Randle vs. Porzingis

[3toheadmelo]

The Mavs are a much better team with KP on the court, whether he scores a lot of points or not.

[Statlanta]

You take KP. He looked like the Mavs defensive anchor at times last season

The Mavs defense was average last year (18th), and terrible this year (24th).


Randle has a better contract, has working knees, rebounds, isn't a diva and is on a team that's 2nd in the league defensively. We've had both, and I'd take Randle over Kristaps everyday of the week.

People picking Kristaps are doing it based on what they hope he is, and not what he actually is.

And Knicks fans were slinging mud at Randle before this season started. What happens when Thibs starts running his only star player into the ground or when the expectations actually matchup to his Knicks roster starting next season? Will they regress just like Dallas is doing

[RHODEY]

The Mavs are a much better team with KP on the court, whether he scores a lot of points or not.

They are significantly worse defensively with him on the court post injury.

[RHODEY]

You take KP. He looked like the Mavs defensive anchor at times last season

The Mavs defense was average last year (18th), and terrible this year (24th).


Randle has a better contract, has working knees, rebounds, isn't a diva and is on a team that's 2nd in the league defensively. We've had both, and I'd take Randle over Kristaps everyday of the week.

People picking Kristaps are doing it based on what they hope he is, and not what he actually is.

And Knicks fans were slinging mud at Randle before this season started. What happens when Thibs starts running his only star player into the ground or when the expectations actually matchup to his Knicks roster starting next season? Will they regress just like Dallas is doing

Nope they will likely draft lottery talent from the Dallas pick sign, add some nice free agents. enjoy more internal growth from their talented youth, and keep it pushing.

[Harry Garris]

Randle easily. As they say "best ability is availability".

They do say that, but it's a really stupid saying. The best ability is being really good at basketball. Preferably you'd rather have a guy who's a NBA superstar AND never gets hurt, but still you'd rather have a guy who can play at a superstar level some of the time over random replacement level role player who never gets hurt and can play 35 minutes a night but has no impact on winning.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You take KP. He looked like the Mavs defensive anchor at times last season

The Mavs defense was average last year (18th), and terrible this year (24th).


Randle has a better contract, has working knees, rebounds, isn't a diva and is on a team that's 2nd in the league defensively. We've had both, and I'd take Randle over Kristaps everyday of the week.

People picking Kristaps are doing it based on what they hope he is, and not what he actually is.

And Knicks fans were slinging mud at Randle before this season started. What happens when Thibs starts running his only star player into the ground or when the expectations actually matchup to his Knicks roster starting next season? Will they regress just like Dallas is doing

What does any of this have to do with the present? Most of the talk is about what Kristaps used to be, now you're talking about what we'll do in the future. Lets talk about the here and now, right now Randle is the better scorer, rebounder, passer and even a better 3 point shooter ontop of being more durable. The only thing Kristaps does better is block shots, but because of his knee injuries he can't defend in space like he used to, and you can't play him at PF which is what made him "the unicorn". You play him with a traditional big man and teams have someone they can drop back on against in the PnR, and if you play him at the 5 he's such a poor rebounder you get killed on the glass.

Randle is better than him by a very wide margin right now, and we're talking about right now, and not last year or next year.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Mavs are a much better team with KP on the court, whether he scores a lot of points or not.

The Mavs are literally 7.1 points per 100 possessions worse with KP on the court this season.

[Muha_i_samolet]

Randle easily. As they say "best ability is availability".

They do say that, but it's a really stupid saying. The best ability is being really good at basketball. Preferably you'd rather have a guy who's a NBA superstar AND never gets hurt, but still you'd rather have a guy who can play at a superstar level some of the time over random replacement level role player who never gets hurt and can play 35 minutes a night but has no impact on winning.

Randle is MUCH better at basketball than KP though

[ZB9]

The Mavs are a much better team with KP on the court, whether he scores a lot of points or not.

The Mavs are literally 7.1 points per 100 possessions worse with KP on the court this season.

