Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[Kilroy]

We can try and overvalue him forever but kuzma needs to go. I know Jeanie has a hard on for kuzma but he’s really not effective and has never been consistent. I would imagine kuzma and THT will have to be discussed to be traded soon. Caruso fits our team better than he would fit other teams (similar to how Sasha, Walton, fisher, and others have been good fits for us and bad fits everyone else).

Kuz has been playing a lot better lately since his start, but he still feels like the square peg... But he can't really be traded this year, either, so I'm sure that's the reason his name isn't being mentioned more right now.
I would honestly be shocked if he's still a Laker this time next season though. He's the only player of reasonable value with no real role or in a position of need on this team.

[Slava]

I've been as low on Kuz as anyone over the years but he's been playing the best two way basketball of his career right now and his contract looks like a market value deal for a wing who can be a triple threat on offense and solid on defense. His rebounding percentage has spiked to a career high as well. Only thing lagging is his 3 point shooting numbers staying stagnant as compared to his rookie season while playing alongside LeBron and AD.

[Kilroy]

I've been as low on Kuz as anyone over the years but he's been playing the best two way basketball of his career right now and his contract looks like a market value deal for a wing who can be a triple threat on offense and solid on defense. His rebounding percentage has spiked to a career high as well. Only thing lagging is his 3 point shooting numbers staying stagnant as compared to his rookie season while playing alongside LeBron and AD.

Yeah, agreed... No question he's playing his best ball right now. My thing is that despite that, he still seems like an awkward fit with this roster. He plays like a LeBron-lite role which would be great off the bench, but only plays really inspired ball, in the starting lineup.
To be clear, personally, I'd be fine keeping him (and Caruso, and THT, and Gasol honestly), but if we're looking for a trade asset, Kuz is the most logical choice.

[chefy]

he doesnt have the best bball IQ. low key reminds me of Sasha Vujacic.

he gets tunnel vision most of the time.

he makes one or two three point shots and watch him disregard doing other things on offense and just start bombing threes like his Ray Allen.

[Kilroy]

he doesnt have the best bball IQ. low key reminds me of Sasha Vujacic.

he gets tunnel vision most of the time.

he makes one or two three point shots and watch him disregard doing other things on offense and just start bombing threes like his Ray Allen.

Devean George

[Slava]

I've been as low on Kuz as anyone over the years but he's been playing the best two way basketball of his career right now and his contract looks like a market value deal for a wing who can be a triple threat on offense and solid on defense. His rebounding percentage has spiked to a career high as well. Only thing lagging is his 3 point shooting numbers staying stagnant as compared to his rookie season while playing alongside LeBron and AD.

Yeah, agreed... No question he's playing his best ball right now. My thing is that despite that, he still seems like an awkward fit with this roster. He plays like a LeBron-lite role which would be great off the bench, but only plays really inspired ball, in the starting lineup.
To be clear, personally, I'd be fine keeping him (and Caruso, and THT, and Gasol honestly), but if we're looking for a trade asset, Kuz is the most logical choice.

The thing is, unless you get a big wing in return, there's no way to replace him. THT is even more raw and if anything, Harrell moving on to better money might open the space to retain our young dudes as his position is redundant with AD, LeBron, Kuz, Morris etc who all offer more versatility in addition.

[reamily]

Is there a chance that Evan Fournier can be bought out?

[zimpy27]

I've been as low on Kuz as anyone over the years but he's been playing the best two way basketball of his career right now and his contract looks like a market value deal for a wing who can be a triple threat on offense and solid on defense. His rebounding percentage has spiked to a career high as well. Only thing lagging is his 3 point shooting numbers staying stagnant as compared to his rookie season while playing alongside LeBron and AD.

Yeah, agreed... No question he's playing his best ball right now. My thing is that despite that, he still seems like an awkward fit with this roster. He plays like a LeBron-lite role which would be great off the bench, but only plays really inspired ball, in the starting lineup.
To be clear, personally, I'd be fine keeping him (and Caruso, and THT, and Gasol honestly), but if we're looking for a trade asset, Kuz is the most logical choice.

