2020-2021 Regular Season Game 36: Atlanta Hawks (15-20) at Orlando Magic (13-22)

[pepe1991]

The more I think about it, the more I really think the worst Magic player maybe of all time was Jeff Green because that dude was pretty decent before he got to the Magic and a really solid bench forward for several playoff teams immediately after he left the Magic.

I mean the VERY NEXT YEAR after he left that dude was playing major minutes for a team that went to the NBA Finals.

He just completely and utterly stole $15M from the Magic. Showed up and friggin dogged it for a year. 100% didn't care.

I don't know, Harkless had epic time with Magic. In rookie year looked like lock for future starter that could average 12-15 ppg, than got worst next year and was flat out pathetic in year 3 where he decided he won't shoot 3s any more ( made 10 in 44 games on 18% ).

other is Nicholson. He was "offensive specialist" who sucked on offense and was player less on defense.

[drsd]

Told you guys... the tank is strong

If Fournier plays, Orlando probably wins. Another injury equals another loss.

[GelbeWand09]

The more I think about it, the more I really think the worst Magic player maybe of all time was Jeff Green because that dude was pretty decent before he got to the Magic and a really solid bench forward for several playoff teams immediately after he left the Magic.

I mean the VERY NEXT YEAR after he left that dude was playing major minutes for a team that went to the NBA Finals.

He just completely and utterly stole $15M from the Magic. Showed up and friggin dogged it for a year. 100% didn't care.

I don't know, Harkless had epic time with Magic. In rookie year looked like lock for future starter that could average 12-15 ppg, than got worst next year and was flat out pathetic in year 3 where he decided he won't shoot 3s any more ( made 10 in 44 games on 18% ).

other is Nicholson. He was "offensive specialist" who sucked on offense and was player less on defense.

The only time Mo looked kinda ok was when he played for some minutes as small ball PF & even C.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I changed my mind, im on #teamtank lol

That poster was right, i cant support this team playing 5 30 year olds in final minutes.

I think these losses before the trade deadline are important too. Cant give WeHam any hope for playoffs.

[GelbeWand09]

Great result for the tank & kinda fun game. Hawks are trash, no matter the injuries. You won't win anything having 2 of the worst defenders at there position for 30+ mpg. Even more when one is one of the worst defenders of the last 10 years & the 2nd is a big.
Capela isnt good enough defensively to cover that. They need a Giannis/JI/Embiid like defender next to them.

They have to trade Collins yesterday because some GM's probably still think he got any big positive impact.

[pepe1991]

Great result for the tank & kinda fun game. Hawks are trash, no matter the injuries. You won't win anything having 2 of the worst defenders at there position for 30+ mpg. Even more when one is one of the worst defenders of the last 10 years & the 2nd is a big.
Capela isnt good enough defensively to cover that. They need a Giannis/JI/Embiid like defender next to them.

They have to trade Collins yesterday because some GM's probably still think he got any big positive impact.

Collins is still uber effective on offense, he just sucks against us every time
People were telling it's Isaac who kills him, when it looks like he simply does not know how to play agianst us. Regardless, 18 ppg on 62% TS is very good.
I would not touch him with max contract, but on team with veterans he can be very valuable peace ( Miami for example ).

[Skin]

Just saw the final score!



Damn that was a close call.

[GelbeWand09]

Great result for the tank & kinda fun game. Hawks are trash, no matter the injuries. You won't win anything having 2 of the worst defenders at there position for 30+ mpg. Even more when one is one of the worst defenders of the last 10 years & the 2nd is a big.
Capela isnt good enough defensively to cover that. They need a Giannis/JI/Embiid like defender next to them.

They have to trade Collins yesterday because some GM's probably still think he got any big positive impact.

Collins is still uber effective on offense, he just sucks against us every time
People were telling it's Isaac who kills him, when it looks like he simply does not know how to play agianst us. Regardless, 18 ppg on 62% TS is very good.
I would not touch him with max contract, but on team with veterans he can be very valuable peace ( Miami for example ).

I think we're not that far apart in our opinions.
Collins on a reasonable contract, on the right team, with a good defender next to him & as the 3rd option is a good thing. Everything else meh.
I just dont think the Collins/ Trae combi will ever work.

