Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[moocow007]

You don't know that. Either do I. But it is a possibility. Also, I'm not saying that they are LBJ or Duncan level of talent. That's a ridiculous comparison. But they could end up being all-stars. All of them have all-star potential. Which means if we were to get one of them, it could change the trajectory of the franchise.

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

What's a great asset? A (potential) top 5 pick? Which with the way the odds are is EXTREMELY difficult to guarantee right now even if the team is a bottom 5 team.

And here is the top 5 picks from every draft since 2000 up to 2019 (not fair to judge the 2020 prospects yet).

What ground shaking franchise turning players were selected in the top 5 in that 20 year span? Now how many flubs were picked in the top 5? I get that folks love the fantasy of being able to draft a franchise changing player but those don't grow on trees and aren't as obvious as people think they are.

AND 19 of these 20 drafts were held BEFORE the NBA changed the lottery rules to make it even harder to tank and get a top 3 pick. You guys really need to go through the list and let reality sink in a bit. I've bolded the franchise changing guys (at least guys that I consider franchise changing). These are the guys considered superstars and that are perennial ALL NBA guys. That's 13 guys out of 100 top 5 picks over the past 20 drafts and only 6 of them were "obvious" enough to be drafted 1st overall. Then when you combine the possibility of lucking into the right draft and picking the right guy? That's astronomical.

2019
1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. De'Andre Hunter
5. Darius Garland

2018
1. DeAndre Ayton
2. Marvin Bagley
3. Luka Doncic
4. Trae Young
5. Mo Bamba

2017
1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. De'Aron Fox

2016
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Jaylen Brown
4. Dragan Bender
5. Chris Dunn

2015
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Jahlil Okafor
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Mario Hezonja

2014
1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Joel Embiid
4. Aaron Gordon
5. Dante Exum

2013
1. Anthony Bennet
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Cody Zeller
5. Alex Len

2012
1. Anthony Davis
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Bradley Beal
4. Dion Waiters
5. Thomas Robinson

2011
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Enes Kanter
4. Tristan Thompson
5. Jonas Valanciunas

2010
1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Wesley Johnson
5. DeMarcus Cousins

2009
1. Blake Griffin
2. Hasheem Thabeet
3. James Harden
4. Tyreke Evans
5. Ricky Rubio

2008
1. Derrick Rose
2. Michael Beasley
3. OJ Mayo
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Kevin Love

2007
1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Al Horford
4. Mike Conley
5. Jeff Green

2006
1. Andrea Bargnani
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Adam Morrison
4. Tyrus Thomas
5. Shelden Williams

2005
1. Andrew Bogut
2. Marvin Williams
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Raymond Felton

2004
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris

2003
1. Lebron James
2. Darko Milicic
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Chris Bosh
5. Dwayne Wade

2002
1. Yao Ming
2. Jay Williams
3. Mike Dunleavy
4. Drew Gooden
5. Nikoloz Tskitishvilli

2001
1. Kwame Brown
2. Tyson Chandler
3. Pau Gasol
4. Eddy Curry
5. Jason Richardson

2000
1. Kenyon Martin
2. Stromile Swift
3. Darius Miles
4. Marcus Fizer
5. Mike MIller

Again it's not near as easy as some of you guys are thinking to be able to draft a player that can turn your franchise around (more than Julius Randle has) "simply" by tanking and/or getting a possible top 5 pick. Even IF you luck into the 26 or so percent chance at a top 3 pick. And not only that but it has to be in the right draft AND you have to be able to pick the right guy and not the dud (more chance of dud than stud in every draft top 5 except 2003). And even from the greatest draft in NBA history (2003) it took 3 of the top 5 picks to band together (by free agency and managing cap as well as have reasons for these top 5 players to come to your team...see what I've been saying) to win a championship. And even a top 5 pick that will go down as one of the top 3-5 players in Knick history couldn't do **** all by himself.

There is only 1 guy on this list that consists of 100 players across 20 years that can single handedly change a franchise all by his lonesome. And that's your once in a generation (in this case 2 generations) guy. And even he couldn't win **** until he got at least one other superstar player to join him. If it's EXTREMELY hard to even draft one superstar player (see above), what do you think the odds of draft 2 superstar players are AND to do so within the timline of that 1st superstar player?

Yes...it can happen. But so can just about anything. I can find out tomorrow that I've the heir to the Gamestop fortune. Doesn't mean it's remotely easy to plan for.

