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coolhandluke121 · Post #1821 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 7:49 pm

thonnisbeastley wrote:DDV is definitely more of a 6th man than the starting SG on a contender. That being said, he’s been better than Wes was last season and still has a couple years of development left. Wish he was a little bit taller, but he’s still a baller.

Do you realize the state of the SG position in the NBA right now? The scorers who give up as much as they get, if not more, are a dime-a-dozen. It's really hard to be a good-to-great defender while still being a good complementary scorer on offense, and those players are very rare. That's why DDV has much better advanced stats than so many guys with gaudier box score stats. He just flat-out contributes more to his team and no amount of refusing to believe it makes it untrue.

Ron Swanson · Post #1822 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:06 pm

Starting to talk myself into Richaun Holmes being that next 2017-19 Dewayne Dedmon guy. Get him on the roster and start having him practice shooting 3's. DJW plus their pick of Merrill or Nwora works. Opens up a roster spot for us to pursue a buy-out guy.

crowhead76 · Post #1823 » by **crowhead76** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:09 pm

Sign Dedmon or Cousins and Ariza if he is bought out.

Holiday - Wright - (2)Powell
DDV - Pat - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Ariza - Ennis - Nwora
Giannis - Portis - Thanasis
Lopez - Dedmon/Cousins - (2)Diakite

chonestown · Post #1824 » by **chonestown** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:10 pm

Daver wrote:Say what you will but donte is only starting here by default(not saying much) if they had anyone more capable he would be where he belongs as a 6th man.
Hopefully horst sees that to

Ah, the minty-fresh scent of meritocracy. You love too see (smell) it (the meritocracy) in action (Donte starting over other currently available SG options).

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1825 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:23 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Starting to talk myself into Richaun Holmes being that next 2017-19 Dewayne Dedmon guy. Get him on the roster and start having him practice shooting 3's. DJW plus their pick of Merrill or Nwora works. Opens up a roster spot for us to pursue a buy-out guy.

Holmes already fancies himself as a 3pt shooter he's just never had the green light to hoist a bunch of them.

I'd love to add him but i wonder if the kings will actually trade him, he's one of their best players.

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LuessiT · Post #1826 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:25 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Starting to talk myself into Richaun Holmes being that next 2017-19 Dewayne Dedmon guy. Get him on the roster and start having him practice shooting 3's. DJW plus their pick of Merrill or Nwora works. Opens up a roster spot for us to pursue a buy-out guy.

My issue is that we'd only gain early bird rights and not full bird rights by trading for him and I think there'd be a big chance that he'd be gone in the off-season. I like him a lot because his floor is high and he has potential, but if he's a rental I'm less inclined to trade for him.

LuessiT · Post #1827 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:27 pm

If the Lakers were to trade Wes I'd gladly take him back by the way. Swapping him with either DJ would help out a lot.

StickeeFingaz · Post #1828 » by **StickeeFingaz** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:51 pm

Wouldn’t really be surprised if the Bucks decided to move Donte before the trade deadline since they traded him in the offseason. Plus, when opposing GMs check on his stats at Basketball Reference, they see that 38% 3PT percentage.

KOC kinda emphasized in the latest Mismatch pod that the Bucks aren’t done making moves and of course Donte would be the most realistically available trade asset.

Siefer · Post #1829 » by **Siefer** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 8:59 pm

crowhead76 wrote:

Sign Dedmon or Cousins and Ariza if he is bought out.

Holiday - Wright - (2)Powell
DDV - Pat - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Ariza - Ennis - Nwora
Giannis - Portis - Thanasis
Lopez - Dedmon/Cousins - (2)Diakite

I've been monkeying around with similar types of deals, but I'm struggling to justify why the other teams would do it. DJA's contract in particular is a notable negative.

Post #1830 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 9:10 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Starting to talk myself into Richaun Holmes being that next 2017-19 Dewayne Dedmon guy. Get him on the roster and start having him practice shooting 3's. DJW plus their pick of Merrill or Nwora works. Opens up a roster spot for us to pursue a buy-out guy.
Holmes already fancies himself as a 3pt shooter he's just never had the green light to hoist a bunch of them.

I'd love to add him but i wonder if the kings will actually trade him, he's one of their best players.

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Yeah, not seeing why Sac wouldn't want to keep him and offer him a pretty good contract extension. I got the impression they like him.

Siefer · Post #1831 » by **Siefer** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 9:18 pm

Indy should do this as a gift to me.

crowhead76 · Post #1832 » by **crowhead76** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 9:27 pm

Siefer wrote:
crowhead76 wrote:

Sign Dedmon or Cousins and Ariza if he is bought out.

