DG to the Pacers - what would it take?

[jbk1234]

It hurts my head just trying to come up with something that'd make sense for both sides. Having Garland apprentice under Steph sounds cool, but seems like a luxury.

Something more along the lines of Wiggins + TWolves pick for Drummond and Okoro might catch their attention?

But it doesn't resolve Sexland for us, doesn't move Love, burdens us with Wiggins, and we're counting on ping pong balls again.

Yeah, I'd just pass at that point. The pick is top 3 protected so best case scenario for the Warriors is No. 4 and I wouldn't do all that just to get No. 4. This would be real talk in terms of how did you like developing Wiseman off the bench all of last year and do you want to do that again, or do would you rather have Sexton or Garland off the bench.

Better to go with the younger/higher-upside (in theory) player who will be cost controlled for 4 years, under control for quite a bit more and may be coming in to his own as your vets start to fade. Then fill out the bench with cheap vets and ring chasers.

They might consider a Wiseman for Allen swap, except one is getting a big contract this Summer and the other isn't. So, they'd need to unload and replace Wiggins to open the door for that, so, you could tack that on to the deal, lol.

I wouldn't consider a Wiseman for Allen swap.

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[Harper4Ferry?]

Wow, a lot of good feedback. Interesting read. Thanks guys

Yes, the thought process is to pair him with Brogdon. Pacers miss having a guard with offensive gravity ever since trading Oladipo. In particular a guard with good quickness who can attack and probe the defense. Brogdon is an competent and efficient scorer, but he's the type who plays well off and capitalizes on someone else's gravity, more than the type who is able to generate offensive gravity himself. The hope is that DG can develop into someone like that for the Pacers. His lack of size doesn't bother the Pacers, if they're pairing him with Brogdon

Assuming the Cavs see a potential franchise player in the top 3, and assuming we once again get stuck around No. 5, I think the play is to attach either Sexton or Garland to our pick and go up and get the guy.

I didn't pay attention this offseason as much, but I feel like Sexton plus 5 for #2 should have been attempted after Edwards went #1. Was there any talk that we tried to trade up?

[Revenged25]

Wow, a lot of good feedback. Interesting read. Thanks guys

Yes, the thought process is to pair him with Brogdon. Pacers miss having a guard with offensive gravity ever since trading Oladipo. In particular a guard with good quickness who can attack and probe the defense. Brogdon is an competent and efficient scorer, but he's the type who plays well off and capitalizes on someone else's gravity, more than the type who is able to generate offensive gravity himself. The hope is that DG can develop into someone like that for the Pacers. His lack of size doesn't bother the Pacers, if they're pairing him with Brogdon

Assuming the Cavs see a potential franchise player in the top 3, and assuming we once again get stuck around No. 5, I think the play is to attach either Sexton or Garland to our pick and go up and get the guy.

I didn't pay attention this offseason as much, but I feel like Sexton plus 5 for #2 should have been attempted after Edwards went #1. Was there any talk that we tried to trade up?

Why should that have been attempted? Sexton is our best player along with Allen.

[Stillwater]

I just think this roster is better around Sexton at least the ones that are worth keeping but neither one of these recent lottery picked kids are really very likely to be utilized as trade chips this early in a rebuild especially not one like Sexton who is so far a massive success others like Garland and Okoro are showing their upsides but they aren't there yet to justify moving either this soon unless the return is a substantial upgrade.
I'm holding on to all these kids, I'm just not gifting minutes anymore

[jbk1234]

Wow, a lot of good feedback. Interesting read. Thanks guys

Yes, the thought process is to pair him with Brogdon. Pacers miss having a guard with offensive gravity ever since trading Oladipo. In particular a guard with good quickness who can attack and probe the defense. Brogdon is an competent and efficient scorer, but he's the type who plays well off and capitalizes on someone else's gravity, more than the type who is able to generate offensive gravity himself. The hope is that DG can develop into someone like that for the Pacers. His lack of size doesn't bother the Pacers, if they're pairing him with Brogdon

Assuming the Cavs see a potential franchise player in the top 3, and assuming we once again get stuck around No. 5, I think the play is to attach either Sexton or Garland to our pick and go up and get the guy.

I didn't pay attention this offseason as much, but I feel like Sexton plus 5 for #2 should have been attempted after Edwards went #1. Was there any talk that we tried to trade up?

I'm talking about next year's draft, not the last one. I like Allen enough that I probably wouldn't trade him for Wiseman straight up.

[jbk1234]

I just think this roster is better around Sexton at least the ones that are worth keeping but neither one of these recent lottery picked kids are really very likely to be utilized as trade chips this early in a rebuild especially not one like Sexton who is so far a massive success others like Garland and Okoro are showing their upsides but they aren't there yet to justify moving either this soon unless the return is a substantial upgrade.
I'm holding on to all these kids, I'm just not gifting minutes anymore

And you see no contradiction between all the apologies you offered for how bad Sexton was his first year and half in the league and proclaiming development finished for Garland and Okoro?

[JonFromVA]

Wow, a lot of good feedback. Interesting read. Thanks guys

Yes, the thought process is to pair him with Brogdon. Pacers miss having a guard with offensive gravity ever since trading Oladipo. In particular a guard with good quickness who can attack and probe the defense. Brogdon is an competent and efficient scorer, but he's the type who plays well off and capitalizes on someone else's gravity, more than the type who is able to generate offensive gravity himself. The hope is that DG can develop into someone like that for the Pacers. His lack of size doesn't bother the Pacers, if they're pairing him with Brogdon

Assuming the Cavs see a potential franchise player in the top 3, and assuming we once again get stuck around No. 5, I think the play is to attach either Sexton or Garland to our pick and go up and get the guy.