Im sure that their win loss record is better with KP than without.

I care about wins and losses moreso than points per possessions stat.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Mavs are a much better team with KP on the court, whether he scores a lot of points or not.

The Mavs are literally 7.1 points per 100 possessions worse with KP on the court this season.

Im sure that their win loss record is better with KP than without.

I care about wins and losses moreso than points per possessions stat.

The Mavs are 10-9 with KP. 7-7 without him.

So not "much better", since that was your own way of measuring his impact.

Let me know if you need any more Ls

[SF_Warriors]

Randle easily. As they say "best ability is availability".

They do say that, but it's a really stupid saying. The best ability is being really good at basketball. Preferably you'd rather have a guy who's a NBA superstar AND never gets hurt, but still you'd rather have a guy who can play at a superstar level some of the time over random replacement level role player who never gets hurt and can play 35 minutes a night but has no impact on winning.

I think the poster was referring to two players of similar talent level. Obviously having a g league level player available all the time won't do anything.

[urgal]

Per 36:
A: 24.3 / 9.3 / 1.7 / 46.9 FG%
B: 22.9 / 10.7 / 5.4 / 48.3 FG %

Clearly one is so much better
Porzingis can **** around and still gives you the same production easily

[Hussien Fatal]

Kristaps never plays.

[ZB9]

The Mavs are literally 7.1 points per 100 possessions worse with KP on the court this season.

Im sure that their win loss record is better with KP than without.

I care about wins and losses moreso than points per possessions stat.

The Mavs are 10-9 with KP. 7-7 without him.

So not "much better", since that was your own way of measuring his impact.

Let me know if you need any more Ls

12-8 with him

6-8 without him

I said their record is better with him than without him and it is. That is just a fact.

[Pharmcat]

the randle vs porzingis debate is just a division because the issue still is the knicks mismanaged KP and traded him for pennies on the dollar (compared to when pho was willing to give up the #4 for him and they did not max out on his value).

[Apz]

Need to remove east and west conferences. I mean randle is so good so if he had played in the west he would have worse stats due harder competition. Atm knicks are 5th in east, if they had been in west with that record they wojld have been 11th (probably worse).

So bringing up team record or even individuall stats is not that great. People even said when randle signed with knicks he would be an allstar there, while never even close in the west.

Its just 2 different leagues. Differnence between west and east is like east and euroleague

[dakomish23]

I still think these two together would make a helluva tandem

[bronxknicksfan1]

Per 36:
A: 24.3 / 9.3 / 1.7 / 46.9 FG%
B: 22.9 / 10.7 / 5.4 / 48.3 FG %

Clearly one is so much better
Porzingis can **** around and still gives you the same production easily

Per 36 would matter if KP could consistently be on the floor for 36 min.

[HeartBreakKid]

Need to remove east and west conferences. I mean randle is so good so if he had played in the west he would have worse stats due harder competition. Atm knicks are 5th in east, if they had been in west with that record they wojld have been 11th (probably worse).

So bringing up team record or even individuall stats is not that great. People even said when randle signed with knicks he would be an allstar there, while never even close in the west.

Its just 2 different leagues. Differnence between west and east is like east and euroleague

The Knicks record would probably be worse in the West, but where on earth are you getting that a players stats would be worse if they switch conference?

That sounds like bro science. Players switch conference all the time...

[bronxknicksfan1]

Need to remove east and west conferences. I mean randle is so good so if he had played in the west he would have worse stats due harder competition. Atm knicks are 5th in east, if they had been in west with that record they wojld have been 11th (probably worse).

So bringing up team record or even individuall stats is not that great. People even said when randle signed with knicks he would be an allstar there, while never even close in the west.

Its just 2 different leagues. Differnence between west and east is like east and euroleague

Looks like someone is grasping for straws to make an argument.

Randle is averaging 22.7/12/5.1 on .568 TS% percentage against the Western Conference. Think his stats would be just fine.