Glen Taylor Selling Timberwolves Again

[Jedzz]

It could never happen that an owner would bring in a GM with instructions, “Make this team so disappointing, that people won’t care if I move it” right? That can’t happen?

I can be pretty cynical about these things but don’t thing that happened here. I just think Taylor and Rosas are that inept.

It really wouldn't make sense unless Taylor was moving the team but keeping it and Rosas. It doesn't make any sense that Rosas would willingly destroy his own reputation and then be forced to look for a new job after the new owner fired him.

These are good points Worm Guts. Wouldn't make much sense unless Taylor was keeping them.

I do go wth idea that he was willing to reach lux and get something hopefully looking better with Towns having Dlo to hopefully help the team sale occur and keep value up. Probably was hoping they could reach relevance of some level.

Doesn't mean I didn't entertain strange reasonings along the way for Rosas helping Houston gain Covington for their final run and then helping Warriors offload small bits of cap room so they could bring in Dlo there. I believe those were all relationship creating moves helping to foster future ones. But before those later moves ended up happening it could have been construed like Rosas was brought in to just use the Timberwolves franchise as a tool for other team's transactions use before they dismantled and sold it. Your system needs 3 n D players and they trade their only one away who was on a great contract. Carries on still today though with fans talk about trading away two of the teams only 3 shooters now. How their system could improve doing these things...I just won't see it happening until they do it. Then start scratching my head again.

[Jedzz]

All I care about is it going to someone who will keep it here. Growing increasingly worried they will move the team because of the horrible history.

KC area maybe if Seattle and Vegas get the new franchises.

[AbeVigodaLive]

It could never happen that an owner would bring in a GM with instructions, “Make this team so disappointing, that people won’t care if I move it” right? That can’t happen?

Isn't that the plot to Major League?

Except in this version the players are all for getting out of Minnesota.

Wait... does this all end with a life-size cardboard cutout of a naked Glen Taylor?

Ewwwww.

Watch on YouTube

[winforlose]

You guys are so quick to call Rosas a failure, but the truth is we still don’t know. Put aside the Ryan of it all (which we don’t know is his fault,) he still found a lot of young guys with decent game. If we could actually develop them who knows how the roster turns out. Edwards and Culver both have potential. MCD and Nowell both have flashed more than raw potential. Each one could be a starter in 2 or 3 years on a decent team. Naz is raw as Fu** but he cost us almost nothing and is still the best undrafted I can remember us signing. JMAC is another great find for a two way. All of that is not even mentioning Beasley. I know you guys hate Dlo but I feel you gave up on him because of a stretch of games without proper coaching, without proper schemes, without KAT, and with little meaningful help from his teammates. Give him an honest chance before you say he is a disaster.

Rosas sin is small ball. It needs to end and I think it will end. Watching Houston fall apart and then watching his own team fail so epically should be a kick in Rosas a**. If he lets that kick motivate him this team has plenty of talent. Layman is better than people give credit for. Okogie is salvageable as is Vando. If not salvaged by us someone else will do it and might give us second round picks for them. We need patients, you cannot expect the youngest team in the league to overcome everything happening now without proper coaching and development. Let’s see if Finch can provide it.

[Big_Red1988]

I feel I just want to see an entire restart to the franchise and give everybody a clear direction as to what's going on and not just somewhere in between which is what It feels like at the moment. In my opinion. Are we rebuilding or are we trying to win?

Glen Taylor needs to sell the team. New owners bring in who they want in the front office. Sell off any assets to get the most 1st round picks you can get. That means trading both KAT and DLo. Then seek out a potential star who wants a franchise of their own to put on their shoulders and carry the franchise into the future.

Jayden Brown, Sabonis, or Adebayo come to mind for me for a future face of the franchise. Thoughts?