The thing is, unless you get a big wing in return, there's no way to replace him. THT is even more raw and if anything, Harrell moving on to better money might open the space to retain our young dudes as his position is redundant with AD, LeBron, Kuz, Morris etc who all offer more versatility in addition.

Matthews was meant to be the SF backup I imagine. Hasn't been a good use of that BAE yet.

[Slava]

Yeah, agreed... No question he's playing his best ball right now. My thing is that despite that, he still seems like an awkward fit with this roster. He plays like a LeBron-lite role which would be great off the bench, but only plays really inspired ball, in the starting lineup.
To be clear, personally, I'd be fine keeping him (and Caruso, and THT, and Gasol honestly), but if we're looking for a trade asset, Kuz is the most logical choice.

The thing is, unless you get a big wing in return, there's no way to replace him. THT is even more raw and if anything, Harrell moving on to better money might open the space to retain our young dudes as his position is redundant with AD, LeBron, Kuz, Morris etc who all offer more versatility in addition.

Matthews was meant to be the SF backup I imagine. Hasn't been a good use of that BAE yet.

Yeah, I still hope he picks it up as he'll be invaluable in a potential Clippers or Jazz match up. I haven't seen anyone defend LeBron as effectively as he did last season in the Milwaukee away game. Its still a good position to have numbers at. Lakers can throw THT, Matthews, Kuz, LeBron or AD on bigger wings, Caruso, Schröder, KCP on quicker guards.

[Beethoven]

Package up Wes + THT for PJ Tucker

[Kilroy]

Package up Wes + THT for PJ Tucker

I would start THT over PJ Tucker right now... The only real value PJ Tucker has is his reputation as a LeBron stopper, which we saw in the playoffs last season was greatly exaggerated...

If Wes plays Defense like he did last night, he and PJ Tucker are about a wash.

I'm down for trading Wes for something, but I'm only trading THT for some star power... I'd trade Caruso before THT and I <3 caruso...
THT has moments where he looks unstoppable in the paint and he's got a halfway decent 3pt shot, to go along with his stellar D... Someday, the kids going to get paid a boatload of money by someone, but until then, he's a keeper...

[Kilroy]

The thing is, unless you get a big wing in return, there's no way to replace him. THT is even more raw and if anything, Harrell moving on to better money might open the space to retain our young dudes as his position is redundant with AD, LeBron, Kuz, Morris etc who all offer more versatility in addition.

Matthews was meant to be the SF backup I imagine. Hasn't been a good use of that BAE yet.

Yeah, I still hope he picks it up as he'll be invaluable in a potential Clippers or Jazz match up. I haven't seen anyone defend LeBron as effectively as he did last season in the Milwaukee away game. Its still a good position to have numbers at. Lakers can throw THT, Matthews, Kuz, LeBron or AD on bigger wings, Caruso, Schröder, KCP on quicker guards.

Wes played some of the best defense I've seen from a Laker last night... He was so active and aggressive, I was worried he was going to pop a lung... If he can do that on the regular, then for the price, there's not many better options out there... I think if he got more opportunities, he'd be hitting a bunch of 3s too... But right now, that's not really happening.

[Beethoven]

ok then.

[Kilroy]

Package up Wes + THT for PJ Tucker

Well apparently we asked about Tucker, but I can't imagine we'd offer that much for him... Probably something centered around Mathews I would imagine... Which they won't accept, so it was probably just a fishing expedition. That said, I'm not sure why we would even do that...

This would be my best offer...

Tucker for Mathews/McKinnie/Cacok
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7409231

Then I'd go sign Blake Griffin, and send him to Kobe's doctors in Finland, or wherever the hell they were, for some Frozen Tiger Blood Infusions...

[NCHeels2008]

As a Lakers and Hornets fan I'd love to see something around Kuzma for Devonte Graham, not sure if both sides overvalue "their" young old guy. But Lakers could use the shooting and playmaking of Graham, who will be fine once he's healthy and Hornets could really use the size and shooting of Kuzma as they look like a band of midgets sometimes. This still won't solve their center issues but at least balances the roster better since Monk is outplaying his (former) role.

