Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[sixers hoops]

I’d be firmly looking at Oladipo/Derozan.

Lowry too if it is ever avaliable.

Can’t see us getting Lavine/Beal

Either way it’s going to be the same old thing in the playoffs (1 seeds our only chance doubt that will probably be 3rd seed. But there’s too many questions marks still).

Yeah. Not a lot of ideal trades out there.

Alec Burks- I liked him but he has been struggling with the shot the last month.

Eric Gordon- don’t see us taking on that salary.

Lowry- don’t see his price being cheap.

Patty Mills- Spurs don’t look like sellers.

George Hill- mentioned as a buyout candidate.

Bledsoe- maybe available for cheap.

Maybe Delon Wright

Not a lot of realistic ideas for players beyond this season with our salary issues.

[ProcessDoctor]

Harris/Bradley/Korkmaz for Oladipo/Gordon/Tucker


Curry(24)/Gordon(24)
Oladipo(32)/Milton(16)
Green(28)/Thybulle(20)
Simmons(34)/Tucker(14)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)


Curry/Gordon/Maxey
Oladipo/Milton/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Simmons/Tucker/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Poirer


In the off-season, if things don’t pan out, let everyone expire and use Gordon + Maxey + picks to acquire LaVine.

[Sportfan73]

****, really? I figured we could just resign him without cap space. If that's the case, I'd rather keep Tobias.

Yeah, rough numbers, we are already guaranteed in the $116 million range with Embiid, Simmons, Tobias, Shake, Maxey, Seth, Matisse, and Joe. Very good chance Josh Harris caps us in the 130-135 range. I’m sure we will add six or seven guys on minimum and rookie contracts, but may only have about $10 million to grab another starter. Tobias, Embiid, and Ben take us 75% to luxury tax threshold.

So we'd have to trade Tobias, Maxey and a pick.

Why are we even considering it? That's bonkers.

By the way we can afford to keep Kyle and Tobias if that was the case. He’s just making the assumption that they wouldn’t pay to keep Lowry and be repeat tax offenders, but it’s not like it’s something that isn’t allowed

[sixers hoops]

Yeah, rough numbers, we are already guaranteed in the $116 million range with Embiid, Simmons, Tobias, Shake, Maxey, Seth, Matisse, and Joe. Very good chance Josh Harris caps us in the 130-135 range. I’m sure we will add six or seven guys on minimum and rookie contracts, but may only have about $10 million to grab another starter. Tobias, Embiid, and Ben take us 75% to luxury tax threshold.

So we'd have to trade Tobias, Maxey and a pick.

Why are we even considering it? That's bonkers.

By the way we can afford to keep Kyle and Tobias if that was the case. He’s just making the assumption that they wouldn’t pay to keep Lowry and be repeat tax offenders, but it’s not like it’s something that isn’t allowed

Yeah. I said that explicitly in my post. “ Very good chance Josh Harris caps us in the 130-135 range.”

It’s the fantasy thread, but I try to deal in reality.

[Sportfan73]

So we'd have to trade Tobias, Maxey and a pick.

Why are we even considering it? That's bonkers.

By the way we can afford to keep Kyle and Tobias if that was the case. He’s just making the assumption that they wouldn’t pay to keep Lowry and be repeat tax offenders, but it’s not like it’s something that isn’t allowed

Yeah. I said that explicitly in my post. “ Very good chance Josh Harris caps us in the 130-135 range.”

It’s the fantasy thread, but I try to deal in reality.

There hasn’t been a single report out saying that Harris had that plan, now don’t get me wrong I don’t see us trading for someone on a multi year bad deal and taking picks back or something, but if it’s going all in to win this or next year I don’t see us shying away from being repeaters

[sixers hoops]

By the way we can afford to keep Kyle and Tobias if that was the case. He’s just making the assumption that they wouldn’t pay to keep Lowry and be repeat tax offenders, but it’s not like it’s something that isn’t allowed

Yeah. I said that explicitly in my post. “ Very good chance Josh Harris caps us in the 130-135 range.”

It’s the fantasy thread, but I try to deal in reality.

There hasn’t been a single report out saying that Harris had that plan, now don’t get me wrong I don’t see us trading for someone on a multi year bad deal and taking picks back or something, but if it’s going all in to win this or next year I don’t see us shying away from being repeaters

You do realize that a few weeks into the pandemic he was the first owner in the league to try to cut a large majority of his employees, and give a 20% cut to all salaried employees? Josh Harris is one of the biggest scumbags on the planet who cares only about profit. If he thinks he is guaranteed a championship and the subsequent revenue, then I could see him approving paying the repeater tax for a season; however, to trade for Lowry and re-sign him to a multi-year contract which would guarantee several years of repeater tax is unrealistic in my opinion. They would trade Tobias or Ben ultimately, but Harris isn’t locking in to several years repeater tax to re-sign Lowry.

