WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

Quazza · Post #961 » by **Quazza** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 9:28 pm

Not saying I agree or disagree , but what actually is the point in ramming the OMFG BALL >> WISEMAN rhetoric down our throats repeatedly, in a James Wiseman thread, on a Warriors forum .... ?

northoakland510 · Post #962 » by **northoakland510** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 11:01 pm

Man the kid is a failure after 24 games, harsh critics. I still do not understand how the kid cannot fit in this offense. I'm not a guy who is going to dig through stats I just watch the games. On offense he is screening so much 10-15 feet from the basket he isn't in position to rebound. On defense he is caught between blocking a shot and just standing up straight. I just a kid who probably has more responsibility than he can handle. Oubre has been in the league 6 years and it took him time to adjust.

DevinVassell · Post #963 » by **DevinVassell** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 11:31 pm

Jesus, what a depressing thread. I for one, still love the pick.

It's Wiseman or bust people. I LOVE the thought of finally having a true big that can battle the other behemoths of the league. JDub, the Big Spin. He is a Warrior... ours for the foreseeable future. So put on the rose colored glasses of a true fan, bring back that sense of "We Believe", have a little faith in the process and enjoy watching our kid develop. He is our horse in the race and it's going to be a long one.

Old_Blue · Post #964 » by **Old_Blue** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 1:42 am

The way Wiseman plays makes me wonder whether, deep down inside, he considers himself a small forward and not a center.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #965 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 1:53 am

How many 19 year old centers got to play 20+ mpg? Five. Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Drummond, Wendell Carter and James Wiseman. That's it. Let's be honest, there's a reason why most centers are still in college or on the bench (hint: These guys haven't been this tall for that long).

He's posting 21/10 with 2 blocks (per 36) on 50/40/63 shooting.

I like.

Dwight averaged 12/10 in 33 minutes for a losing team, and they actually had him play PF!

Sure, Wiseman's not very aggressive, he looks out of place and he could be a little more decisive. I'm guessing that 3-4 years of filling out and learning the NBA will do him well. We've got almost a decade untill this guy is in his prime. He'll find his niche, and long term I'd rather he be mythotical anyways.

LeBron didn't win untill he was 27
Jordan didn't win untill he was 27
Curry didn't win untill he was 27
Isiah didn't win untill he was 27
Shaq didn't win untill he was 27
KG, Dirk and Hakeem we're all older than that.

My point is that it takes time for players to develop into leaders and winners. He already looks better than Dirk, Bosh, J O'Neal etc. did at the same age and he has better tools than all of them.

Where will LaMelo be at age 27? How will teams have adjusted to his playing style? What will be added to his game as teams adjust to his style of play? Will he fill out, and if so, how will that impact his game? How will his shot look? Is he going to go through long, long stretches of not being able to hit shots just like his brother?

He looks like a stud right now, but he's a lanky stud that relies on his quickness, chaos, and a shaky jumper.

Like Wiseman, he's got a lot of developing to do before he becomes truly elite. He may end up being the best player in this draft, he may also may not even be top 3. All of these guys have a lot of promise and a long road of development.

Let's be happy that our guy has the skills, athleticism, and build to have a long, elite career.

Post #966 » by **Sleepy51** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 2:18 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:. That's it. Let's be honest, there's a reason why most centers are still in college or on the bench (hint: These guys haven't been this tall for that long).

So much this

EvanZ · Post #967 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:42 pm

He was a great dinner guest.

Read on Twitter

Onus · Post #968 » by **Onus** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 5:48 pm

EvanZ wrote:He was a great dinner guest.

Read on Twitter

Is this the adonal foyle story all over again

whatisacenter · Post #969 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 6:21 pm

EvanZ wrote:He was a great dinner guest.

Read on Twitter

maybe you should just start a "FML Lamelo is god" thread? Your schtick is getting tired and you could put all of your troll posts in there.

EvanZ · Post #970 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 8:19 pm

How is it trolling when you are just commenting on an article in which James Wiseman is the subject in a James Wiseman thread on a forum about the sport that James Wiseman plays and a sub-forum for the team that he plays for.

LMAO

EvanZ · Post #971 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 8:20 pm

I guess we should only post mindless Fitz-style positive comments here.

xdrta+ · Post #972 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 8:56 pm

EvanZ wrote:I guess we should only post mindless Fitz-style positive comments here.

Nah, stick with mindless EvanZ-style comments.

whatisacenter · Post #973 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 9:09 pm

EvanZ wrote:How is it trolling when you are just commenting on an article in which James Wiseman is the subject in a James Wiseman thread on a forum about the sport that James Wiseman plays and a sub-forum for the team that he plays for.

LMAO

It was your comment on the article but I’m probably wasting my time stating the obvious.

Old_Blue · Post #974 » by **Old_Blue** » Wed Mar 3, 2021 10:47 pm

EvanZ wrote:I guess we should only post mindless Fitz-style positive comments here.

