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[emunney]

So an upgrade from Brook? Better fit?

I don't think he'd be an upgrade. He'd be a little different. You could imagine some upside if he's not fully recovered yet.

This is a tough one for me to wrap my head around. My brain tells me we "need" Brook, or someone with a similar skill set, to accomplish everything we want to offensively. My eyes (while bleeding) tell me he often looks like a terrible basketball player. But outside of Boogie, I'm not sure there is an obtainable upgrade. And if Boogie is not an actual upgrade and doesn't possess a similar skill set, then forget about it.

Boogie is also not obtainable right now.

[JayMKE]

I'm afraid we're going to overpay for Tucker and he's just going to suck, dude is old and was never that great to begin with. Provides leadership but it could be a Pau Gasol type move that does us no good too, may was well keep trying with Craig. I really wish they'd give Diakite some time to see what we have since it's not like he's a super young player or not accustomed to winning.

More than anything, if we're going to win we're going to need better guard play than Augustin/Forbes. Brook simply shouldn't be in there when he's not producing or being schemed against so maybe another big to lessen his minutes.

I'm not sure what to do with Jrue, can we wait until the offseason?

[JimmyTheKid]

I don't think he'd be an upgrade. He'd be a little different. You could imagine some upside if he's not fully recovered yet.

This is a tough one for me to wrap my head around. My brain tells me we "need" Brook, or someone with a similar skill set, to accomplish everything we want to offensively. My eyes (while bleeding) tell me he often looks like a terrible basketball player. But outside of Boogie, I'm not sure there is an obtainable upgrade. And if Boogie is not an actual upgrade and doesn't possess a similar skill set, then forget about it.

Boogie is also not obtainable right now.

Not right this second. But I imagine if they thought he was an upgrade to Brook they could wheel and deal a bit to make it happen.

[tydett]

I want Blake after the buyout if we're going for guys who are probably shot but maybe? (hopefully) not.

[tydett]

Although, on second thought, Blake probably doesn't fit this team's nonexistent culture just like Harden or Paul, so that's just a pipe dream.

[raferfenix]

I don't enjoy this team nearly as much as the last 1.75 years and it's frustrating, but as much as I hated the Jrue trade, there is absolutely no way I'm making any assumptions about how far away this team is from a title in the next two years right now. The regular season doesn't matter that much, there are tons of new parts, and the compressed schedule with a short training camp has turned the regular season into even more of a disjointed afterthought than usual.

The Bucks team that beat the Clippers this weekend seemed extremely promising!

Giannis continuing his trajectory towards a transcendent player is the only way we end up a serious contender whether other things go right or not.

Holiday will also hopefully be able to take a significant step up as he further acclimates (and as Budenholzer slowly makes adjustments) and then turns it up come playoff time.

I guess I'm conflicted about how many second round picks we should be willing to attach to DJ Wilson if the best return we can get is PJ Tucker's corpse for a few months.

Maybe Tucker could be a Jerry Stackhouse kind of addition that makes the chemistry click.

However, if it'd be more about a PR boost for Horst to try and save face vs what we'd get on the court, it's not like we have so many other second round picks that we could trade over the summer for someone who could be a more significant addition.

[M-C-G]

Would sac consider something like;
SAC: Lopez (maybe goes to third team), Wilson, Forbes
MKE: Corey Joseph, Richaun Holmes

Frees up about 2M to maybe use on Cousins and/or Diakite? Maybe see if we can put Craig in there instead of Forbes?

Joseph sucks but anything reasonable that gets us Holmes is a win in my book.

I think he has a 2.4M dollar buyout for next year.

[raferfenix]

I want Blake after the buyout if we're going for guys who are probably shot but maybe? (hopefully) not.

Blake must think he has some game left if he'd be giving up millions of dollars to get to a different situation.

Certainly could be delusional (he wouldn't be the first former star to go down that route).

I haven't watched him play this year so don't know.

That's all aside from whether he'd be prioritizing going to a contender and even then whether he'd pick the Bucks.

He could just as easily be desperate to get out of the midwest.

If the Clippers can afford a roster spot they could feel like they owe him something too after making the (disloyal and callous but correct) call to bail on that horrendous contract while they could.