[sixers4real]

Sixers out: Scott, Korkmaz, Bradley, Ferguson, 2021 FRP, Horfords TPE
Sixers in: Aminu, Fournier

Bulls out: Felicio
Bulls in: Horford TPE

Magic out: Fournier, Aminu
Magic in: Scott, Korkmaz, Ferguson, Bradley, Felicio, 2021 Sixers FRP

C - Embiid / Howard / Pourier
F - Harris / Aminu / Reed
F - Green / Thybulle / Joe
G - Fournier / Curry / Joe
G - Simmons / Milton / Maxey

[the_process]

Sixers out: Scott, Korkmaz, Bradley, Ferguson, 2021 FRP, Horfords TPE
Sixers in: Aminu, Fournier

Bulls out: Felicio
Bulls in: Horford TPE

Magic out: Fournier, Aminu
Magic in: Scott, Korkmaz, Ferguson, Bradley, Felicio, 2021 Sixers FRP

C - Embiid / Howard / Pourier
F - Harris / Aminu / Reed
F - Green / Thybulle / Joe
G - Fournier / Curry / Joe
G - Simmons / Milton / Maxey

You can't trade tor guy into your TPE and then aggregate (add him with other players) him immediately. There is a waiting period. I think at this point the waiting period takes you past the deadline.

Also, to the idea of taking a player into the Horford TPE and then re-flipping him again immediately by himself for a bigger salary... there is a term for that I do not remember. But the gist of it I think is while not technically illegal it violates the spirit of the salary cap and could lead to the trade getting vetoed or worse.

[sixers4real]

Sixers out: Scott, Korkmaz, Bradley, Ferguson, 2021 FRP, Horfords TPE
Sixers in: Aminu, Fournier

Bulls out: Felicio
Bulls in: Horford TPE

Magic out: Fournier, Aminu
Magic in: Scott, Korkmaz, Ferguson, Bradley, Felicio, 2021 Sixers FRP

C - Embiid / Howard / Pourier
F - Harris / Aminu / Reed
F - Green / Thybulle / Joe
G - Fournier / Curry / Joe
G - Simmons / Milton / Maxey

You can't trade tor guy into your TPE and then aggregate (add him with other players) him immediately. There is a waiting period. I think at this point the waiting period takes you past the deadline.

Also, to the idea of taking a player into the Horford TPE and then re-flipping him again immediately by himself for a bigger salary... there is a term for that I do not remember. But the gist of it I think is while not technically illegal it violates the spirit of the salary cap and could lead to the trade getting vetoed or worse.

I didn’t know that. Thanks man. Then we can just trade Scott Bradley Korkmaz and Ferguson and 2021 FRP for Fournier.

[DCasey91]

Just on the owner thing (owners have destroyed more teams than good ones being created but that goes for all sports worldwide).

Because of the economic fallout out this year. Cutting costs would be per normal. On circumstance alone, I think this year is the safe one financially speaking (though in terms of team chances comp wide this is the perfect time to strike it’s very open). Late this year the outlook in terms of finances will be a lot clearer good or bad.

Realistically speaking it wouldn’t surprise if there is a consistent trend with the owner (repeat patterns emerge) deadline through to the offseason. I don’t have the time currently to pull up all the moves, since the owner came.

But if it is for the almighty dollar in the end over team aspirations well I’ve made peace with that for quite awhile. I’ll enjoy Embiid/Simmons for their whole tenure. We are lucky to get one good one, let alone two. We will get playoff ball each year which some teams haven’t for a long long time.

Sure a championship should be number a one priority to the fans. But higher ups more than people would know have different agendas because the margins each year can be quite handsome (obv not this case from the start of last year or even more so the case because of the trillions in return to the rich from last year). The smart rich ones though would have made a killing so there’s a flip side to that coin (I’m guessing balmer is rolled to the hills now even more than before) so watch the Clippers.

[51X3RF4N]

I was thinking about how this year's deadline comes so late in the season with only 18 games left after deadline day.

Does that make Morey more inclined to make a bigger move sooner, or to stick with the plan at the deadline and make smaller moves for depth?

Role players don't take as long to gel with a team as ball dominant perimeter scorers like LaVine.

And with all the talk of chemistry in the locker room, I get the feeling that the closer we get to March 25th, the less likely a star is brought in, and Morey is less motivated to break up the starting lineup by including Green in any deals.

All the "vibes" point to like, 3 smaller moves being made.

1) TPE used to bring in a stretch 4/5 like Tucker/Markkanen/Bjelica. Picks sent out.
2) Ferguson/Bradley/Scott salary being used to grab a PG like Wright or Hill.
3) Buyout market to fill in a vet looking for a ring.

Embiid/Howard
Harris/Bjelica
Simmons/Thybulle
Green/Shake/JJ
Curry/Hill

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[sixers4real]

I was thinking about how this year's deadline comes so late in the season with only 18 games left after deadline day.

Does that make Morey more inclined to make a bigger move sooner, or to stick with the plan at the deadline and make smaller moves for depth?

Role players don't take as long to gel with a team as ball dominant perimeter scorers like LaVine.

And with all the talk of chemistry in the locker room, I get the feeling that the closer we get to March 25th, the less likely a star is brought in, and Morey is less motivated to break up the starting lineup by including Green in any deals.

All the "vibes" point to like, 3 smaller moves being made.