[Merc_Porto]

You guys are so quick to call Rosas a failure, but the truth is we still don’t know. Put aside the Ryan of it all (which we don’t know is his fault,) he still found a lot of young guys with decent game. If we could actually develop them who knows how the roster turns out. Edwards and Culver both have potential. MCD and Nowell both have flashed more than raw potential. Each one could be a starter in 2 or 3 years on a decent team. Naz is raw as Fu** but he cost us almost nothing and is still the best undrafted I can remember us signing. JMAC is another great find for a two way. All of that is not even mentioning Beasley. I know you guys hate Dlo but I feel you gave up on him because of a stretch of games without proper coaching, without proper schemes, without KAT, and with little meaningful help from his teammates. Give him an honest chance before you say he is a disaster.

Alternative reality check.
Love the blame you constantly put on Ryan, the youngest coach in the NBA at the time while at same time you see the bright in all of the young guys that Rosas brought. You even try to say, look the only mistake Rosas did was to hire Ryan as head coach but we really don’t know if is his fault.

And no, nobody hates Dlo just because of a "stretch of games". That just just a nice way for some of you saying that without check all the indicators of how bad this guy has been through his entire career.
And is not hate, he's just not that good, never was and will never be. And since he's on my favorite team of course i would like to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league.

[winforlose]

You guys are so quick to call Rosas a failure, but the truth is we still don’t know. Put aside the Ryan of it all (which we don’t know is his fault,) he still found a lot of young guys with decent game. If we could actually develop them who knows how the roster turns out. Edwards and Culver both have potential. MCD and Nowell both have flashed more than raw potential. Each one could be a starter in 2 or 3 years on a decent team. Naz is raw as Fu** but he cost us almost nothing and is still the best undrafted I can remember us signing. JMAC is another great find for a two way. All of that is not even mentioning Beasley. I know you guys hate Dlo but I feel you gave up on him because of a stretch of games without proper coaching, without proper schemes, without KAT, and with little meaningful help from his teammates. Give him an honest chance before you say he is a disaster.

Alternative reality check.
Love the blame you constantly put on Ryan, the youngest coach in the NBA at the time while at same time you see the bright in all of the young guys that Rosas brought.

And no, nobody hates Dlo just because of a "stretch of games". That just just a nice way for some of you saying that without check all the indicators of how bad this guy has been through his entire career.
And is not hate, he's just not that good, never was and will never be. And since he's on my favorite team of course i would like to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league.

Ryan is not now and never was a coach. He may have had the title, but he never did the job. It’s one thing to be a young NBA player who gets evaluated by scouts and drafted to a team. Someone like Naz or JMAC can also go undrafted and still find value and eventually earn a contract on an NBA team (Naz in Vegas, JMAC trying through two way.) Then there are guys like Ryan who get hired to a job that they are not qualified for not by merit but by connections. In this case a connection he didn’t even need to earn. Then he banks on other connections to get a promotion he did not earn. The difference between a player growing with the job and a coach growing with the job is night and day. A single player doesn’t pick the rotations, set the schemes, and assume responsibility for the development of other young players. Bad coaches destroy good teams, good coaches elevate bad teams. Ryan had one skill, sucking up to players. They didn’t play well for him, but they helped him keep his job.

As for Dlo, I disagree fundamentally. A 25 year old (just turned end of February,) with his skill set has more upside then you give him credit for. Playing on multiple teams means he has had to keep changing systems which means he is hard to evaluate. He has played in 30 some games with the Wolves and only 5 with KAT. To say he is a lost cause is beyond premature, it’s down right silly. If Rubio can improve why not Dlo?

[Jedzz]

I feel I just want to see an entire restart to the franchise and give everybody a clear direction as to what's going on and not just somewhere in between which is what It feels like at the moment. In my opinion. Are we rebuilding or are we trying to win?

Glen Taylor needs to sell the team. New owners bring in who they want in the front office. Sell off any assets to get the most 1st round picks you can get. That means trading both KAT and DLo. Then seek out a potential star who wants a franchise of their own to put on their shoulders and carry the franchise into the future.

Jayden Brown, Sabonis, or Adebayo come to mind for me for a future face of the franchise. Thoughts?

Let's do it! Whatever the course choice, go all in that way.

