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[bwgood77]

This would be a HUGE pickup, especially for Charlotte...I mean Boston too given they are closer to contending, but it would be interesting to see in Charlotte. He could really spread the floor for Charlotte and their guards...in Boston he also would be a nice secondary distributor. Ball movement in Charlotte with him, Ball, Rozier and Graham would be nice. Charlotte is really only lacking a big with Zeller as the starter. I thought they might go after Horford but this makes far more sense.

The Celtics and Hornets are among teams interested in Magic two-time All-Star Nikola Vucevic, sources said. Rival teams expect that any haul for Vucevic would have to be massive. The 7-foot big man is having his best NBA season, averaging 24.5 points, 11.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists while shooting 41.8 percent from 3-point range. Vucevic has spent nine of his 10 NBA seasons in Orlando.

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Vuc looks like the big prize this deadline. Orlando is going to ask for a big package so curious is Ainge is willing to pony up the cost. It's probably something like Robert Williams, 2 firsts and maybe someone like Romeo Langford.

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Can they combine players with a trade exception? Or is their exception big enough? I guess you can probably combine picks with an exception for sure. I thought it might take Kemba plus more...though with his salary MCW would have to go back the other way if the TPE wasn't used.

[bwgood77]

Vuc looks like the big prize this deadline. Orlando is going to ask for a big package so curious is Ainge is willing to pony up the cost. It's probably something like Robert Williams, 2 firsts and maybe someone like Romeo Langford.

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Would that be enough? He's got 2 more years left. Have to think other teams can offer more.

Maybe not. Just spitballing what a package might look like. I think some people will be surprised how big of a package they get for Vuc if they actually trade him. Underrated player.

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I posed it on the GB and people didn't seem to think Kemba was enough, or at least some people, and Rozier/Monk wasn't, but I suppose Charlotte could do Rozier/Graham.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This would be a HUGE pickup, especially for Charlotte...I mean Boston too given they are closer to contending, but it would be interesting to see in Charlotte. He could really spread the floor for Charlotte and their guards...in Boston he also would be a nice secondary distributor. Ball movement in Charlotte with him, Ball, Rozier and Graham would be nice. Charlotte is really only lacking a big with Zeller as the starter. I thought they might go after Horford but this makes far more sense.

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Vuc looks like the big prize this deadline. Orlando is going to ask for a big package so curious is Ainge is willing to pony up the cost. It's probably something like Robert Williams, 2 firsts and maybe someone like Romeo Langford.

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Can they combine players with a trade exception? Or is their exception big enough? I guess you can probably combine picks with an exception for sure. I thought it might take Kemba plus more...though with his salary MCW would have to go back the other way if the TPE wasn't used.

It's actually a complicated deal for Boston. Vucs salary fits in the TE but Boston can't actually use the whole exemption right now because they run up against the hard cap. They would need to shed like $7mil somehow then use the TE.

TEs can't be combined with players for salary matching reasons.

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Feel like Vucevic is in trade rumors every year but never gets moved. He’s a pretty good player too.

There’s a lot of pressure on Ainge finally. The guy’s supposed to be this super brilliant GM yet has like 1 ring in 20 yrs as GM. He was way too clingey with all those extra draft picks he had and besides Tatum/Brown, he ended up drafting bunch of guys in the 1st rd that aren’t difference makers (Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, Guerschon Yabusele etc). Missed opportunities to trade for star players because he wanted to try and rip off teams in every trade. Many Celtics fans have been wanting him fired for over 2 yrs now.

I think if doesn’t make any moves then we will actually see Ainge get fired or resign this summer.

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[bwgood77]

Feel like Vucevic is in trade rumors every year but never gets moved. He’s a pretty good player too.

There’s a lot of pressure on Ainge finally. The guy’s supposed to be this super brilliant GM yet has like 1 ring in 20 yrs as GM. He was way too clingey with all those extra draft picks he had and besides Tatum/Brown, he ended up drafting bunch of guys in the 1st rd that aren’t difference makers (Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, Guerschon Yabusele etc). Missed opportunities to trade for star players because he wanted to try and rip off teams in every trade. Many Celtics fans have been wanting him fired for over 2 yrs now.

I think if doesn’t make any moves then we will actually see Ainge get fired or resign this summer.

He has actually made them extremely competitive almost every year since taking over with some phenomenal trades -

The trades for KG and Ray Allen

The trades trading KG, Pierce and Williams for tons of picks/swaps with Brooklyn

This allowed him to have a great team while getting high picks.

Traded 1st pick for 3rd pick while picking up extra solid pick, only to take Tatum with pick...ending up as best pick in draft.

Trading IT for Kyrie.

FA - signing Horford, Hayward, Kemba.

This is all WAY more than any other GM does.

Now, you can also tell McD is cut from the same cloth...because....he makes dick moves too not caring about players:

Trading IT after a phenomenal season

Trading Hayward after he left Utah to sign there...only to trade him to the Hornets.

Maybe preparing to deal Kemba after he signed there for Vucevic.

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Bagley for Ayton works. Should we go for it?

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Bagley for Ayton works. Should we go for it?

Bagley for Smith works...should we go for it?

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Blake Griffin no bueno for Phoenix. Stay away from him.

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Bagley for Ayton works. Should we go for it?

Bagley for Smith works...should we go for it?

No I wouldn't trade smith for Bagley. I have no idea if Smith can play but I have a pretty good idea that Bagley can't.

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Bagley for Ayton works. Should we go for it?

Bagley for Smith works...should we go for it?

No I wouldn't trade smith for Bagley. I have no idea if Smith can play but I have a pretty good idea that Bagley can't.

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Definitely a joke lol. I think the Spurs should trade for him, Pop can make something out of him.