Most bigs should have a high TS%, thats kinda part of there position. If everything you are good at is scoring & your biggest weakness is the most important thing at your position & you doesnt make anyone around you better, you wont help in the win column much.
Collins defense could be fixed with a good defender next to him (like your example, Bam would be perfect), but than you have Trae. The combination wont work. I hear for 3 years how good the Hawks are this season & every year they are not surprisingly a sub 50% team because they cant defend a chair (adding Gallinari doesnt help either )

[pepe1991]

Great result for the tank & kinda fun game. Hawks are trash, no matter the injuries. You won't win anything having 2 of the worst defenders at there position for 30+ mpg. Even more when one is one of the worst defenders of the last 10 years & the 2nd is a big.
Capela isnt good enough defensively to cover that. They need a Giannis/JI/Embiid like defender next to them.

They have to trade Collins yesterday because some GM's probably still think he got any big positive impact.

Collins is still uber effective on offense, he just sucks against us every time
People were telling it's Isaac who kills him, when it looks like he simply does not know how to play agianst us. Regardless, 18 ppg on 62% TS is very good.
I would not touch him with max contract, but on team with veterans he can be very valuable peace ( Miami for example ).

I think we're not that far apart in our opinions.
Collins on a reasonable contract, on the right team, with a good defender next to him & as the 3rd option is a good thing. Everything else meh.
I just dont think the Collins/ Trae combi will ever work.

Most bigs should have a high TS%, thats kinda part of there position. If everything you are good at is scoring & your biggest weakness is the most important thing at your position & you doesnt make anyone around you better, you wont help in the win column much.
Collins defense could be fixed with a good defender next to him (like your example, Bam would be perfect), but than you have Trae. The combination wont work. I hear for 3 years how good the Hawks are this season & every year they are not surprisingly a sub 50% team because they cant defend a chair (adding Gallinari doesnt help either )

tbh only player from Atlanta i really like is Hunter. That guy is flat out legit -great two way player.

I was quick to call Reddish bust last year ,this year guy making case for me. i don't get how somebody can be built like greek god, 6'8 ,super athletic, yet only thing he does on offense is shoot 3s, despite being horrific shooter.

Like, dude, you have everything to become elite player, instad you look like Stanley Johnson cheap knockoff.

[basketballRob]

Collins shouldn't even be a starter. He should be a offensive spark plug off the bench.

[I Rasharted]

Sole possession of fourth in the tank race?

[Knightro]

I don't know, Harkless had epic time with Magic. In rookie year looked like lock for future starter that could average 12-15 ppg, than got worst next year and was flat out pathetic in year 3 where he decided he won't shoot 3s any more ( made 10 in 44 games on 18% ).

other is Nicholson. He was "offensive specialist" who sucked on offense and was player less on defense.

I was going to say Nicholson, but I was too afraid he'd show up and put me in the torture chamber!

[paperboymafia]

holy cow i totally forgot about Nicholson

[thelead]

Duhon couldn’t even bring the ball up the court when pressured. Once the league figured that out, he was done (and he was terrible even before that). He easily wins the worst player award for me.

Do you guys remember him complaining about the other team pressuring him when it started? He literally complained that the other team played tough defense after the game

[Ball4life32]

Great result for the tank & kinda fun game. Hawks are trash, no matter the injuries. You won't win anything having 2 of the worst defenders at there position for 30+ mpg. Even more when one is one of the worst defenders of the last 10 years & the 2nd is a big.
Capela isnt good enough defensively to cover that. They need a Giannis/JI/Embiid like defender next to them.

They have to trade Collins yesterday because some GM's probably still think he got any big positive impact.

Collins isn’t close to one of the worst defenders in league or position.

+1.0 D-Raptor
+1.5 DRPM

He has some games where he struggles but I think he has been solid on that end most of the year...& i do think he is better defensively at the 4 then at the 5.

[Last Guardian]

I changed my mind, im on #teamtank lol

That poster was right, i cant support this team playing 5 30 year olds in final minutes.

I think these losses before the trade deadline are important too. Cant give WeHam any hope for playoffs.

Funny thing is those 30 years LOST THE GAME! Clifford thinks he's giving himself the best chance to win and they couldn't even hold a double digit lead against the Hawks. Sad players, Sad coach.