Again, if it was that easy to tank for success or that a tank plan is a great plan then A LOT more teams would be following that plan that doesn't have one of these words tattooed to the front of their jerseys: Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Nuggets.

So what you are proposing is the Knicks trade a proven 26 year old NBA All-Star caliber player who appear to be just hitting his stride and his prime for a shot at MAYBE drafting someone that could turn out to be of similar caliber 3, 4, 5 years from now but most likely drafting someone that is worse (just look at the past 20 years) with a miniscule chance that you land someone clearly better?

[NewKnicks]

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

What's a great asset? A (potential) top 5 pick? Which with the way the odds are is EXTREMELY difficult to guarantee right now even if the team is a bottom 5 team.

And here is the top 5 picks from every draft since 2000 up to 2019 (not fair to judge the 2020 prospects yet).

What ground shaking franchise turning players were selected in the top 5 in that 20 year span? Now how many flubs were picked in the top 5? I get that folks love the fantasy of being able to draft a franchise changing player but those don't grow on trees and aren't as obvious as people think they are. And this was BEFORE the NBA changed the lottery rules to make it even harder to tank and get a top 3 pick.

2019
1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. De'Andre Hunter
5. Darius Garland

2018
1. DeAndre Ayton
2. Marvin Bagley
3. Luka Doncic
4. Trae Young
5. Mo Bamba

2017
1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. De'Aron Fox

2016
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Jaylen Brown
4. Dragan Bender
5. Chris Dunn

2015
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Jahlil Okafor
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Mario Hezonja

2014
1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Joel Embiid
4. Aaron Gordon
5. Dante Exum

2013
1. Anthony Bennet
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Cody Zeller
5. Alex Len

2012
1. Anthony Davis
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Bradley Beal
4. Dion Waiters
5. Thomas Robinson

2011
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Enes Kanter
4. Tristan Thompson
5. Jonas Valanciunas

2010
1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Wesley Johnson
5. DeMarcus Cousins

2009
1. Blake Griffin
2. Hasheem Thabeet
3. James Harden
4. Tyreke Evans
5. Ricky Rubio

2008
1. Derrick Rose
2. Michael Beasley
3. OJ Mayo
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Kevin Love

2007
1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Al Horford
4. Mike Conley
5. Jeff Green

2006
1. Andrea Bargnani
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Adam Morrison
4. Tyrus Thomas
5. Shelden Williams

2005
1. Andrew Bogut
2. Marvin Williams
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Raymond Felton

2004
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris

2003
1. Lebron James
2. Darko Milicic
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Chris Bosh
5. Dwayne Wade

2002
1. Yao Ming
2. Jay Williams
3. Mike Dunleavy
4. Drew Gooden
5. Nikoloz Tskitishvilli

2001
1. Kwame Brown
2. Tyson Chandler
3. Pau Gasol
4. Eddy Curry
5. Jason Richardson

2000
1. Kenyon Martin
2. Stromile Swift
3. Darius Miles
4. Marcus Fizer
5. Mike MIller

Again it's not near as some of you guys are thinking to be able to draft a player that can turn your franchise around (more than Julius Randle has) "simply" by tanking and/or getting a possible top 5 pick. Even IF you luck into the 26 or so percent chance at a top 3 pick.

A lot of info to digest in your post. Thanks for making it though, because it makes for great conversation. One thing I will say for starters is this draft is considered (by all experts) to be one of the top drafts in a long time. In comparison, most experts thought last year's draft was one of the worst.

All that said, there are some damn good players in your lists. I would be so excited if we had some of them on our roster. I'm not stupid, I know how much of a crapshoot the draft is, and that the reality of the situation is that most players don't live up to the hype.

I've paid close attention to this group of draft picks, and I really do believe this draft is stacked with talent. Franchise changing talent. Have you watched these guys? I think all 5 players that people are high on in this draft would have been drafted number 1 last draft. Suggs, Green, Kominga, Mobley and Cade would all be the number 1 pick in 2020. What are your thoughts on that?

So, let's take a look at your lists. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and I'm sure you'll feel a lot different. I don't have time to go through them all, but let's take a look at the last 5 years..

2019: Zion or Ja are potential franchise players
2018: I would love to have: Ayton, Luka, or Trae
2017: Bad draft. I'd love to have Fox
2016: I'd love to have: Simmons, Ingram or Brown
2015: Towns
2014: Embiid

Now, if this draft lives up to the hype, which I think it will, I think 3 out of the 5 will hit and be stars. I know I know, it's impossible to predict these things. But it is being talked about as one of the better drafts in recent history.

