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Post#1601 » by Negrodamus » Wed Mar 3, 2021 7:47 pm

Any other trades where we forfeit our foreseeable future for 3 months of a 35 year old PG? These aren't ridiculous enough.
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Post#1602 » by the_process » Wed Mar 3, 2021 7:48 pm

WT pretty much confirms today that Houston won’t be making any deals with Morey unless Morey massively overlays.
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Post#1603 » by ShirleyTemple » Wed Mar 3, 2021 7:48 pm

What a ridiculous trade proposal by Pelton.
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Post#1604 » by sixers hoops » Wed Mar 3, 2021 10:20 pm

LloydFree wrote:
kriss73 wrote:This one is by Pelton (same article)

Charlotte Hornets get: Terrance Ferguson, cash (from Philadelphia)

LA Clippers get: George Hill

Oklahoma City Thunder get: Tony Bradley, Mfiondu Kabengele, Mike Scott, 2021 first-round pick (from Philadelphia)

Philadelphia 76ers get: Lou Williams, Mike Muscala


Better balanced but I probably would get Hill instead of Sweet Lou.
Non need for Muscala: we already know he's unplayable durind playoff season

I think I'd be sick to my stomach if the 76ers trade a 1st round pick and Mike Scott for Lou Williams and Muscala. Just cut the Clippers out and take George Hill for yourself.

... Besides, Muscala will probably be busy bailing his Dad out, after a 2nd storming of the Capitol...


These trades are brutal lol

Again, I’m operating under the assumption that we can’t exceed luxury tax threshold. If true, acquiring expiring contracts are rentals. Not wasting picks on rentals that only give us one shot, and we won’t even be title favorites for that one shot.
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Post#1605 » by stormi » Wed Mar 3, 2021 11:28 pm

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Post#1606 » by Negrodamus » Wed Mar 3, 2021 11:37 pm

stormi wrote:
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Not surprising, however, I don't see what a lottery pick would do for us other than repackaging it for a star.

Meanwhile, Thybulle and Ben makes the other team's guards have a long night.
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Post#1607 » by stormi » Wed Mar 3, 2021 11:40 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
stormi wrote:
Read on Twitter

other than repackaging it for a star.


Pretty much this. I interpreted it as he has decently strong value league wide, not that we were necessarily shopping him
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Post#1608 » by sixers hoops » Thu Mar 4, 2021 12:55 am

stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
stormi wrote:
Read on Twitter

other than repackaging it for a star.


Pretty much this. I interpreted it as he has decently strong value league wide, not that we were necessarily shopping him


I’ve always been a big Thybulle fan so I’m not surprised. If he can improve that corner three, he is a great fit with Simmons and Embiid.
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Post#1609 » by TTP » Thu Mar 4, 2021 1:38 am

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Negrodamus wrote:other than repackaging it for a star.


Pretty much this. I interpreted it as he has decently strong value league wide, not that we were necessarily shopping him


I’ve always been a big Thybulle fan so I’m not surprised. If he can improve that corner three, he is a great fit with Simmons and Embiid.


I like Thybulle but I very much disagree with this. It's honestly really difficult to envision a future where Ben and Matisse are co-existing on the floor within a great offense. Besides the fact that it's a pretty big if for Matisse to get his jumpshot to where it needs to be, I don't think that alone would be enough within our team construction.

I might even go as far as saying that Matisse's archetype as a wing is the worst fit for Ben Simmons to play alongside. You'd much prefer a complementary wing whose weakness is defense but can get his own shot and space, the opposite of Matisse.

I think pretty much any other good team in the NBA would get more value out of Matisse than we do, and this is coming from someone that thinks that good defenders tend to be substantially undervalued.
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Post#1610 » by Kobblehead » Thu Mar 4, 2021 1:47 am

I'd make that deal, at this point.

This team's ability to win an eventual title will be determined by the underclassman creators we bring into the organization over the next few drafts to pair with Maxey.

