Devin Booker - king of empty stats?

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Is Devin Booker an empty stats player?

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Re: Devin Booker - king of empty stats? 

Post#81 » by pj0tr » Wed Mar 3, 2021 2:46 pm

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itsxtray wrote:Why are Bookers advanced stats so bad compared to the level of player he's supposed to be? This is what im confused by

109 ortg to 112 def -3 (bball ref)
18.8 per (15 is league average so he's just above)
.104 ws/48
0.9 obpm to -1.1 dbpm for -0.1 total bpm
77th in rpm = 1.90 orpm to -0.46 drpm for 1.44 rpm

His impact stats are nothing to write home about, whats going on here?


Booker and the Suns were adjusting to CP3 the first 14 games of the season. Booker was averaging 23, 4.1, 3.5 a game on 47/34/82 shooting the Suns went 8-6. After his 4 game off due to injury he came back and is averaging 28, 4.5, 3.7 on 52/40/85 shooting where the Suns are 12-3 (now 13-3). I would imagine his advanced stats look better after he came back from his injury, even Suns fans would agree Book didn't look like himself before then.


*Edit*
forgot to mention the worse part is Booker was averaging 4 turnovers a game before his injury, afterwards he's averaging 2.7 a game.


Not sure i buy this because his advanced stats have never been anything to write home about. The bad team excuse doesn't work either because players on bad teams have had good advanced stats, at least better than his habe been. I think it's because he gives up so much on defense even tho he's steadily improved on offense.

But as studies have shown even high volume efficient scoring only raises the bar so high, him being only an average passer is also holding him back. Scoring efficiently alone isn't enough... the scorers who have the highest impact either defend really well (Kawhi route) or playmake really well (Harden route)

To have his impact match his box scores he either needs to become a much better passer or a much better defender, preferably both.

Now, i don't wan't to get ahead of myself. There's still plenty of season to play and his stats could improve, lets check back in near the end of the season and see if anythings changed.


Booker is an "average" passer.

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Re: Devin Booker - king of empty stats? 

Post#82 » by jsierra1985 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 2:55 pm

Kobe-esqe

i know many hate to read that...but its facts......kid has not even stepped into his prime yet...
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Post#83 » by NY2k1 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 3:12 pm

gorz wrote:If Chris Paul is not on this team.. the suns miss the playoffs again.


I guess someone didn't watch Booker almost lead the Suns into the playoffs late last season. Without Chris Paul, the Suns probably don't have the record they do this season, but the same goes if they didn't have Booker.
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Post#84 » by NY2k1 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 3:15 pm

jsierra1985 wrote:Kobe-esqe

i know many hate to read that...but its facts......kid has not even stepped into his prime yet...


Yeah, he may not be Kobe Bryant as a whole, and I can probably safely say he won't be, but he's the closest to Kobe in this era.
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Post#85 » by The_Hater » Wed Mar 3, 2021 3:16 pm

Kings4win wrote:This guy has always produced numbers but has never led a team anywhere.

Low and behold Chris Paul turns up and he's one of the greatest floor raiser's in the modern game and they start winning.

They have other 2 way players like Ayton and Bridges and it has coincided with Phoenix finally starting to win.

Yet Booker gets an all star nod despite being the same empty stats player. He's a ball hog who doesn't play a lick of defense.

I think he is at best, the 4th best player on the Sun's.


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However, highly ironic considering how many empty stats players the Kings have cycled through during 15 years of lottery appearances.
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Re: Devin Booker - king of empty stats? 

Post#86 » by Jay_Sizzle » Wed Mar 3, 2021 3:55 pm

itsxtray wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
itsxtray wrote:Why are Bookers advanced stats so bad compared to the level of player he's supposed to be? This is what im confused by

109 ortg to 112 def -3 (bball ref)
18.8 per (15 is league average so he's just above)
.104 ws/48
0.9 obpm to -1.1 dbpm for -0.1 total bpm
77th in rpm = 1.90 orpm to -0.46 drpm for 1.44 rpm

His impact stats are nothing to write home about, whats going on here?


