us and Celtics linked to Vucevic trade.

Would be expensive to acquire him. But his deal is super reasonable declining each year. 26, 24, 22.

Interesting. Not sure how much his voice carries weight down in Orlando, but Cliff seemed to be a fan of Cody so could be a voice of support down there.

ETA: Looking at Vuc's current salary, for this to work we pretty much have to send out one of Gordo, Terry, or Cody. Cody seems the obvious choice, so if we send him out we need to include around $6M in other salaries to make the salaries work. That will be tough to do without giving up one of PJ, Monk, or Bridges, and one of those guys needs to be included to get ORL to the table.

Thoughts on Cody + Bridges + Caleb Martin for Vuc?

[BlackOutBuzz]

"Rival teams expect haul would be massive."

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[James Gatz]

Athletic article has us and Celtics linked to Vucevic trade.

Would be expensive to acquire him. But his deal is super reasonable declining each year. 26, 24, 22.

Interesting. Not sure how much his voice carries weight down in Orlando, but Cliff seemed to be a fan of Cody so could be a voice of support down there.

ETA: Looking at Vuc's current salary, for this to work we pretty much have to send out one of Gordo, Terry, or Cody. Cody seems the obvious choice, so if we send him out we need to include around $6M in other salaries to make the salaries work. That will be tough to do without giving up one of PJ, Monk, or Bridges, and one of those guys needs to be included to get ORL to the table.

Thoughts on Cody + Bridges + Caleb Martin for Vuc?

It would start with Cody + Bridges/PJ + 2021 1st unprotected. They'd likely want an additional 1st as well. No way is giving up that many assets for a team that probably couldn't make the 2nd round.

I don't like Vuc fit with Ball either. We need a defensive rim runner, not an offensive hub.

[yosemiteben]

Yeah, was listening to a Hornets podcast the other day (Locked on Hornets) and they made a good point - if we're sold that Ball is the future and a foundational piece we should build around, what type of pieces make sense for that?

Ball is so talented and malleable that I think he can fit with lots of different pieces. Adding a top tier offensive weapon that is not ball dominant is very interesting, but not clear he helps us on defense or on the boards. He would absolutely elevate this team to playoff contender in the short term though.

It would not take much to convince me to give up a 1st and Miles to upgrade from an expiring Cody to a locked down Vuc. A starting 5 of Ball - Terry - Gordo - PJ - Vuc is NICE.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Yeah, was listening to a Hornets podcast the other day (Locked on Hornets) and they made a good point - if we're sold that Ball is the future and a foundational piece we should build around, what type of pieces make sense for that?

Ball is so talented and malleable that I think he can fit with lots of different pieces. Adding a top tier offensive weapon that is not ball dominant is very interesting, but not clear he helps us on defense or on the boards. He would absolutely elevate this team to playoff contender in the short term though.

It would not take much to convince me to give up a 1st and Miles to upgrade from an expiring Cody to a locked down Vuc. A starting 5 of Ball - Terry - Gordo - PJ - Vuc is NICE.

going to take a lot more than Miles & a 1st to get Vuc. Probably starts with PJ & a 1st + filler to make it work. Have to think since this has leaked they talked and got no further than that

[yosemiteben]

Yeah, was listening to a Hornets podcast the other day (Locked on Hornets) and they made a good point - if we're sold that Ball is the future and a foundational piece we should build around, what type of pieces make sense for that?

Ball is so talented and malleable that I think he can fit with lots of different pieces. Adding a top tier offensive weapon that is not ball dominant is very interesting, but not clear he helps us on defense or on the boards. He would absolutely elevate this team to playoff contender in the short term though.

It would not take much to convince me to give up a 1st and Miles to upgrade from an expiring Cody to a locked down Vuc. A starting 5 of Ball - Terry - Gordo - PJ - Vuc is NICE.

going to take a lot more than Miles & a 1st to get Vuc. Probably starts with PJ & a 1st + filler to make it work. Have to think since this has leaked they talked and got no further than that

I actually thought they might value Bridges above PJ. I'm not convinced which of them I find to be the most valuable on a day to day basis.

[Soul Rebel]

I would agree that it starts with one of Miles or PJ, one of VCJ/Richards, a first and probably one other piece....would they ask for Terry or Monk? I don't think DG makes sense for them with Anthony running the point.

For me, if we're tapping into the Magic's frontcourt, Bamba would be waaaay less and would give us more of a defensive presence.

I'm happy with either. Vucevic is a little older and more of an offensive guy, but 100% his presence would be a huge upgrade to our overall roster. He also fits in the Hayward window from a contract and age standpoint too.

I think if we did move on Vucevic, it would also be Mitch showing Ball that he is committed to surrounding him with talent and not wasting his time in Charlotte. Little things like this could sway Ball one way or the other as he enters contract years.

[Nyce_1]

Not sure what our FO is thinking, and hard to trade within the division, but if it's down to Bos/Char, I really would rather trade Vuc to you guys.

**** Boston (unless they're giving us Brown, lol)

[basketballRob]

Athletic article has us and Celtics linked to Vucevic trade.

Would be expensive to acquire him. But his deal is super reasonable declining each year. 26, 24, 22.

Interesting. Not sure how much his voice carries weight down in Orlando, but Cliff seemed to be a fan of Cody so could be a voice of support down there.

ETA: Looking at Vuc's current salary, for this to work we pretty much have to send out one of Gordo, Terry, or Cody. Cody seems the obvious choice, so if we send him out we need to include around $6M in other salaries to make the salaries work. That will be tough to do without giving up one of PJ, Monk, or Bridges, and one of those guys needs to be included to get ORL to the table.

Thoughts on Cody + Bridges + Caleb Martin for Vuc?

I was thinking more like Cody, Monk, and next year's pick to start.

We don't need a PF.

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[yosemiteben]

For me Monk is almost found money. If we as a franchise are Terry believers, then Monk is a bench guy. He's shown he can be a far better finisher than Graham even if his perimeter shooting regresses. He's not the same as a facilitator, and I'd say they are both firmly below average as defenders.

I wouldn't hate Cody + Monk + 1st, and rolling with our rotation for the next couple seasons consisting of Ball, Terry, Gordo, PJ, Vuc, Graham, and Miles. We then round out the rotation with a variety of Martin twins, prospects, and FA pickups. Need Graham to come back on a top tier bench guy deal rather than a starter deal, not sure whether he'd do that.

[basketballRob]

For me Monk is almost found money. If we as a franchise are Terry believers, then Monk is a bench guy. He's shown he can be a far better finisher than Graham even if his perimeter shooting regresses. He's not the same as a facilitator, and I'd say they are both firmly below average as defenders.

I wouldn't hate Cody + Monk + 1st, and rolling with our rotation for the next couple seasons consisting of Ball, Terry, Gordo, PJ, Vuc, Graham, and Miles. We then round out the rotation with a variety of Martin twins, prospects, and FA pickups. Need Graham to come back on a top tier bench guy deal rather than a starter deal, not sure whether he'd do that.

It makes sense for both teams.

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[vexco]

I'd like to keep Monk in any deal, honestly. I think he fits alongside Ball. I'm ready to move on from Graham, though.