If we drop and end up a lottery team and somehow get one of those guys, it would be worth all the pain and suffering that goes with that.

The other option is to trade all of our assets for a Beal/Lavine. Randle/Beal/or Lavine is not winning us anything other getting bounced in the second round.

[NewKnicks]

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

What's a great asset? A (potential) top 5 pick? Which with the way the odds are is EXTREMELY difficult to guarantee right now even if the team is a bottom 5 team.

And here is the top 5 picks from every draft since 2000 up to 2019 (not fair to judge the 2020 prospects yet).

What ground shaking franchise turning players were selected in the top 5 in that 20 year span? Now how many flubs were picked in the top 5? I get that folks love the fantasy of being able to draft a franchise changing player but those don't grow on trees and aren't as obvious as people think they are.

AND 19 of these 20 drafts were held BEFORE the NBA changed the lottery rules to make it even harder to tank and get a top 3 pick. You guys really need to go through the list and let reality sink in a bit.

2019
1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. De'Andre Hunter
5. Darius Garland

2018
1. DeAndre Ayton
2. Marvin Bagley
3. Luka Doncic
4. Trae Young
5. Mo Bamba

2017
1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. De'Aron Fox

2016
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Jaylen Brown
4. Dragan Bender
5. Chris Dunn

2015
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Jahlil Okafor
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Mario Hezonja

2014
1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Joel Embiid
4. Aaron Gordon
5. Dante Exum

2013
1. Anthony Bennet
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Cody Zeller
5. Alex Len

2012
1. Anthony Davis
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Bradley Beal
4. Dion Waiters
5. Thomas Robinson

2011
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Enes Kanter
4. Tristan Thompson
5. Jonas Valanciunas

2010
1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Wesley Johnson
5. DeMarcus Cousins

2009
1. Blake Griffin
2. Hasheem Thabeet
3. James Harden
4. Tyreke Evans
5. Ricky Rubio

2008
1. Derrick Rose
2. Michael Beasley
3. OJ Mayo
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Kevin Love

2007
1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Al Horford
4. Mike Conley
5. Jeff Green

2006
1. Andrea Bargnani
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Adam Morrison
4. Tyrus Thomas
5. Shelden Williams

2005
1. Andrew Bogut
2. Marvin Williams
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Raymond Felton

2004
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris

2003
1. Lebron James
2. Darko Milicic
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Chris Bosh
5. Dwayne Wade

2002
1. Yao Ming
2. Jay Williams
3. Mike Dunleavy
4. Drew Gooden
5. Nikoloz Tskitishvilli

2001
1. Kwame Brown
2. Tyson Chandler
3. Pau Gasol
4. Eddy Curry
5. Jason Richardson

2000
1. Kenyon Martin
2. Stromile Swift
3. Darius Miles
4. Marcus Fizer
5. Mike MIller

Again it's not near as easy as some of you guys are thinking to be able to draft a player that can turn your franchise around (more than Julius Randle has) "simply" by tanking and/or getting a possible top 5 pick. Even IF you luck into the 26 or so percent chance at a top 3 pick. And not only that but it has to be in the right draft AND you have to be able to pick the right guy and not the dud (more chance of dud than stud in every draft top 5 except 2003). And even from the greatest draft in NBA history (2003) it took 3 of the top 5 picks to band together (by free agency and managing cap as well as have reasons for these top 5 players to come to your team...see what I've been saying) to win a championship. And even a top 5 pick that will go down as one of the top 3-5 players in Knick history couldn't do **** all by himself.

There is only 1 guy on this list that consists of 100 players across 20 years that can single handedly change a franchise all by his lonesome. And that's your once in a generation (in this case 2 generations) guy. And even he couldn't win **** until he got at least one other superstar player to join him. If it's EXTREMELY hard to even draft one superstar player (see above), what do you think the odds of draft 2 superstar players are AND to do so within the timline of that 1st superstar player?

Yes...it can happen. But so can just about anything. I can find out tomorrow that I've the heir to the Gamestop fortune. Doesn't mean it's remotely easy to plan for.

Again, if it was that easy to tank for success or that a tank plan is a great plan then A LOT more teams would be following that plan that doesn't have one of these words tattooed to the front of their jerseys: Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Nuggets.