Booker and the Suns were adjusting to CP3 the first 14 games of the season. Booker was averaging 23, 4.1, 3.5 a game on 47/34/82 shooting the Suns went 8-6. After his 4 game off due to injury he came back and is averaging 28, 4.5, 3.7 on 52/40/85 shooting where the Suns are 12-3 (now 13-3). I would imagine his advanced stats look better after he came back from his injury, even Suns fans would agree Book didn't look like himself before then.


*Edit*
forgot to mention the worse part is Booker was averaging 4 turnovers a game before his injury, afterwards he's averaging 2.7 a game.


Not sure i buy this because his advanced stats have never been anything to write home about. The bad team excuse doesn't work either because players on bad teams have had good advanced stats, at least better than his habe been. I think it's because he gives up so much on defense even tho he's steadily improved on offense.

But as studies have shown even high volume efficient scoring only raises the bar so high, him being only an average passer is also holding him back. Scoring efficiently alone isn't enough... the scorers who have the highest impact either defend really well (Kawhi route) or playmake really well (Harden route)

To have his impact match his box scores he either needs to become a much better passer or a much better defender, preferably both.

Now, i don't wan't to get ahead of myself. There's still plenty of season to play and his stats could improve, lets check back in near the end of the season and see if anythings changed.
How about - Booker plays to win the game. He is doing so at a good pace this year. He is not out there playing for "advanced stats".

Sometimes you just have to watch the game and observe. Book has been on fire and it is a blast to watch. Put down the analytics and preconceived ideas and just observe. They beat a depleted Lakers team last night and have the second best record in the league. Playing great team basketball -- no way you could watch and see anything else.

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Post#87 » by Ayt » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:01 pm

So when Phoenix had a bad record it was his fault and he was a terrible player, and now that the Suns have the 2nd best record in the league he gets no credit? What do some of you think their record would be if Booker was actually "good" in your mind?
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Post#88 » by Pelly24 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:15 pm

One thing I'll say is that Devin Booker's mediocre advanced stats have always been conspicuous to me. Usually those stats can tell a pretty good picture of your impact and even your talent level. His BPM and ws/48 and on/off stuff looks iffy. I watch the games and his skillset is legit so not the end all be all. But still, always been weird.
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Post#89 » by gorz » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:22 pm

jsierra1985 wrote:Kobe-esqe

i know many hate to read that...but its facts......kid has not even stepped into his prime yet...



That's about as accurate a statement as calling buddy hield ray Allen 2.0 except this is probably closer than comparing booker to a top 10 player of all time.
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Post#90 » by gorz » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:26 pm

NY2k1 wrote:
gorz wrote:If Chris Paul is not on this team.. the suns miss the playoffs again.


I guess someone didn't watch Booker almost lead the Suns into the playoffs late last season. Without Chris Paul, the Suns probably don't have the record they do this season, but the same goes if they didn't have Booker.



I'm not a Chris Paul fan by any means but he led okc a team with no Allstars and fringe all star(sga) into the playoffs..if booker was out for the season he probably could still lead this suns team into the playoffs. Ayton would be utilized alot more and the other role players like bridges would take on a bigger offensive role.
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Post#91 » by NY2k1 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:30 pm

gorz wrote:
NY2k1 wrote:
gorz wrote:If Chris Paul is not on this team.. the suns miss the playoffs again.


I guess someone didn't watch Booker almost lead the Suns into the playoffs late last season. Without Chris Paul, the Suns probably don't have the record they do this season, but the same goes if they didn't have Booker.



I'm not a Chris Paul fan by any means but he led okc a team with no Allstars and fringe all star(sga) into the playoffs..if booker was out for the season he probably could still lead this suns team into the playoffs. Ayton would be utilized alot more and the other role players like bridges would take on a bigger offensive role.