[Merc_Porto]

Ryan is not now and never was a coach. He may have had the title, but he never did the job. It’s one thing to be a young NBA player who gets evaluated by scouts and drafted to a team. Someone like Naz or JMAC can also go undrafted and still find value and eventually earn a contract on an NBA team (Naz in Vegas, JMAC trying through two way.) Then there are guys like Ryan who get hired to a job that they are not qualified for not by merit but by connections. In this case a connection he didn’t even need to earn. Then he banks on other connections to get a promotion he did not earn. The difference between a player growing with the job and a coach growing with the job is night and day. A single player doesn’t pick the rotations, set the schemes, and assume responsibility for the development of other young players. Bad coaches destroy good teams, good coaches elevate bad teams. Ryan had one skill, sucking up to players. They didn’t play well for him, but they helped him keep his job.

As for Dlo, I disagree fundamentally. A 25 year old (just turned end of February,) with his skill set has more upside then you give him credit for. Playing on multiple teams means he has had to keep changing systems which means he is hard to evaluate. He has played in 30 some games with the Wolves and only 5 with KAT. To say he is a lost cause is beyond premature, it’s down right silly. If Rubio can improve why not Dlo?

Everybody knows why Ryan was promoted in the first place and maybe that wasnt the right way at all to do things but to pretend that he had a brilliant roster to work is just completely wrong. And of course covid + injuried played a huge role but youre also forgetting the most important thing in all of this, this roster lacks quality, has major holes and thats exclusive on Rosas that was irresponsible to a point where he gave a low and valuable protected pick without having a decent roster to backup that decision in the first place.

On top of all of this add the fact that our roster is completly unbalanced since day one. For god sake we started the season with a rotation of Juancho and Layman in the power forward position. Ryan unfortunely had to deal with the lack of quality and to make it worse he even had to deal with an unbalanced roster. Maybe he was lucky to get an head coach job so early in the NBA but oh boy, he was so unlucky to get his first chance with this roster and under this GM to work for...

Rubio was a net-positive since the day he arrived in the NBA and he was paid properly by his production.
Dlo has been bad (with every single stat you can find to prove it) since the day he arrived to the league and was massive overpaid.
Im not saying hes bad to be out of the league, im saying hes bad because he is getting +15M than he should earn.

Is not hate at all.

[winforlose]

Ryan is not now and never was a coach. He may have had the title, but he never did the job. It’s one thing to be a young NBA player who gets evaluated by scouts and drafted to a team. Someone like Naz or JMAC can also go undrafted and still find value and eventually earn a contract on an NBA team (Naz in Vegas, JMAC trying through two way.) Then there are guys like Ryan who get hired to a job that they are not qualified for not by merit but by connections. In this case a connection he didn’t even need to earn. Then he banks on other connections to get a promotion he did not earn. The difference between a player growing with the job and a coach growing with the job is night and day. A single player doesn’t pick the rotations, set the schemes, and assume responsibility for the development of other young players. Bad coaches destroy good teams, good coaches elevate bad teams. Ryan had one skill, sucking up to players. They didn’t play well for him, but they helped him keep his job.

As for Dlo, I disagree fundamentally. A 25 year old (just turned end of February,) with his skill set has more upside then you give him credit for. Playing on multiple teams means he has had to keep changing systems which means he is hard to evaluate. He has played in 30 some games with the Wolves and only 5 with KAT. To say he is a lost cause is beyond premature, it’s down right silly. If Rubio can improve why not Dlo?

Everybody knows why Ryan was promoted in the first place and maybe that wasnt the right way at all to do things but to pretend that he had a brilliant roster to work is just completely wrong. And of course covid + injuried played a huge role but youre also forgetting the most important thing in all of this, this roster lacks quality, has major holes and thats exclusive on Rosas that was irresponsible to a point where he gave a low and valuable protected pick without having a decent roster to backup that decision in the first place.

On top of all of this add the fact that our roster is completly unbalanced since day one. For god sake we started the season with a rotation of Juancho and Layman in the power forward position. Ryan unfortunely had to deal with the lack of quality and to make it worse he even had to deal with an unbalanced roster. Maybe he was lucky to get an head coach job so early in the NBA but oh boy, he was so unlucky to get his first chance with this roster and under this GM to work for...

