2021 NBA Draft

treefi · Post #1481 » by **treefi** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 6:48 am

Is Scotty Pippen Jr a second round pick?

Is Julian Champagnie a late first round pick? What about Neemias Queta? Santi Aldama?

Questions I've been asking lately...

Post #1482 » by **jman3134** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 6:56 am

treefi wrote:Is Scotty Pippen Jr a second round pick?

Is Julian Champagnie a late first round pick? What about Neemias Queta? Santi Aldama?

Questions I've been asking lately...

Personal opinion: Justin > Julian and a first round pick. I think Julian is a likely second. Queta should be picked in the 2nd round imo. Aldama should be a 1st with some upside.

Pippen Jr. I haven't seen enough of, but those are my sentiments early on.

Post #1483 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 1:48 pm

jman3134 wrote:
treefi wrote:Is Scotty Pippen Jr a second round pick?

Is Julian Champagnie a late first round pick? What about Neemias Queta? Santi Aldama?

Questions I've been asking lately...

Personal opinion: Justin > Julian and a first round pick. I think Julian is a likely second. Queta should be picked in the 2nd round imo. Aldama should be a 1st with some upside.

Pippen Jr. I haven't seen enough of, but those are my sentiments early on.

I'm a Queta fan. It's a little difficult to guage him when he plays against weak competition, and it does look like he's a bit slow in jumping - and he chases blocks - he's going to go for every pump-fake in the NBA. I think ideally he gets a full season in the G League. He's making strides - getting to the foul line more the last several games and making a higher %. Has the makings of at least a foul line J and improved passing. A bit of a dinosaur but there's some talent there, imo.

Agreed on Justin > Julian.

Catchall · Post #1484 » by **Catchall** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 5:35 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
mirmil wrote:What is the best SF or PF that Nuggets could get through this draft if we value them to get a pick in range of 20-24th?

Greg Brown? Not sure in that range

Greg Brown looks like the obvious replacement for Jerami Grant if he's still on the board there.

Catchall · Post #1485 » by **Catchall** » Fri Mar 5, 2021 5:36 pm

Ruzious wrote:
jman3134 wrote:
treefi wrote:Is Scotty Pippen Jr a second round pick?

Is Julian Champagnie a late first round pick? What about Neemias Queta? Santi Aldama?

Questions I've been asking lately...

Personal opinion: Justin > Julian and a first round pick. I think Julian is a likely second. Queta should be picked in the 2nd round imo. Aldama should be a 1st with some upside.

Pippen Jr. I haven't seen enough of, but those are my sentiments early on.

I'm a Queta fan. It's a little difficult to guage him when he plays against weak competition, and it does look like he's a bit slow in jumping - and he chases blocks - he's going to go for every pump-fake in the NBA. I think ideally he gets a full season in the G League. He's making strides - getting to the foul line more the last several games and making a higher %. Has the makings of at least a foul line J and improved passing. A bit of a dinosaur but there's some talent there, imo.

He's close to an elite pick-and-roll defender. That's going to get him drafted.

mirmil · Post #1486 » by **mirmil** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 1:57 am

Catchall wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
mirmil wrote:What is the best SF or PF that Nuggets could get through this draft if we value them to get a pick in range of 20-24th?

Greg Brown? Not sure in that range

Greg Brown looks like the obvious replacement for Jerami Grant if he's still on the board there.

His game looks like Jerami Grant's for sure. Didn't watch him(or anyone else) much before I asked about best available SF-PF in that range. He could fit nicely along Jokic,Murray and MPJ but I am not sure he'll stay available that high.

clyde21 · Post #1487 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 7:51 pm

if Boston drops out of the top10 it's gonna be a major coup for ever grabs him

Post #1488 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 1:52 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Fischella wrote:If you are talking about Aldama, he is a worse shooter than Todd but he is just way better as a ball player

Todd has a lot of tools and I'd bet on him 1st round or close to it, but the dude is just jacking at all times and his defense is so bad

Nah, I haven't published on the player yet that I am thinking of (he won't be a 1st rounder). I already covered Aldama before. As far as the comparison, I just don't see them as similar players. Aldama is a worse shooter and athlete. He is a better player at this stage, but his performance in the NBA will be more dependent on team fit imo. Of course, he is still developing too and this is based on what I am seeing now. Todd I would feel more comfortable plugging into just about any offense and hoping he makes strides.