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No I wouldn't trade smith for Bagley. I have no idea if Smith can play but I have a pretty good idea that Bagley can't.

Bagley can play, the issue is that he only plays one side of the court. He's great on offense, he hits 50% of his FG's and 37% from 3, per36 he gives you 19 points and 10 rebounds a game. But he is a HUGE net-negative on defense, so the offense he provides doesnt make-up for how bad he is on D.

Who knows if that can be changed. Ayton was supposed to be horrible on defense and look what happened. Bagley's D was supposed to be on par with Aytons coming out of college.

With all that being said, i would trade Smith for Bagley in a heartbeat. While i was a Smith fan coming into the draft, it scares me that he is still stick thin and not bulking up. Even though he has been given so little minutes, the time he is on the court hasnt been real encouraging.

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People act like Bagley is Thomas Robinson tier and I'll never understand why.

[bwgood77]

No I wouldn't trade smith for Bagley. I have no idea if Smith can play but I have a pretty good idea that Bagley can't.

Bagley can play, the issue is that he only plays one side of the court. He's great on offense, he hits 50% of his FG's and 37% from 3, per36 he gives you 19 points and 10 rebounds a game. But he is a HUGE net-negative on defense, so the offense he provides doesnt make-up for how bad he is on D.

Who knows if that can be changed. Ayton was supposed to be horrible on defense and look what happened. Bagley's D was supposed to be on par with Aytons coming out of college.

With all that being said, i would trade Smith for Bagley in a heartbeat. While i was a Smith fan coming into the draft, it scares me that he is still stick thin and not bulking up. Even though he has been given so little minutes, the time he is on the court hasnt been real encouraging.

I wouldn't want Bagley. His defense is awful. I watched him at Duke and as bad as Ayton's was, Bagley's poor D was on a different level. Utter confusion at all times...Duke had to switch to zone just so he wouldn't have to move. Just look at his DRTG and DBPM on b-ref for a quick simple look.

Plus he will want a contract and thinks he's really good. I like Smith's potential and character. Shot blocking big who can stretch the floor. I'm sure he has a lot higher bbiq. I'm also sure he'd be playing some if we were not playing like a contender.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No I wouldn't trade smith for Bagley. I have no idea if Smith can play but I have a pretty good idea that Bagley can't.

Bagley can play, the issue is that he only plays one side of the court. He's great on offense, he hits 50% of his FG's and 37% from 3, per36 he gives you 19 points and 10 rebounds a game. But he is a HUGE net-negative on defense, so the offense he provides doesnt make-up for how bad he is on D.

Who knows if that can be changed. Ayton was supposed to be horrible on defense and look what happened. Bagley's D was supposed to be on par with Aytons coming out of college.

With all that being said, i would trade Smith for Bagley in a heartbeat. While i was a Smith fan coming into the draft, it scares me that he is still stick thin and not bulking up. Even though he has been given so little minutes, the time he is on the court hasnt been real encouraging.

I wouldn't want Bagley. His defense is awful. I watched him at Duke and as bad as Ayton's was, Bagley's poor D was on a different level. Utter confusion at all times...Duke had to switch to zone just so he wouldn't have to move. Just look at his DRTG and DBPM on b-ref for a quick simple look.

Plus he will want a contract and thinks he's really good. I like Smith's potential and character. Shot blocking big who can stretch the floor. I'm sure he has a lot higher bbiq. I'm also sure he'd be playing some if we were not playing like a contender.

Yeah the contract piece plays a big part. You have Smith on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more years, Bagley has one more year of a more expensive rookie contract then needs to be paid.

As everyone has said he's awful on D, major contributor to the Kings having one of the worst D's ever this season. Can he be fixed? Maybe I guess but the suns are trying to win games so it's not the right environment for that. If I were the Pistons sure maybe you take a swing.

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Bagley can play, the issue is that he only plays one side of the court. He's great on offense, he hits 50% of his FG's and 37% from 3, per36 he gives you 19 points and 10 rebounds a game. But he is a HUGE net-negative on defense, so the offense he provides doesnt make-up for how bad he is on D.

Who knows if that can be changed. Ayton was supposed to be horrible on defense and look what happened. Bagley's D was supposed to be on par with Aytons coming out of college.

With all that being said, i would trade Smith for Bagley in a heartbeat. While i was a Smith fan coming into the draft, it scares me that he is still stick thin and not bulking up. Even though he has been given so little minutes, the time he is on the court hasnt been real encouraging.

I wouldn't want Bagley. His defense is awful. I watched him at Duke and as bad as Ayton's was, Bagley's poor D was on a different level. Utter confusion at all times...Duke had to switch to zone just so he wouldn't have to move. Just look at his DRTG and DBPM on b-ref for a quick simple look.

Plus he will want a contract and thinks he's really good. I like Smith's potential and character. Shot blocking big who can stretch the floor. I'm sure he has a lot higher bbiq. I'm also sure he'd be playing some if we were not playing like a contender.

Yeah the contract piece plays a big part. You have Smith on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more years, Bagley has one more year of a more expensive rookie contract then needs to be paid.

As everyone has said he's awful on D, major contributor to the Kings having one of the worst D's ever this season. Can he be fixed? Maybe I guess but the suns are trying to win games so it's not the right environment for that. If I were the Pistons sure maybe you take a swing.

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This. If all things were equal, then I'd make the trade. But not now? No. I'll take a risk (on a cheaper deal) and say that Monty and JJ found another diamond like they found Cam and just took him early rather then risk someone else grabbing the guy.

[Wilber85]

Bagley is trash

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[Frank Lee]

Wow
Griffin ending up to be a $60,000,000 mistake. What GM has that one on their Rezzer? We dodged that bullet.

Will be interesting to see what castoff we embrace. Is Jones being coy till KLove takes a buyout?