You're more likely to get an underclassman creator if you're drafting in the lottery.
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Post#1611 » by sixers hoops » Thu Mar 4, 2021 2:07 am

TTP wrote:
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stormi wrote:
Pretty much this. I interpreted it as he has decently strong value league wide, not that we were necessarily shopping him


I’ve always been a big Thybulle fan so I’m not surprised. If he can improve that corner three, he is a great fit with Simmons and Embiid.


I like Thybulle but I very much disagree with this. It's honestly really difficult to envision a future where Ben and Matisse are co-existing on the floor within a great offense. Besides the fact that it's a pretty big if for Matisse to get his jumpshot to where it needs to be, I don't think that alone would be enough within our team construction.

I might even go as far as saying that Matisse's archetype as a wing is the worst fit for Ben Simmons to play alongside. You'd much prefer a complementary wing whose weakness is defense but can get his own shot and space, the opposite of Matisse.

I think pretty much any other good team in the NBA would get more value out of Matisse than we do, and this is coming from someone that thinks that good defenders tend to be substantially undervalued.


In my eyes, if Matisse can get his shot together, I think he can be fine as a spacer from the corner. I think the Sixers do need somebody like you describe, but that doesn’t have to be Matisse. I think anybody who can hit an open corner three with regularity and defend can play big minutes with Ben and Joel, assuming they have at least three guys who can score on the floor.

Matisse’s ceiling is limited offensively, but if he can space the floor, they should be able to get a lot out of him. Honestly, his defense is already getting him minutes, and he offers nothing offensively. He starts shootings the ball well, he could fit with any team. I’m not confident him becomes a good shooter, but he was okay last year, so I hope he can.
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Post#1612 » by 51X3RF4N » Thu Mar 4, 2021 3:52 am

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I’ve always been a big Thybulle fan so I’m not surprised. If he can improve that corner three, he is a great fit with Simmons and Embiid.


I like Thybulle but I very much disagree with this. It's honestly really difficult to envision a future where Ben and Matisse are co-existing on the floor within a great offense. Besides the fact that it's a pretty big if for Matisse to get his jumpshot to where it needs to be, I don't think that alone would be enough within our team construction.

I might even go as far as saying that Matisse's archetype as a wing is the worst fit for Ben Simmons to play alongside. You'd much prefer a complementary wing whose weakness is defense but can get his own shot and space, the opposite of Matisse.

I think pretty much any other good team in the NBA would get more value out of Matisse than we do, and this is coming from someone that thinks that good defenders tend to be substantially undervalued.


In my eyes, if Matisse can get his shot together, I think he can be fine as a spacer from the corner. I think the Sixers do need somebody like you describe, but that doesn’t have to be Matisse. I think anybody who can hit an open corner three with regularity and defend can play big minutes with Ben and Joel, assuming they have at least three guys who can score on the floor.

Matisse’s ceiling is limited offensively, but if he can space the floor, they should be able to get a lot out of him. Honestly, his defense is already getting him minutes, and he offers nothing offensively. He starts shootings the ball well, he could fit with any team. I’m not confident him becomes a good shooter, but he was okay last year, so I hope he can.
What about flipping that lottery pick to Atlanta for John Collins?

Collins comes off the bench for the playoff run and re-signs in the off-season which frees up a potential Tobias trade.

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Post#1613 » by sixers hoops » Thu Mar 4, 2021 3:57 am

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I like Thybulle but I very much disagree with this. It's honestly really difficult to envision a future where Ben and Matisse are co-existing on the floor within a great offense. Besides the fact that it's a pretty big if for Matisse to get his jumpshot to where it needs to be, I don't think that alone would be enough within our team construction.

I might even go as far as saying that Matisse's archetype as a wing is the worst fit for Ben Simmons to play alongside. You'd much prefer a complementary wing whose weakness is defense but can get his own shot and space, the opposite of Matisse.