Rubio was a net-positive since the day he arrived in the NBA and he was paid properly by his production.
Dlo has been bad (with every single stat you can find to prove it) since the day he arrived to the league and was massive overpaid.
Im not saying hes bad to be out of the league, im saying hes bad because he is getting +15M than he should earn.

Is not hate at all.

I literally cannot fathom how you came to your opinion. I watched Ed Davis stand behind the 3 point line for the majority of his time on the floor. This is a player who claimed he never intends to shoot another 3 again before the season started. I watched the clown blow end of game after end of game situation sabotaging any chance of close wins. Look how little player development has occurred for our young players (Okogie, Naz, and Vando come to mind.) Our schemes are more than bad they are non existent. Please point out one or two things you think he did correctly.

As for Dlo, I read a fantastic article about him I just cannot remember where it was from. I think it was CanisHoopus. They showed his off ball numbers are way better then his on ball numbers. If nothing else, this shows potential still untapped. With a healthy lineup and good scheme I truly believe he will earn his money.

[Merc_Porto]

I literally cannot fathom how you came to your opinion. I watched Ed Davis stand behind the 3 point line for the majority of his time on the floor. This is a player who claimed he never intends to shoot another 3 again before the season started. I watched the clown blow end of game after end of game situation sabotaging any chance of close wins. Look how little player development has occurred for our young players (Okogie, Naz, and Vando come to mind.) Our schemes are more than bad they are non existent. Please point out one or two things you think he did correctly.

As for Dlo, I read a fantastic article about him I just cannot remember where it was from. I think it was CanisHoopus. They showed his off ball numbers are way better then his on ball numbers. If nothing else, this shows potential still untapped. With a healthy lineup and good scheme I truly believe he will earn his money.

Ryan had his faults for sure and im not even deny that but again he was the least of our problems and you will see exactly that if the roster continues without changes in this months left to the end of the season. The roster construction was the real problem here and that wasnt on Ryan. You were the one that started to highlight the moves that Rosas made while at same time you were making excuses for the things that didnt work out.

No GM in his right mind goes for a must win season with this roster. And yes, the minute he made that trade in February of 2020 for Dlo then the next had to be a must win season and he didnt made any significant moves to win after that. And now we are in a situation where we are the worst team in the league and we have a real chance of not getting our own lottery pick, thats embarrising.

[winforlose]

I literally cannot fathom how you came to your opinion. I watched Ed Davis stand behind the 3 point line for the majority of his time on the floor. This is a player who claimed he never intends to shoot another 3 again before the season started. I watched the clown blow end of game after end of game situation sabotaging any chance of close wins. Look how little player development has occurred for our young players (Okogie, Naz, and Vando come to mind.) Our schemes are more than bad they are non existent. Please point out one or two things you think he did correctly.

As for Dlo, I read a fantastic article about him I just cannot remember where it was from. I think it was CanisHoopus. They showed his off ball numbers are way better then his on ball numbers. If nothing else, this shows potential still untapped. With a healthy lineup and good scheme I truly believe he will earn his money.

Ryan had his faults for sure and im not even deny that but again he was the least of our problems and you will see exactly that if the roster continues without changes in this months left to the end of the season. The roster construction was the real problem here and that wasnt on Ryan. You were the one that started to highlight the moves that Rosas made while at same time you were making excuses for the things that didnt work out.

No GM in his right mind goes for a must win season with this roster. And yes, the minute he made that trade in February of 2020 for Dlo then the next had to be a must win season and he didnt made any significant moves to win after that. And now we are in a situation where we are the worst team in the league and we have a real chance of not getting our own lottery pick, thats embarrising.