Holiday - Wright - (2)Powell
DDV - Pat - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Ariza - Ennis - Nwora
Giannis - Portis - Thanasis
Lopez - Dedmon/Cousins - (2)Diakite

I've been monkeying around with similar types of deals, but I'm struggling to justify why the other teams would do it. DJA's contract in particular is a notable negative.

Agreed, that 3 year deal is an anchor, wishful thinking that Orlando sees some value in him to help mentor Anthony and Fultz. They move off Bamba but get Svi back in the deal which would be a nice addition for them. Detroit stays true to finding value in other teams cast offs or draft busts.

The goal is to somehow turn the DJ's into Delon Wright as I think he is a great fit for this Bucks team or at least a huge upgrade DJA.

The other move I keep toying with is sending Craig back to Denver for PJ Dozier, in some very limited reading it seems as if their fans miss Craig and the defense he brought next to Jokic.

raferfenix · Post #1833 » by **raferfenix** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 9:46 pm

I think Donte likely has significant trade value.

But does anyone have a realistic scenario where it’d be worth dealing him?

Suspect it’d take a lot considering the flashes Donte has shown this season.

Ron Swanson · Post #1834 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:06 pm

Donte's trade value was always best maximized as a guy included with a package of picks when you throw the big-time offer at a guy like Lillard/Kawhi/Butler/PG/Beal etc. But that's the problem. You don't have any picks to include, so you're stuck trying to find a 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 type move for lower salary guys, and I'm not really seeing many trades out there that make us better when you're only using his singular value in a vacuum.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1835 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:09 pm

There's nothing wrong with trading DDV in the right deal. I'm possibly his biggest fan but I think I might have been the first one to suggest combining him with Brook in a trade for someone who's better than either of them if possible, especially since I think they'll have to pay DDV a lot starting in 2022.

The idea that they should trade him because they need an upgrade at SG is just nauseatingly dumb though, and the constant sarcastic comments every time he has a bad game (or more accurately, an average game but a bad game on offense) reminds me an awful lot of the people who made sarcastic comments about Jabari doubters every time he had a good game. It's just incredible to me how long it takes some people to realize the most blatantly obvious truths about certain players despite all the evidence. I'm guessing we'll keep doing this for another year and then all those people are finally all going to realize at once that DDV is really good about 3/4 of the way through the last year of his rookie deal even though he'll basically just be the exact same player he is now, just like it took them that long to finally realize Jennings and Jabari were trash even though they weren't playing any differently than they had all along.

emunney · Post #1836 » by **emunney** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:17 pm

crowhead76 wrote:

Sign Dedmon or Cousins and Ariza if he is bought out.

Holiday - Wright - (2)Powell
DDV - Pat - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Ariza - Ennis - Nwora
Giannis - Portis - Thanasis
Lopez - Dedmon/Cousins - (2)Diakite

Can you cook something up where we get Svi?

Ron Swanson · Post #1837 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:20 pm

Dude, we get it. You **** hate Jabari, he tore his ACL twice before he turned 22, and he sucks now. Let it go.

crowhead76 · Post #1838 » by **crowhead76** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:31 pm

emunney wrote:
crowhead76 wrote:

Sign Dedmon or Cousins and Ariza if he is bought out.

Holiday - Wright - (2)Powell
DDV - Pat - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Ariza - Ennis - Nwora
Giannis - Portis - Thanasis
Lopez - Dedmon/Cousins - (2)Diakite

Can you cook something up where we get Svi?

That was actually how I started, I wanted both Svi and Wright.

smauss · Post #1839 » by **smauss** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:55 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
smauss wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:DDV is fine but certainly not untouchable. If the right trade comes along (subjective of course) it's adios Donte.

Well, that could be said for anyone on this roster. FWIW MD, I was not at all happy when he was included in Bogy trade tho.

Yup, outside of Giannis you listen to offers for any of our guys. That doesn't mean you'll get fair value but you certainly take the call. We may very well stand pat, it takes two to make a trade, but you have to at least try. This is not a roster you sit on and hope somehow the magic begins with the playoffs.

Agreed!

coolhandluke121 · Post #1840 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 10:59 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, we get it. You **** hate Jabari, he tore his ACL twice before he turned 22, and he sucks now. Let it go.

I didn't even hate him, just pointed out that he wasn't good. The only emotional bias was coming from all his fanboys. And there are important lessons to be learned from that, namely that there's so much more to the game than goddamn PPGZ, so it's still relevant because so many people still can't get that through their heads when you hear them talk about DDV. DDV is the antithesis of Jabari and thinking Jabari was going to be good reveals that same myopic ideas about basketball as thinking DDV is not.