I didn't pay attention this offseason as much, but I feel like Sexton plus 5 for #2 should have been attempted after Edwards went #1. Was there any talk that we tried to trade up?

The Warriors found other ways to (try to) fill their roster holes without trading that TWolves pick. The pandemic is going to cost them a ton of money in luxury tax, but they don't seem desperate enough to give it up just to get out from under that burden or try to win now without Klay; but they don't technically have deep pockets - but they do have a lot of potential future income if the pandemic ever ends.

[Stillwater]

I just think this roster is better around Sexton at least the ones that are worth keeping but neither one of these recent lottery picked kids are really very likely to be utilized as trade chips this early in a rebuild especially not one like Sexton who is so far a massive success others like Garland and Okoro are showing their upsides but they aren't there yet to justify moving either this soon unless the return is a substantial upgrade.
I'm holding on to all these kids, I'm just not gifting minutes anymore

And you see no contradiction between all the apologies you offered for how bad Sexton was his first year and half in the league and proclaiming development finished for Garland and Okoro?

I mean how many years of tanking can you handle...?

[jbk1234]

I just think this roster is better around Sexton at least the ones that are worth keeping but neither one of these recent lottery picked kids are really very likely to be utilized as trade chips this early in a rebuild especially not one like Sexton who is so far a massive success others like Garland and Okoro are showing their upsides but they aren't there yet to justify moving either this soon unless the return is a substantial upgrade.
I'm holding on to all these kids, I'm just not gifting minutes anymore

And you see no contradiction between all the apologies you offered for how bad Sexton was his first year and half in the league and proclaiming development finished for Garland and Okoro?

I mean how many years of tanking can you handle...?

Your question presupposes that the tanking would be over if we just shipped out Garland and Okoro. I am in no way confident that's the case. When we can beat good teams, that aren't missing key players, I'll be more open to that believing that.

That aside, if the Cavs have settled on Sexton over Garland, I've said many times they need to go out and get Lonzo Ball. Sexton needs to start next to a guy like Ball for the Cavs to even have a pathway to becoming a good team, and there aren't a lot of guys like Ball out there. I'd rather try to build around Sexton's strength and weaknesses than just pretend his weaknesses will magically get better. If we had offered Garland for Ball earlier, I suspect we would've gotten picks back as well. Now with the way Ball is playing, he may not be available at all.

Trading Okoro half way through a rookie season where he's been asked to guard the best players in the NBA, and just as his three point shots are starting to fall, is too dumb for words and shouldn't even be a discussion.

[JonFromVA]

Hi guys. Just wondering whether there is a win-win trade involving DG going to the Pacers

What do you guys think is a decent offer from Pacers for DG?

What do you think is a decent offer?

The biggest roadblock I see is that most of the players that might be part of a trade like this are on the older side, and unless the Cavs convinced themselves they could win now with a more experienced player, I can't imagine why they'd trade a 21 year old for say a 28 year old.

[Topofthekey]

Hi guys. Just wondering whether there is a win-win trade involving DG going to the Pacers

What do you guys think is a decent offer from Pacers for DG?

What do you think is a decent offer?

The biggest roadblock I see is that most of the players that might be part of a trade like this are on the older side, and unless the Cavs convinced themselves they could win now with a more experienced player, I can't imagine why they'd trade a 21 year old for say a 28 year old.

Pretty much the part in bold

After reading through the discussion here, it feels like it's a bit hard to come up with something that is reasonable for both teams, mainly due to fit and timeline issues

From Cavs POV, on court it feels like Brogdon would be a good fit with Sexton for the Cavs, but then as you said he's 28 so the timeline is a bit off. Besides, the idea for the Pacers was to pair DG with Brogdon. I suppose they could still pair DG with LeVert, but I'm not sure that's something they'd be keen to do

From Pacers POV, they'd probably offer some combination of Warren or LeVert or FRP or wing depth (McDermott/Lamb/Holiday). But the problem with that is, those pieces don't look too valuable for a young and rebuilding team, other than the FRP maybe. Seems like it'd have to be a 3 team deal, with the 3rd team being a win-now/playoffs team that is looking to trade their rebuilding assets for immediate help

[Stillwater]

And you see no contradiction between all the apologies you offered for how bad Sexton was his first year and half in the league and proclaiming development finished for Garland and Okoro?

I mean how many years of tanking can you handle...?

Your question presupposes that the tanking would be over if we just shipped out Garland and Okoro. I am in no way confident that's the case. When we can beat good teams, that aren't missing key players, I'll be more open to that believing that.

That aside, if the Cavs have settled on Sexton over Garland, I've said many times they need to go out and get Lonzo Ball. Sexton needs to start next to a guy like Ball for the Cavs to even have a pathway to becoming a good team, and there aren't a lot of guys like Ball out there. I'd rather try to build around Sexton's strength and weaknesses than just pretend his weaknesses will magically get better. If we had offered Garland for Ball earlier, I suspect we would've gotten picks back as well. Now with the way Ball is playing, he may not be available at all.

Trading Okoro half way through a rookie season where he's been asked to guard the best players in the NBA, and just as his three point shots are starting to fall, is too dumb for words and shouldn't even be a discussion.

I have absolutely no clue how you thought I meant we should be trading Okoro,however he does not need to lead all rookies in minutes either. I can see how you think I want DG traded, but even there my preference is to bring him off the bench to get him out of Sextons way AND get Okoro and Windler on the court with him more often. I mean in the slim chance DG can develop into a starter quality guard that is able to exploit 2nd units in most match ups I would prefer to keep him in that role and if at that point he can actually fetch the type of contract in FA that would be justified if he were a al star which is what Klutch is going to push for if he remains a avg starter padding his stats etc then they can let him walk... but the reality is imo anyway clearly not yours, that DG even at his peak wont be worth Klutch $
They will probably do it differently