I guess where we differ is our opinion of the importance of a head coach. I find scheme play to be essential to get the best out of players (especially young players.) Beasley is the perfect example. As a catch and shoot the guy is a 40+% volume 3 point shooter. He is the medicine this teams shooting has been praying for. Yet his weakness is shot creation. A good scheme creates for him and he could easily score 30 points per game. A bad system makes him scramble to get open and he doesn’t score for a quarter or even a half. Another example is Ed Davis. Ed Davis is a strong post player. Ryan had him playing behind the 3 point line where not only can he not contribute but his defender can double anyone who can shoot. I cannot think of a single player who was not dramatically reduced because of Ryan’s offensive scheme. All of that is true before you even consider the effect bad coaching has on young players. Edwards is a train wreck instead of contending for ROTY. If Edwards were on GSW or Charlotte we would be saying we missed a great value pick. The kid can get to the rim at will and has serious athleticism. We are broken because someone broke us. Had we not been sabotaged by bad coaching our must win season would be looking much better and so would the Dlo trade.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Glen came out and said now is not a good time to sell. FMD.

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[Merc_Porto]

We are broken because someone broke us.

Ryan broke us?

[winforlose]

We are broken because someone broke us.

Ryan broke us?

Yes. Not developing young talent, not running any kind of scheme to keep us competitive without KAT. Not motivating his players to bring consistent energy in any season he was in charge. Finch is 0-4 but the season was over when he came in. Ryan was the one who let things fall apart and allowed guys like Dlo and Edwards to go off the rails. Finch is trying to get Edwards back under control, but it’s much easier at the start of the season then half way through. Ryan broke us last season and this season, and it will take a miracle for Finch to fix us in time for next season.

To your Rosas point. We need a true backup center and to move Naz to PF. I wouldn’t mind a true starting center and move KAT to PF. I wouldn’t mind having MCD and Layman as your 3s with Beasley and Ant as your 2s. Replace Rubio with someone who can shoot and when Dlo gets healthy you are set. Is it going to happen? Of course not. Rosas sin is small ball, and until he brings in true size he will always be guilty of that. But, does small ball need to be this bad and lose this many games? Of course not, small ball only works if you do the things you need to do to compensate for lack of size. Gang rebound, off ball movement, a solid defensive scheme to compensate for mouse in the house defense. Ryan did none of it which makes Rosas look even worse than he already is. The roster by itself is capable of winning, but not without proper schemes.

[Merc_Porto]

That's just wrong on so many levels.

The way you overrated the talent of this team is unbelievable.

[winforlose]

That's just wrong on so many levels.

The way you overrated the talent of this team is unbelievable.

You watch basketball and see what is, but you don’t see what should be. In what world should Edwards be taking 10 3s a game. Or even 5 3s per game. How many of those misses do we rebound? You see Naz Reid get pushed around in the paint or fail to clean the glass. How many of those missed defensive rebounds turn into easy points either in putbacks or 3s. The list could go on and on and on. You blame Rosas for not finding better talent, I blame Ryan for wasting what talent is already there. Look up Dlo’s off ball numbers. Look up Edwards at the rim numbers. Look up Beasley’s catch and shoot numbers. Look at Nowell’s catch and shoot numbers. This team has talent, but it’s not translating because no one is putting the players in a position to succeed.

[Merc_Porto]

That's just wrong on so many levels.

The way you overrated the talent of this team is unbelievable.

You watch basketball and see what is, but you don’t see what should be. In what world should Edwards be taking 10 3s a game. Or even 5 3s per game. How many of those misses do we rebound? You see Naz Reid get pushed around in the paint or fail to clean the glass. How many of those missed defensive rebounds turn into easy points either in putbacks or 3s. The list could go on and on and on. You blame Rosas for not finding better talent, I blame Ryan for wasting what talent is already there. Look up Dlo’s off ball numbers. Look up Edwards at the rim numbers. Look up Beasley’s catch and shoot numbers. Look at Nowell’s catch and shoot numbers. This team has talent, but it’s not translating because no one is putting the players in a position to succeed.

Yes, look at all the numbers. Not only the ones that favor your narrative. And no i don't watch basketball and see only what is and not what should be. That's why many of us predict pretty easily this outcome.

In what world Edwards should be taking 10 3s in a game? Seriously?
You know the usage / stats of Edwards since Finch took over right?

Is Ryan's fault for the last 4 games of Edwards too ?

Edwards last 4 games under Finch:

Fga: 20, 22, 22, 23

The previous 4 with Ryan:

Fga: 15, 14, 11, 13

[winforlose]

That's just wrong on so many levels.

