2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Here’s another idea I’d be down for.

AG & Fournier for Rubio & Beasley

Magic get a 1 year Rental PG who can run an offense and a quality wing. Minny gets the PF they’ve wanted in AG and Bird rights for Fournier

[Ducklett]

Here’s another idea I’d be down for.

AG & Fournier for Rubio & Beasley

Magic get a 1 year Rental PG who can run an offense and a quality wing. Minny gets the PF they’ve wanted in AG and Bird rights for Fournier

We would have to trade Cole or Fultz for Rubio to have any value, I think he is washed Minny is horrible. Beasley is also a dude this front office would never trade for.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Here’s another idea I’d be down for.

AG & Fournier for Rubio & Beasley

Magic get a 1 year Rental PG who can run an offense and a quality wing. Minny gets the PF they’ve wanted in AG and Bird rights for Fournier

We would have to trade Cole or Fultz for Rubio to have any value, I think he is washed Minny is horrible. Beasley is also a dude this front office would never trade for.

What’s Fultz recovery from that ACL injury? Considering Magic are super cautious it’ll be interesting to see.

Is Rubio washed or is he just in a bad spot? Dude had a helluva year in Phoenix and would be 1 year stop gap.

Bigger piece would be Beasley IMO. Dude can ball

[Ducklett]

Here’s another idea I’d be down for.

AG & Fournier for Rubio & Beasley

Magic get a 1 year Rental PG who can run an offense and a quality wing. Minny gets the PF they’ve wanted in AG and Bird rights for Fournier

We would have to trade Cole or Fultz for Rubio to have any value, I think he is washed Minny is horrible. Beasley is also a dude this front office would never trade for.

What’s Fultz recovery from that ACL injury? Considering Magic are super cautious it’ll be interesting to see.

Is Rubio washed or is he just in a bad spot? Dude had a helluva year in Phoenix and would be 1 year stop gap.

Bigger piece would be Beasley IMO. Dude can ball

Beasley is a great player. HE just got a 12 game suspension for a felony, so I can't imagine the front office trading for a guy with extreme behavioral issues.

[drsd]

How about trade with Spurs for DeMar DeRozan? I know he is expiring but he can provide great scoring on the wing

DeRozan does not solve Orlando's structural issues at the wing. And as the Spurs look to make the playoffs with him, he seems untradeable to me.

[drsd]

What’s Fultz recovery from that ACL injury?

In a recent podcast (where he introduced Fultz. Jr.), Fultz Sr. stated he is still on crutches, cannot travel, and spends a lot of time in those weightless running machines.

i.e. he is on schedule - which is a long, long way from contact anything.


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[drsd]

yeah, my bad, i read frp into that but thats not what you said

To be fair: it is what an editor at Forbes thinks.

[jonbob17]

Shams reporting that Celtics and Hornets are among teams interested in Vuc. Rival executives expect any haul for Vucevic would have to be massive.

In Magic speak, see you next year.

[basketballRob]

Shams reporting that Celtics and Hornets are among teams interested in Vuc. Rival executives expect any haul for Vucevic would have to be massive.

In Magic speak, see you next year.

Do you have the link?

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[jonbob17]

Shams reporting that Celtics and Hornets are among teams interested in Vuc. Rival executives expect any haul for Vucevic would have to be massive.

In Magic speak, see you next year.

Do you have the link?

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It was on the Athletic, so there is a pay wall, but that was it, and then a long quote from Vuc,
https://theathletic.com/2425373/2021/03/04/nba-trade-news-rumors-blake-griffin-p-j-tucker-andre-drummond-shams/


Reading some of the other teams rumors. Minnesota interested in John Collins and Aaron Gordon. Twolves had substantive talks about Gordon prior to his ankle injury. Those talks should resume as he nears his return to the floor.

[Def Swami]

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[VFX]

Boston or Charlotte would need a third team if they really wanted to make a “major haul” trade. Not enough realistic trade value on either of those rosters that they would feel comfortable trading.

The other trade makes sense knowing they need to find a Fournier replacement.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y927ymzp

This would alleviate moving Fournier or letting him walk. Essentially any trade involving AG and Minnesota better be returning Beasley.

[Def Swami]

Bill Simmons proposed Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford, and a couple of 1st round picks for Vucevic last week on his podcast. I think that's about the best the Celtics could do. And I'm not sure how to feel about it. I guess it really depends on how much you believe in Nesmith and Langford. It's possible we look at that deal 5 years from now and find out those guys were Danny Ainge's throwaway guys.

I think most Gordon and Vucevic deals will probably be best in the off-season around the draft.

Getting value for Fournier should be priority right now.

[zaymon]

Didnt we stated earlier we have no interest in trading Vucevic ? I get that Celtics and Hornets are interested it would make a lot of sense for them, but there is no mention from Chams that we are interested in dealing him.

Gordon trade makes too much sense. If done with Wolves we would propably have to find third team interested in Rubio. Maybe Bulls ? They have Satoransky, Felicio maybe Otto Porter if we want to move Fournier aswell and lack a playmaker. I think there is something there.

[jonbob17]

Didnt we stated earlier we have no interest in trading Vucevic ? I get that Celtics and Hornets are interested it would make a lot of sense for them, but there is no mention from Chams that we are interested in dealing him.