So what you are proposing is the Knicks trade a proven 26 year old NBA All-Star caliber player who appear to be just hitting his stride and his prime for a shot at MAYBE drafting someone that could turn out to be of similar caliber 3, 4, 5 years from now but most likely drafting someone that is worse (just look at the past 20 years) with a miniscule chance that you land someone clearly better?

Another question in response to your post would be.. what is the alternative? Please breakdown what you think the Knicks should do moving forward if you don't want to build through the draft.

[prophet_of_rage]

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

What's a great asset? A (potential) top 5 pick? Which with the way the odds are is EXTREMELY difficult to guarantee right now even if the team is a bottom 5 team.

And here is the top 5 picks from every draft since 2000 up to 2019 (not fair to judge the 2020 prospects yet).

What ground shaking franchise turning players were selected in the top 5 in that 20 year span? Now how many flubs were picked in the top 5? I get that folks love the fantasy of being able to draft a franchise changing player but those don't grow on trees and aren't as obvious as people think they are.

AND 19 of these 20 drafts were held BEFORE the NBA changed the lottery rules to make it even harder to tank and get a top 3 pick. You guys really need to go through the list and let reality sink in a bit.

2019
1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. De'Andre Hunter
5. Darius Garland

2018
1. DeAndre Ayton
2. Marvin Bagley
3. Luka Doncic
4. Trae Young
5. Mo Bamba

2017
1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. De'Aron Fox

2016
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Jaylen Brown
4. Dragan Bender
5. Chris Dunn

2015
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Jahlil Okafor
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Mario Hezonja

2014
1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Joel Embiid
4. Aaron Gordon
5. Dante Exum

2013
1. Anthony Bennet
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Cody Zeller
5. Alex Len

2012
1. Anthony Davis
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Bradley Beal
4. Dion Waiters
5. Thomas Robinson

2011
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Enes Kanter
4. Tristan Thompson
5. Jonas Valanciunas

2010
1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Wesley Johnson
5. DeMarcus Cousins

2009
1. Blake Griffin
2. Hasheem Thabeet
3. James Harden
4. Tyreke Evans
5. Ricky Rubio

2008
1. Derrick Rose
2. Michael Beasley
3. OJ Mayo
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Kevin Love

2007
1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Al Horford
4. Mike Conley
5. Jeff Green

2006
1. Andrea Bargnani
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Adam Morrison
4. Tyrus Thomas
5. Shelden Williams

2005
1. Andrew Bogut
2. Marvin Williams
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Raymond Felton

2004
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris

2003
1. Lebron James
2. Darko Milicic
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Chris Bosh
5. Dwayne Wade

2002
1. Yao Ming
2. Jay Williams
3. Mike Dunleavy
4. Drew Gooden
5. Nikoloz Tskitishvilli

2001
1. Kwame Brown
2. Tyson Chandler
3. Pau Gasol
4. Eddy Curry
5. Jason Richardson

2000
1. Kenyon Martin
2. Stromile Swift
3. Darius Miles
4. Marcus Fizer
5. Mike MIller

Again it's not near as easy as some of you guys are thinking to be able to draft a player that can turn your franchise around (more than Julius Randle has) "simply" by tanking and/or getting a possible top 5 pick. Even IF you luck into the 26 or so percent chance at a top 3 pick. And not only that but it has to be in the right draft AND you have to be able to pick the right guy and not the dud (more chance of dud than stud in every draft top 5 except 2003). And even from the greatest draft in NBA history (2003) it took 3 of the top 5 picks to band together (by free agency and managing cap as well as have reasons for these top 5 players to come to your team...see what I've been saying) to win a championship. And even a top 5 pick that will go down as one of the top 3-5 players in Knick history couldn't do **** all by himself.

There is only 1 guy on this list that consists of 100 players across 20 years that can single handedly change a franchise all by his lonesome. And that's your once in a generation (in this case 2 generations) guy. And even he couldn't win **** until he got at least one other superstar player to join him. If it's EXTREMELY hard to even draft one superstar player (see above), what do you think the odds of draft 2 superstar players are AND to do so within the timline of that 1st superstar player?

Yes...it can happen. But so can just about anything. I can find out tomorrow that I've the heir to the Gamestop fortune. Doesn't mean it's remotely easy to plan for.

Again, if it was that easy to tank for success or that a tank plan is a great plan then A LOT more teams would be following that plan that doesn't have one of these words tattooed to the front of their jerseys: Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Nuggets.