The way you overrated the talent of this team is unbelievable.

You watch basketball and see what is, but you don’t see what should be. In what world should Edwards be taking 10 3s a game. Or even 5 3s per game. How many of those misses do we rebound? You see Naz Reid get pushed around in the paint or fail to clean the glass. How many of those missed defensive rebounds turn into easy points either in putbacks or 3s. The list could go on and on and on. You blame Rosas for not finding better talent, I blame Ryan for wasting what talent is already there. Look up Dlo’s off ball numbers. Look up Edwards at the rim numbers. Look up Beasley’s catch and shoot numbers. Look at Nowell’s catch and shoot numbers. This team has talent, but it’s not translating because no one is putting the players in a position to succeed.

Yes, look at all the numbers. Not only the ones that favor your narrative. And no i don't watch basketball and see only what is and not what should be. That's why many of us predict pretty easily this outcome.

In what world Edwards should be taking 10 3s in a game? Seriously?
You know the usage / stats of Edwards since Finch took over right?

Is Ryan's fault for the last 4 games of Edwards too ?

Edwards last 4 games under Finch:

Fga: 20, 22, 22, 23

The previous 4 with Ryan:

Fga: 15, 14, 11, 13

Easy answer is of course it is. Ryan got fired on a Sunday night, we had a back to back games on a Tuesday and Wednesday. You really think Finch or any coach has time to implement any new system in that time? Also, with Beasley suspended you see an increased usage for Edwards anyway. But the difference is Finch told him 2/3 drives and 1/3 jump shooting. If Ryan had told him this back in December or even in January it would be easier for him to make the switch now. Much harder to unlearn bad habits then to learn good ones. Finch is on the hook more after the break because he at least got some time with them, but even then it might be a few weeks or even a month before he can truly implement his vision.

[Merc_Porto]

You watch basketball and see what is, but you don’t see what should be. In what world should Edwards be taking 10 3s a game. Or even 5 3s per game. How many of those misses do we rebound? You see Naz Reid get pushed around in the paint or fail to clean the glass. How many of those missed defensive rebounds turn into easy points either in putbacks or 3s. The list could go on and on and on. You blame Rosas for not finding better talent, I blame Ryan for wasting what talent is already there. Look up Dlo’s off ball numbers. Look up Edwards at the rim numbers. Look up Beasley’s catch and shoot numbers. Look at Nowell’s catch and shoot numbers. This team has talent, but it’s not translating because no one is putting the players in a position to succeed.

Yes, look at all the numbers. Not only the ones that favor your narrative. And no i don't watch basketball and see only what is and not what should be. That's why many of us predict pretty easily this outcome.

In what world Edwards should be taking 10 3s in a game? Seriously?
You know the usage / stats of Edwards since Finch took over right?

Is Ryan's fault for the last 4 games of Edwards too ?

Edwards last 4 games under Finch:

Fga: 20, 22, 22, 23

The previous 4 with Ryan:

Fga: 15, 14, 11, 13

Easy answer is of course it is. Ryan got fired on a Sunday night, we had a back to back games on a Tuesday and Wednesday. You really think Finch or any coach has time to implement any new system in that time? Also, with Beasley suspended you see an increased usage for Edwards anyway. But the difference is Finch told him 2/3 drives and 1/3 jump shooting. If Ryan had told him this back in December or even in January it would be easier for him to make the switch now. Much harder to unlearn bad habits then to learn good ones. Finch is on the hook more after the break because he at least got some time with them, but even then it might be a few weeks or even a month before he can truly implement his vision.

Is not about system this. Is about held accountable a player that is playing really poor basketball. Especially a rookie. Is about telling a guy, stop shooting 3s, simple as that.

Finch actually increased his usage and you can notice that pretty easily. And is not because of Beasley suspension either because you don't increase someome usage when that guy is playing really bad. You give the ball to your veteran PG for example instead of puting him a corner.

First game of Finch Beasley was there too and we saw already a change in the way Edwards was more involved.

But at this point everything is Ryan's fault i see.