Gordon trade makes too much sense. If done with Wolves we would propably have to find third team interested in Rubio. Maybe Bulls ? They have Satoransky, Felicio maybe Otto Porter if we want to move Fournier aswell and lack a playmaker. I think there is something there.

By we stated we have no interest did you mean you?

Now, there is almost zero chance that they move Vuc, like the Shams piece said the thought around the league is it would take an absolute haul, which isn't going to happen. Vuc is far more valuable to the Magic than he would be to any other team, and with the way this front office seems to over value their guys, the difference in the buy/ask will be too great.

[Nyce_1]

Boston or Charlotte would need a third team if they really wanted to make a “major haul” trade. Not enough realistic trade value on either of those rosters that they would feel comfortable trading.

The other trade makes sense knowing they need to find a Fournier replacement.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y927ymzp

This would alleviate moving Fournier or letting him walk. Essentially any trade involving AG and Minnesota better be returning Beasley.

I wanted Beasley when Nuggets were shopping him. Talent-wise, good addition. My concern is his character/ off-court fit. I can't see the FO bringing him in.

Fultz/Cole/MCW
Beasley/ Ross/Bacon
JI/Culver
Okeke/Aminu
Vuc/Bamba

Plus whatever whatever we get for Fournier, Birch, Ennis, + 2021 pick

[zaymon]

Didnt we stated earlier we have no interest in trading Vucevic ? I get that Celtics and Hornets are interested it would make a lot of sense for them, but there is no mention from Chams that we are interested in dealing him.

Gordon trade makes too much sense. If done with Wolves we would propably have to find third team interested in Rubio. Maybe Bulls ? They have Satoransky, Felicio maybe Otto Porter if we want to move Fournier aswell and lack a playmaker. I think there is something there.

By we stated we have no interest did you mean you?

Now, there is almost zero chance that they move Vuc, like the Shams piece said the thought around the league is it would take an absolute haul, which isn't going to happen. Vuc is far more valuable to the Magic than he would be to any other team, and with the way this front office seems to over value their guys, the difference in the buy/ask will be too great.

No i didnt mean me. Was it Kevin O'Connor ?

[purpleswordfish]

Bill Simmons proposed Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford, and a couple of 1st round picks for Vucevic last week on his podcast. I think that's about the best the Celtics could do. And I'm not sure how to feel about it. I guess it really depends on how much you believe in Nesmith and Langford. It's possible we look at that deal 5 years from now and find out those guys were Danny Ainge's throwaway guys.

I think most Gordon and Vucevic deals will probably be best in the off-season around the draft.

Getting value for Fournier should be priority right now.

I like Bill Simmons, but his trade ideas are about as bad as Danny Ainge's actual trade proposals are rumored to be. That's a sack of crap for the one player making the Magic somewhat competitive. That trade instantly makes the Magic the worst roster in the NBA.

[jonbob17]

I like Bill Simmons, but his trade ideas are about as bad as Danny Ainge's actual trade proposals are rumored to be. That's a sack of crap for the one player making the Magic somewhat competitive. That trade instantly makes the Magic the worst roster in the NBA.

It's not just about the talent coming back. Personally I hate Nesmith, but say the Magic liked him, and think he is a lottery talent, you get essentially someone you value as a lottery pick and two or more additional first round picks. You get that plus you move off Vucevic's salary.

Next year would you rather have Vucevic and say Ennis/Bacon again, or you could use Vucevic's vacated salary to re-sign Fournier and sign someone like Drummond.

What's better Vucevic/Ennis(or an $8M wing) or Drummond/Fournier. To me it's pretty close. I am certainly not suggesting they make this deal with Celtics, it's terrible in my eyes, but the salary and roster construction has to be part of the conversation when you are talking about Vuc's value.

[Bensational]

Just coming up with a 4 team 'blockbuster-lite' linking recent teams and names:

BOS: Vuc + Bledsoe + JJ

MIN: Gordon + Lonzo + Nesmith + BOS 21 FRP (top 4 protected)

NOP: Kemba

ORL: Edwards + Rubio + Davis

Boston swap Kemba for a cheaper backcourt who move the ball better, and get a C who moves the ball well. Balance the team better.

Minnesota get some young role players who could fit and push their other players another level. Towns/Gordon/Lonzo/Beasley/Russel with Nesmith/Culver/BOS 21FRP on the bench as more youth. Bos pick gives them insurance in case they lose their pick to GSW. That lineup looks more balanced, but whether they can learn to play winning basketball or not is up to Towns probably.

New Orleans consolidates pieces, adds a larger individual impact player and opens up space for Hart/NAW/Kira to get more minutes.

Orlando starts over, going for the highest ceiling out of the trade. Add in a deal sending Fournier to the Mavs for THJr and Green, and the roster looks like:

Bamba/Birch/Davis
(Isaac)/Aminu/Chuma
THJr/MCW
Edwards/Ross/Josh Green
(Fultz)/Rubio/Cole

Should drop right into some top 3 odds for a pick. Add Cade/Kuminga/Green/Suggs/Mobley to that team and we become real interesting again. PG needs balancing for shooting and Bamba needs to show what he can do full time. Edwards isn't a superstar, but a healthy version of Oladipo's career doesn't seem out of the realm of potential to me.