So what you are proposing is the Knicks trade a proven 26 year old NBA All-Star caliber player who appear to be just hitting his stride and his prime for a shot at MAYBE drafting someone that could turn out to be of similar caliber 3, 4, 5 years from now but most likely drafting someone that is worse (just look at the past 20 years) with a miniscule chance that you land someone clearly better?

Another question in response to your post would be.. what is the alternative? Please breakdown what you think the Knicks should do moving forward if you don't want to build through the draft.

Make good picks, sign good free agents, trade wisely.



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[FreeSpiritNY]

Anyone who says trainee randel for a top pick is just dumb. With a loser mentality. I would rather be a 8th this year and build through free agency and build the young players we have now than take a risk at anther young player an lose for anther 20 years. You pick up randels option sign some good bench players next year and resign rose and a better sg keep noel

[knicks94]

I wonder if the media would take shots at the Knicks if they traded Randle for KP. Everyone sure enjoyed ripping us for trading KP and then signing Randle.

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Kobe always knew his potential. This describes Randle to a T, minus the 3PT shooting.

[Montmorencie]

One thing that bugs me about Julius game is when he's hot and especially his jump shot is falling in he never attacks the rim. He reminds me of Melo. Last night I didn't know the final nor the box score and while watching highlights I was like 'damn that dude is going for 50'. When the game ended and I checked the box score : 25 points -.-. If you make 10 FG and don't get at least 35 in this league with stupid-ass referees then you are doing something wrong. If Harden or Jimmy Butler manage to score the ball 10 times they will register 40 point game. Same sad story with Melo in the past. They are too damn excited and shoot every time instead of using the space that they will inevitably open and attack the rim and get easy buckets and free throws.

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[munchies]

One thing that bugs me about Julius game is when he's hot and especially his jump shot is falling in he never attacks the rim. He reminds me of Melo. Last night I didn't know the final nor the box score and while watching highlights I was like 'damn that dude is going for 50'. When the game ended and I checked the box score : 25 points -.-. If you make 10 FG and don't get at least 35 in this league with stupid-ass referees then you are doing something wrong. If Harden or Jimmy Butler manage to score the ball 10 times they will register 40 point game. Same sad story with Melo in the past. They are too damn excited and shoot every time instead of using the space that they will inevitably open and attack the rim and get easy buckets and free throws.

I get what you’re saying but he’s not just chucking them up though. He is always shooting in rhythm and rarely takes bad shots. His lane drive pop is deadly. Almost cant guard it

[br7knicks]

One thing that bugs me about Julius game is when he's hot and especially his jump shot is falling in he never attacks the rim. He reminds me of Melo. Last night I didn't know the final nor the box score and while watching highlights I was like 'damn that dude is going for 50'. When the game ended and I checked the box score : 25 points -.-. If you make 10 FG and don't get at least 35 in this league with stupid-ass referees then you are doing something wrong. If Harden or Jimmy Butler manage to score the ball 10 times they will register 40 point game. Same sad story with Melo in the past. They are too damn excited and shoot every time instead of using the space that they will inevitably open and attack the rim and get easy buckets and free throws.

I get what you’re saying but he’s not just chucking them up though. He is always shooting in rhythm and rarely takes bad shots. His lane drive pop is deadly. Almost cant guard it

and the big difference between melo and randle is that randle doesn't assume he has to shoot when he gets the ball. he at least seems to show the intelligence to know when he should take his man and when he should pass.

plus, i like that randle doesn't look to drive when his shot is falling. if your shot is falling, keep going with it until they stop you. plus, i'm pretty sure he learned last season that him attacking the rim and doing his patent spin move resulted in a plethora of turnovers. him not attacking the rim a lot shows growth.

plus, a lot of his attacks result in him getting a pretty open baseline jumper, not a layup. he's been pretty efficient at hitting those shots, so why force it into a layup when your baseline jumper is falling well enough?

plus, i saw randle attack the rim quite a few times, especially against the pacers. the man went right at turner, who is leading (?) the league in blocks so far, and sabonis, who is a brick wall and tough defender as well.


so i disagree with the OP, too. i think randle has been doing a good job of mixing it up. that's what makes him so much easier to root for than when melo was here. randle is showing that he will be much easier to build around and create a strong team that can possibly compete in the east.