I don't disagree. Chris Paul has always been a winner wherever he's gone. It's a shame he's been injury-prone a lot in his career, he would have likely won the championship in 2018 with Houston if he was healthy.

That said, Booker himself almost led the Suns to the playoffs late last season. He and Paul have turned the Suns into a top team in the west.
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Re: Devin Booker - king of empty stats? 

Post#92 » by theonlyclutch » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:35 pm

jsierra1985 wrote:Kobe-esqe

i know many hate to read that...but its facts......kid has not even stepped into his prime yet...


This is Booker's 6th year in the league, he is absolutely in his prime right now. Curry, LeBron and Giannis all became MVPs in their 6th seasons.
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Post#93 » by Statlanta » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:41 pm

I’m starting to wonder if he has half court game despite being a primary shot creator
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Post#94 » by GAthens34 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:42 pm

You sign CP = you make the playoffs.
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Post#95 » by Seattlesun » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:58 pm

Here's what Realgm posters are really saying:

"Devin Booker has to be terrible, there is no way he can be this good. There is no way the Suns are now the 2nd best team in the NBA!!! That means the Suns have passed up my favorite team and Booker is better than my favorite player and I can't handle it!! NOOOOOOO. How can this be happening? I will go to Realgm and post hate and hope that projects into reality."

Good luck NBA fans, Book is for real and the Suns are for real. And if you don't live in Salt Lake, the Suns are ahead of your team.
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Re: Devin Booker - king of empty stats? 

Post#96 » by Stark » Wed Mar 3, 2021 5:27 pm

I really don't understand the hate and disrespect. Even though I'm a Suns fan i generally criticize Book a lot but acting like he's not one of the main reasons behind Suns success is just being ignorant. He is a very unique player though because if you watch him you realize he can make some really bad decisions, he loses focus on defense time to time (he's pretty ok this year btw), get into foul trouble because he is pissed at something etc. Stuff that you don't generally see from a star player, really simple mistakes. However...the stuff that he is good at there are not many players in his level. He is an exceptional scorer. Just saying oh he is good at scoring is an understatement. When he is on a roll there is literally nothing you can do, he can make the impossible shots effortlessly (Just ask Sixers/Celtics/Mavs fans). That's why i think he is similar to Kyrie but i believe the difference is Booker is way more interested about basketball and winning.
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Post#97 » by GAthens34 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 5:30 pm

Seattlesun wrote:Here's what Realgm posters are really saying:

"Devin Booker has to be terrible, there is no way he can be this good. There is no way the Suns are now the 2nd best team in the NBA!!! That means the Suns have passed up my favorite team and Booker is better than my favorite player and I can't handle it!! NOOOOOOO. How can this be happening? I will go to Realgm and post hate and hope that projects into reality."

Good luck NBA fans, Book is for real and the Suns are for real. And if you don't live in Salt Lake, the Suns are ahead of your team.


So by this logic Booker is better than LeBron, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic, Lillard just to name some.
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Post#98 » by Seattlesun » Wed Mar 3, 2021 5:55 pm

KGtabake wrote:
Seattlesun wrote:Here's what Realgm posters are really saying:

"Devin Booker has to be terrible, there is no way he can be this good. There is no way the Suns are now the 2nd best team in the NBA!!! That means the Suns have passed up my favorite team and Booker is better than my favorite player and I can't handle it!! NOOOOOOO. How can this be happening? I will go to Realgm and post hate and hope that projects into reality."

Good luck NBA fans, Book is for real and the Suns are for real. And if you don't live in Salt Lake, the Suns are ahead of your team.


So by this logic Booker is better than LeBron, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic, Lillard just to name some.
Got it :thumbsup:


You'll never read a post from me about hating those guys or their teams. That's really the point bro.
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Post#99 » by jsierra1985 » Thu Apr 1, 2021 11:03 am

bump.
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Post#100 » by Frank Lee » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:29 am

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