I think pretty much any other good team in the NBA would get more value out of Matisse than we do, and this is coming from someone that thinks that good defenders tend to be substantially undervalued.


In my eyes, if Matisse can get his shot together, I think he can be fine as a spacer from the corner. I think the Sixers do need somebody like you describe, but that doesn’t have to be Matisse. I think anybody who can hit an open corner three with regularity and defend can play big minutes with Ben and Joel, assuming they have at least three guys who can score on the floor.

Matisse’s ceiling is limited offensively, but if he can space the floor, they should be able to get a lot out of him. Honestly, his defense is already getting him minutes, and he offers nothing offensively. He starts shootings the ball well, he could fit with any team. I’m not confident him becomes a good shooter, but he was okay last year, so I hope he can.
What about flipping that lottery pick to Atlanta for John Collins?

Collins comes off the bench for the playoff run and re-signs in the off-season which frees up a potential Tobias trade.

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I don’t know Collin’s game well enough, but I prefer to get a player if we move him.

I think we have about 2-3 years to win with Embiid. Trading Thybulle and drafting guys in ‘21 or ‘22, and waiting for them to develop into contributors, feels like we are giving Embiid less help this season and next.
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Post#1614 » by 51X3RF4N » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:05 am

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In my eyes, if Matisse can get his shot together, I think he can be fine as a spacer from the corner. I think the Sixers do need somebody like you describe, but that doesn’t have to be Matisse. I think anybody who can hit an open corner three with regularity and defend can play big minutes with Ben and Joel, assuming they have at least three guys who can score on the floor.

Matisse’s ceiling is limited offensively, but if he can space the floor, they should be able to get a lot out of him. Honestly, his defense is already getting him minutes, and he offers nothing offensively. He starts shootings the ball well, he could fit with any team. I’m not confident him becomes a good shooter, but he was okay last year, so I hope he can.
What about flipping that lottery pick to Atlanta for John Collins?

Collins comes off the bench for the playoff run and re-signs in the off-season which frees up a potential Tobias trade.

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I don’t know Collin’s game well enough, but I prefer to get a player if we move him.

I think we have about 2-3 years to win with Embiid. Trading Thybulle and drafting guys in ‘21 or ‘22, and waiting for them to develop into contributors, feels like we are giving Embiid less help this season and next.
Collins is 6'10, 240lbs. Energy, hustle, rebounding, shot blocking, 40% 3pt shooting PF. Basically he's 19pts 8 boards, better defender than Tobias but no as good on offense maybe? 23 years old. Won't cost $35M per season.

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Post#1615 » by 76ciology » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:49 am

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Post#1616 » by HardenToSixers » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:59 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'd make that deal, at this point.

This team's ability to win an eventual title will be determined by the underclassman creators we bring into the organization over the next few drafts to pair with Maxey.

You're more likely to get an underclassman creator if you're drafting in the lottery.

Don't you think we should be trying to surround Simmons and especially Embiid with players who will be giving us what we need in the next 1 or 2 seasons given Embiid's level of play right now and history.
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Post#1617 » by Sportfan73 » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:02 am

I know we all love that doc finally sat Danny in crunch time and OT, but isn’t it even just a little bit possible it happened because a trade might be close?
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Post#1618 » by DCasey91 » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:57 am

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Post#1619 » by 76ciology » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:10 am

Sportfan73 wrote:I know we all love that doc finally sat Danny in crunch time and OT, but isn’t it even just a little bit possible it happened because a trade might be close?


Well.. if he’s not not shooting 1/6 from the field and 1/5 from 3, then maybe yes.
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Post#1620 » by 76ciology » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:12 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'd make that deal, at this point.

This team's ability to win an eventual title will be determined by the underclassman creators we bring into the organization over the next few drafts to pair with Maxey.

You're more likely to get an underclassman creator if you're drafting in the lottery.


This.

But i’d also look to make deals for Maxey and Milton. But not in a hurry. I’ll inflate their value first.
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