Perhaps so. LaMelo Ball is clearly a trigger for a lot of people. Just typing the name has been known to induce a sense of weltschmerz and angst over what could have been. :lol:

clyde21 · Post #975 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:02 am

the LaMelo love isn't gonna last long, just like Trae, was always the type of player to look way better on the box scores than he does IRL in terms of the W/L column.

we should not have picked Wiseman, that is pretty clear, but it's not because we should've taken Melo instead. the two obvious choices were staring us in the face: Hali and Vassell via a trade down but now this convo is just groundhog day at this point

also if the Myers seriously drafted Wiseman just because he liked him at dinner, he should be fired on the spot. unacceptable. but of course my expectations for Myers as POBO is waning more and more everyday.

DevinVassell · Post #976 » by **DevinVassell** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 8:07 am

If true, reminds me of when we drafted Ekpe because he wore a tie to the interview.

Very professional.

freypies · Post #977 » by **freypies** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 9:29 am

clyde21 wrote:the LaMelo love isn't gonna last long, just like Trae, was always the type of player to look way better on the box scores than he does IRL in terms of the W/L column.

we should not have picked Wiseman, that is pretty clear, but it's not because we should've taken Melo instead. the two obvious choices were staring us in the face: Hali and Vassell via a trade down but now this convo is just groundhog day at this point

also if the Myers seriously drafted Wiseman just because he liked him at dinner, he should be fired on the spot. unacceptable. but of course my expectations for Myers as POBO is waning more and more everyday.

What are you basing this off of though? Impact metrics (all that I have seen - EPM/BPM/RPM/RAPTOR) rate LaMelo as a net positive, and the Hornets are playing .500 ball with him starting despite time being missed by Graham/Zeller/Hayward occasionally in that span. He is putting up points efficiently for a rookie and has a great AST:TO ratio. What is your reasoning behind thinking he doesn't impact winning?

ahmetmekin · Post #978 » by **ahmetmekin** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 1:12 pm

clyde21 wrote:the LaMelo love isn't gonna last long, just like Trae, was always the type of player to look way better on the box scores than he does IRL in terms of the W/L column.

we should not have picked Wiseman, that is pretty clear, but it's not because we should've taken Melo instead. the two obvious choices were staring us in the face: Hali and Vassell via a trade down but now this convo is just groundhog day at this point

also if the Myers seriously drafted Wiseman just because he liked him at dinner, he should be fired on the spot. unacceptable. but of course my expectations for Myers as POBO is waning more and more everyday.

I definitely agree and at the same time I don't trust the reporter for the importance of the dinner. It looks like it is his educated guess on the Wiseman selection rather than what really happened.

and1GS · Post #979 » by **and1GS** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:12 pm

I think LaMelo looks like the real deal, but I also thought the same about Brandon Jennings. Tyreke won ROY over Steph and never became a star. Some guys bloom early some bloom late. Even Curry's early years look great on paper, but we were in full 'F it' mode chucking shots while he was a complete sieve on defense with unstable ankles.

If you expected Wiseman to come in and through up 17/10 with a couple blocks, ya you'd be disappointed. I came in expecting him to be better than Damion Jones and JaVale McGee with big long term potential. He has things he needs to work on, but he has a very complete offensive game and shows loads of flashes. IDK why one would see that and say 'I give up! Trade him for whatever!'

The rebounding is bad for example. But I think that's an easy fix. I rarely, if ever, see the guy box out. When he does he judges the flight of the ball all wrong. He doesn't even get tip rebounds to teammates. IMO that's a transition thing from playing with teens to competing with fully grown men.

I think we are spoiled by the fact that he came into the NBA looking like such a finished product so we expect more than he can do right now. He doesn't need to put on 80 pounds, he doesn't have holes in his offensive game, he's the right height and he's athletic. That bodes well long term, but keep in mind he's 19, didn't have a training camp and plays a small role on a playoff team. For all the LaMelo love I think we forget the East sucks and his team has always been under .500. Different situations.

and1GS · Post #980 » by **and1GS** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:15 pm

freypies wrote:
clyde21 wrote:the LaMelo love isn't gonna last long, just like Trae, was always the type of player to look way better on the box scores than he does IRL in terms of the W/L column.

we should not have picked Wiseman, that is pretty clear, but it's not because we should've taken Melo instead. the two obvious choices were staring us in the face: Hali and Vassell via a trade down but now this convo is just groundhog day at this point

also if the Myers seriously drafted Wiseman just because he liked him at dinner, he should be fired on the spot. unacceptable. but of course my expectations for Myers as POBO is waning more and more everyday.

What are you basing this off of though? Impact metrics (all that I have seen - EPM/BPM/RPM/RAPTOR) rate LaMelo as a net positive, and the Hornets are playing .500 ball with him starting despite time being missed by Graham/Zeller/Hayward occasionally in that span. He is putting up points efficiently for a rookie and has a great AST:TO ratio. What is your reasoning behind thinking he doesn't impact winning?

IIRC Trae had similar numbers and folks are starting to sour on him, because he's a good talent but not enough to lead a team to mid playoff seeds. He's just making an analogy after a 30 game NBA career.