[LuessiT]

Would sac consider something like;
SAC: Lopez (maybe goes to third team), Wilson, Forbes
MKE: Corey Joseph, Richaun Holmes

Frees up about 2M to maybe use on Cousins and/or Diakite? Maybe see if we can put Craig in there instead of Forbes?

Joseph sucks but anything reasonable that gets us Holmes is a win in my book.

I think he has a 2.4M dollar buyout for next year.

Yeah I know that but unlike others I'm fully intend on competing this year so Joseph's on the court value matters to me. This team isn't that far away talent whise but needs better fitting pieces. Holmes is a very good player but he's also expiring. His appeal comes from gaining early bird rights (but now looking closer at it those probably won't be enough to resign him). I have a tough time seeing this trade increase our chances at winning it this year so the intent would mostly be to be in a better position next year.

[M-C-G]

I want Blake after the buyout if we're going for guys who are probably shot but maybe? (hopefully) not.

Blake must think he has some game left if he'd be giving up millions of dollars to get to a different situation.

Certainly could be delusional (he wouldn't be the first former star to go down that route).

I haven't watched him play this year so don't know.

That's all aside from whether he'd be prioritizing going to a contender and even then whether he'd pick the Bucks.

He could just as easily be desperate to get out of the midwest.

If the Clippers can afford a roster spot they could feel like they owe him something too after making the (disloyal and callous but correct) call to bail on that horrendous contract while they could.

I mean, I don't know one person that saw Hayward opting out and getting that 4/120 deal, so who knows?

[SupremeHustle]

I want Blake after the buyout if we're going for guys who are probably shot but maybe? (hopefully) not.

I want Blake and Giannis on the court at the same time, but only if we decide to tank for some reason.

[raferfenix]

I believe the Bucks are really trying to find a small ball lineup for the playoffs that they can trust. I had read when they brought in Craig they viewed him as that piece but it does not seem that he has worked out. I think that is why the interest in Tucker seems to persist.

Giannis torching the Clippers as a small ball 5 in the 4th is some more evidence on this front.

The question then becomes whether PJ Tucker has enough gas left in the tank to be worth what we'd need to deal to get him.

I mean if it's just DJ Wilson as a 'young player' who cares.

If it's just 1 second round pick I'd get that too. We could buy another one.

If it's 2-3 second rounders though that would take more time to recoup.

Don't get me wrong: If we think Tucker is a Stackhouse kind of chemistry fit who could catalyze the roster, I'm all for it!

However, if it's more a desperation flier, I have some reservations at least about the opportunity cost.

[Ruzious]

Tucker's got nothing left on the court - can't waste a roster spot and salary on him.

[LuessiT]

Tucker's got nothing left on the court - can't waste a roster spot and salary on him.

I very much disagree with that.

[raferfenix]

Tucker's got nothing left on the court - can't waste a roster spot and salary on him.

I very much disagree with that.

Other consideration:

Would a Tucker trade also be about dumping DJ Augustin?

If we are trading them enough second rounders maybe they take him on.

The Bucks then have some more room under the hard cap this season and get out of Augustin's salary commitment for next year, fwiw.

[Ruzious]

Tucker's got nothing left on the court - can't waste a roster spot and salary on him.

I very much disagree with that.

Being right all the time is a burden I have to live with. You don't know how lucky you are to not have that problem.

[crkone]

DJA is 6th on the team in the team's past 15 games in NetRtg, he's 4th in the past 10 games and that's with Jaylen Adams and his +40 in a couple minutes of action.

[thrice123]

If we could somehow get Homles from the kings I'd be pretty happy with the trade deadline. Even that seems unlikely with the pieces we have to trade.

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[jschligs]

I know Tucker doesn't have much "left in the tank." But he's playing 30mpg right now on a terrible Houston team. Could we squeeze more out of him if he played 15-20 min? Someone mentioned he seems similar to Pau Gasol, that's a horrible comparison, Pau was worthless from a playing time stand point and everyone knew it. PJ still can play, just not 30mpg.

[skones]

Difference maker PJ Tucker with 23.5/22.2/75.0 splits in February. He's turning it around! Not cooked at all!

Imagine thinking a 6'5 front court player going on 36 is going to help your defense come the playoffs. You know, instead of shot creators who aren't complete sieves (just provide SOME resistance) like Forbes and Augustin.