[Kilroy]

As a Lakers and Hornets fan I'd love to see something around Kuzma for Devonte Graham, not sure if both sides overvalue "their" young old guy. But Lakers could use the shooting and playmaking of Graham, who will be fine once he's healthy and Hornets could really use the size and shooting of Kuzma as they look like a band of midgets sometimes. This still won't solve their center issues but at least balances the roster better since Monk is outplaying his (former) role.

Kuzma can't be traded right now because of his new contract... So it wouldn't be a case of overvaluing...

[Slava]

Tucker isn't particularly better than any of the wings he have on the roster. Even Morris is a better shooter than him these days.

[NCHeels2008]

As a Lakers and Hornets fan I'd love to see something around Kuzma for Devonte Graham, not sure if both sides overvalue "their" young old guy. But Lakers could use the shooting and playmaking of Graham, who will be fine once he's healthy and Hornets could really use the size and shooting of Kuzma as they look like a band of midgets sometimes. This still won't solve their center issues but at least balances the roster better since Monk is outplaying his (former) role.

Kuzma can't be traded right now because of his new contract... So it wouldn't be a case of overvaluing...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2059548

I found a way to make it work and posted it on the TnT board, for the Lakers purposes the swap is the same, Graham for Kuzma. I'd only want the Hornets to do the revised deal unless they found a way to get McGee or some other center to plug the hole left by Zeller. But assuming they could find some mediocre center help I think the Hornets should want to size up from Graham to Kuzma. I also think Graham would have a field day w/ the looks LBJ, AD, Dennis create. He can also create for others when needed.

[Slava]

As a Lakers and Hornets fan I'd love to see something around Kuzma for Devonte Graham, not sure if both sides overvalue "their" young old guy. But Lakers could use the shooting and playmaking of Graham, who will be fine once he's healthy and Hornets could really use the size and shooting of Kuzma as they look like a band of midgets sometimes. This still won't solve their center issues but at least balances the roster better since Monk is outplaying his (former) role.

Kuzma can't be traded right now because of his new contract... So it wouldn't be a case of overvaluing...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2059548

I found a way to make it work and posted it on the TnT board, for the Lakers purposes the swap is the same, Graham for Kuzma. I'd only want the Hornets to do the revised deal unless they found a way to get McGee or some other center to plug the hole left by Zeller. But assuming they could find some mediocre center help I think the Hornets should want to size up from Graham to Kuzma. I also think Graham would have a field day w/ the looks LBJ, AD, Dennis create. He can also create for others when needed.

Better yet, you could do Harrell for Graham. Harrell offers a good pick and roll big to pair with Melo and Hayward plus he can play with PJ Washington.

[tamaraw08]

As a Lakers and Hornets fan I'd love to see something around Kuzma for Devonte Graham, not sure if both sides overvalue "their" young old guy. But Lakers could use the shooting and playmaking of Graham, who will be fine once he's healthy and Hornets could really use the size and shooting of Kuzma as they look like a band of midgets sometimes. This still won't solve their center issues but at least balances the roster better since Monk is outplaying his (former) role.

Kuzma can't be traded right now because of his new contract... So it wouldn't be a case of overvaluing...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2059548

I found a way to make it work and posted it on the TnT board, for the Lakers purposes the swap is the same, Graham for Kuzma. I'd only want the Hornets to do the revised deal unless they found a way to get McGee or some other center to plug the hole left by Zeller. But assuming they could find some mediocre center help I think the Hornets should want to size up from Graham to Kuzma. I also think Graham would have a field day w/ the looks LBJ, AD, Dennis create. He can also create for others when needed.

I like Graham since his Kansas tournament days but sheesh, the guy is 6-1 who shoots 34% from 3pt area, 35.2FG% with a 50.3 TS%. do you expect him to play next to another small like Schroder? Are you suggesting Dennis sits and less minutes then? Schroder plays very good defense with a 54.3 TS% and oh btw, Kuzma is listed as 6-10 whose been working extra hard on defense and rebs with a 54.1 TS%.
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