1) TPE used to bring in a stretch 4/5 like Tucker/Markkanen/Bjelica. Picks sent out.
2) Ferguson/Bradley/Scott salary being used to grab a PG like Wright or Hill.
3) Buyout market to fill in a vet looking for a ring.

Embiid/Howard
Harris/Bjelica
Simmons/Thybulle
Green/Shake/JJ
Curry/Hill

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Man, Sixers have 27 or 28 games after March 25th.

[51X3RF4N]

I was thinking about how this year's deadline comes so late in the season with only 18 games left after deadline day.

Does that make Morey more inclined to make a bigger move sooner, or to stick with the plan at the deadline and make smaller moves for depth?

Role players don't take as long to gel with a team as ball dominant perimeter scorers like LaVine.

And with all the talk of chemistry in the locker room, I get the feeling that the closer we get to March 25th, the less likely a star is brought in, and Morey is less motivated to break up the starting lineup by including Green in any deals.

All the "vibes" point to like, 3 smaller moves being made.

1) TPE used to bring in a stretch 4/5 like Tucker/Markkanen/Bjelica. Picks sent out.
2) Ferguson/Bradley/Scott salary being used to grab a PG like Wright or Hill.
3) Buyout market to fill in a vet looking for a ring.

Embiid/Howard
Harris/Bjelica
Simmons/Thybulle
Green/Shake/JJ
Curry/Hill

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Man, Sixers have 27 or 28 games after March 25th.

Maybe I misread this, or Keith is once again wrong...

"So Doc Rivers would have to find a way to mesh him with the current roster. That could take some time. Assuming a deal is made right at the March 25 deadline, the Sixers would have to ask themselves if the final 18 games of the regular season is enough time to do that."

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[Kobblehead]

What about this trade?

Mike Scott, Vincent Pourier, Terrance Ferguson, our 2021 second rounder (projected at #57)

for

Cory Joseph

Why for Sacramento? They get a 2nd rounder and immediate cap relief this summer instead of having to pay Joseph's partial guarantee next year.

Why for us? We get a creator with experience that can score in the halfcourt to run with our second unit since Maxey isn't ready yet.

[sixers4real]

What about this trade?

Mike Scott, Vincent Pourier, Terrance Ferguson, our 2021 second rounder (projected at #57)

for

Cory Joseph

Why for Sacramento? They get a 2nd rounder and immediate cap relief this summer instead of having to pay Joseph's partial guarantee next year.

Why for us? We get a creator with experience that can score in the halfcourt to run with our second unit since Maxey isn't ready yet.

I can’t exactly call Cory Joseph a creator. I would much rather have Evan Fournier for about the same price with exchange of FRP instead of 2nd. But of course if Evan Fournier will be available.

[Kobblehead]

Only 28% of Cory Joseph career buckets inside the arc are assisted. Of course he's a creator. He's just not a dynamic scorer. Very low maintenance player. Picks his spots.

What's the appeal in Fournier? I get that he's tall and a willing spacer, but his ability to put the ball on the floor and get buckets is extremely compromised. His scoring production in bad offenses on terrible Orlando teams over the last half decade is incredibly fake. And he's an expiring contract.

[Sportfan73]

Only 28% of Cory Joseph career buckets inside the arc are assisted. Of course he's a creator. He's just not a dynamic scorer. Very low maintenance player. Picks his spots.

What's the appeal in Fournier? I get that he's tall and a willing spacer, but his ability to put the ball on the floor and get buckets is extremely compromised. His scoring production in bad offenses on terrible Orlando teams over the last half decade is incredibly fake. And he's an expiring contract.

I like the Joseph idea. It’s not like we couldn’t stagger shake and Ben even if we start shake

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, I'm thinking of 4th or 5th place division finish teams that have a vet creator that can compete defensively. Guys like Delon Wright and Cory Joseph seem like logical trade targets. Especially if the cost is only a 2nd rounder. I wouldn't pay more than that for those guys, though. It depends how realistic the GMs of those players are in trade negotiations.

I wonder if there's a chance that T.J. McConnell gets bought out. He fits the mold, as well.

[Sportfan73]

Yeah, I'm thinking of 4th or 5th place division finish teams that have a vet creator that can compete defensively. Guys like Delon Wright and Cory Joseph seem like logical trade targets. Especially if the cost is only a 2nd rounder. I wouldn't pay more than that for those guys, though. It depends how realistic the GMs of those players are in trade negotiations.

I wonder if there's a chance that T.J. McConnell gets bought out. He fits the mold, as well.

I like Joseph being a guy we could keep for next year to play next to maxey in the second unit

[BullyKing]

Yeah, I'm thinking of 4th or 5th place division finish teams that have a vet creator that can compete defensively. Guys like Delon Wright and Cory Joseph seem like logical trade targets. Especially if the cost is only a 2nd rounder. I wouldn't pay more than that for those guys, though. It depends how realistic the GMs of those players are in trade negotiations.

I wonder if there's a chance that T.J. McConnell gets bought out. He fits the mold, as well.

I'm not even sure it would cost you that for Joseph. He's fallen pretty far out of favor in Sacramento so I think they'd be happy to just get rid of his partial guarantee for next year.