[munchies]

One thing that bugs me about Julius game is when he's hot and especially his jump shot is falling in he never attacks the rim. He reminds me of Melo. Last night I didn't know the final nor the box score and while watching highlights I was like 'damn that dude is going for 50'. When the game ended and I checked the box score : 25 points -.-. If you make 10 FG and don't get at least 35 in this league with stupid-ass referees then you are doing something wrong. If Harden or Jimmy Butler manage to score the ball 10 times they will register 40 point game. Same sad story with Melo in the past. They are too damn excited and shoot every time instead of using the space that they will inevitably open and attack the rim and get easy buckets and free throws.

I get what you’re saying but he’s not just chucking them up though. He is always shooting in rhythm and rarely takes bad shots. His lane drive pop is deadly. Almost cant guard it

and the big difference between melo and randle is that randle doesn't assume he has to shoot when he gets the ball. he at least seems to show the intelligence to know when he should take his man and when he should pass.

plus, i like that randle doesn't look to drive when his shot is falling. if your shot is falling, keep going with it until they stop you. plus, i'm pretty sure he learned last season that him attacking the rim and doing his patent spin move resulted in a plethora of turnovers. him not attacking the rim a lot shows growth.

plus, a lot of his attacks result in him getting a pretty open baseline jumper, not a layup. he's been pretty efficient at hitting those shots, so why force it into a layup when your baseline jumper is falling well enough?

plus, i saw randle attack the rim quite a few times, especially against the pacers. the man went right at turner, who is leading (?) the league in blocks so far, and sabonis, who is a brick wall and tough defender as well.


so i disagree. i think randle has been doing a good job of mixing it up. that's what makes him so much easier to root for than when melo was here. randle is showing that he will be much easier to build around and create a strong team that can possibly compete in the east.

Wait. You disagree with me or person I quoted? I’m on the same boat with you on this one

[br7knicks]

I get what you’re saying but he’s not just chucking them up though. He is always shooting in rhythm and rarely takes bad shots. His lane drive pop is deadly. Almost cant guard it

and the big difference between melo and randle is that randle doesn't assume he has to shoot when he gets the ball. he at least seems to show the intelligence to know when he should take his man and when he should pass.

plus, i like that randle doesn't look to drive when his shot is falling. if your shot is falling, keep going with it until they stop you. plus, i'm pretty sure he learned last season that him attacking the rim and doing his patent spin move resulted in a plethora of turnovers. him not attacking the rim a lot shows growth.

plus, a lot of his attacks result in him getting a pretty open baseline jumper, not a layup. he's been pretty efficient at hitting those shots, so why force it into a layup when your baseline jumper is falling well enough?

plus, i saw randle attack the rim quite a few times, especially against the pacers. the man went right at turner, who is leading (?) the league in blocks so far, and sabonis, who is a brick wall and tough defender as well.


so i disagree. i think randle has been doing a good job of mixing it up. that's what makes him so much easier to root for than when melo was here. randle is showing that he will be much easier to build around and create a strong team that can possibly compete in the east.

Wait. You disagree with me or person I quoted? I’m on the same boat with you on this one

i agree with you. i should have quoted it better. my fault.

i disagreed with the OP

[The Lamma]

So now that we're 18-17 we CAN talk about Randle's impact on winning, right?

[NYKnickerbocker]

One thing that bugs me about Julius game is when he's hot and especially his jump shot is falling in he never attacks the rim. He reminds me of Melo. Last night I didn't know the final nor the box score and while watching highlights I was like 'damn that dude is going for 50'. When the game ended and I checked the box score : 25 points -.-. If you make 10 FG and don't get at least 35 in this league with stupid-ass referees then you are doing something wrong. If Harden or Jimmy Butler manage to score the ball 10 times they will register 40 point game. Same sad story with Melo in the past. They are too damn excited and shoot every time instead of using the space that they will inevitably open and attack the rim and get easy buckets and free throws.

maybe that’ll happen next year for him. This elite jumper he’s been rocking so far is a new toy for him if we’re being honest lol. It’s only been recent now were teams are truly respecting it and playing him tighter and jumping on his fakes.

[dakomish23]

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Both Julius and Zion are all stars this year.

Enes Kanter has never made an all star game

[3toheadmelo]

[Tron Carter]

I think I at this point his best comp might be a modern day Chris Webber

[GONYK]

I think I at this point his best comp might be a modern day Chris Webber

Pretty good, I like this guy too:

[prophet_of_rage]

That is a better comp. Julius is a groundbound Larry Johnson with a good back.

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