It is a hard comparison because I feel like European players tend to have better overall skillset developments early on, but they have to make the adjustment to speed/pace/differences in the game. Todd is not really a finished product in many of the areas Aldama stands out. Likewise, in the same vein, can Aldama develop his shot?

I like Todd's potential a lot more than Aldama's. Nothing Aldama does really stands out to me. I don't think his handles will translate to the NBA - he's a little too sloppy and doesn't have quick reactions. He's not a good enough athlete to make up for his lack of strength, but maybe in a couple of years, his strength will get there, but not even close right now. Honestly, I don't see him going 1st round. He should be a draft and stash pick.

Mirotic12 · Post #1489 » by **Mirotic12** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 1:56 pm

peZt wrote:Maybe Usman Garuba? He's like a mini Draymond without the elite ballhandling and playmaking skills. Ok maybe not so much like Draymond then but could be a great fit next to Jokic

How is he a "mini" Draymond? Garuba is clearly bigger than Draymond Green is. He's like 2-3 inches taller.

Catchall · Post #1490 » by **Catchall** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 7:07 am

So what happened to ASU this year -- Bagley and Christopher just sat out?

peZt · Post #1491 » by **peZt** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 7:41 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
peZt wrote:Maybe Usman Garuba? He's like a mini Draymond without the elite ballhandling and playmaking skills. Ok maybe not so much like Draymond then but could be a great fit next to Jokic

How is he a "mini" Draymond? Garuba is clearly bigger than Draymond Green is. He's like 2-3 inches taller.

I meant mini as in young not short. Should've made that clear

Stillwater · Post #1492 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 7:18 pm

peZt wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
peZt wrote:Maybe Usman Garuba? He's like a mini Draymond without the elite ballhandling and playmaking skills. Ok maybe not so much like Draymond then but could be a great fit next to Jokic

How is he a "mini" Draymond? Garuba is clearly bigger than Draymond Green is. He's like 2-3 inches taller.

I meant mini as in young not short. Should've made that clear

hmm careful not to step in the bullsht their buddy lol

3toheadmelo · Post #1493 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:45 am

One of my favorites in this draft...

Watch on YouTube

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treefi · Post #1494 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:09 am

Why isn't this player considered a late first round pick?

He's a 6'9", 235 pound five-star recruit ranked No. 10 overall in the 2019 high school class who is averaging 18.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 1.5apg as a sophomore this year while shooting 55.5% FG, 43.5% from 3(2.3/5.4 per game), and 71.8% FT.

Post #1495 » by **jman3134** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:36 am

treefi wrote:Why isn't this player considered a late first round pick?

He's a 6'9", 235 pound five-star recruit ranked No. 10 overall in the 2019 high school class who is averaging 18.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 1.5apg as a sophomore this year while shooting 55.5% FG, 43.5% from 3(2.3/5.4 per game), and 71.8% FT.

Hurt? Defensive concerns make him probably a late 1st. What you have to realize is that the draft sites have not done any work on players yet - which is to say none of their NBA buddies told them he is a 1st. But Hurt is a 1st round offensive talent.

Magically after the tournament, 15 players randomly get reevaluated. Hurt is one of them.

treefi · Post #1496 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:42 am

Yup it's Hurt.

Stillwater · Post #1497 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:44 am

jman3134 wrote:
treefi wrote:Why isn't this player considered a late first round pick?

He's a 6'9", 235 pound five-star recruit ranked No. 10 overall in the 2019 high school class who is averaging 18.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 1.5apg as a sophomore this year while shooting 55.5% FG, 43.5% from 3(2.3/5.4 per game), and 71.8% FT.

Hurt? Defensive concerns make him probably a late 1st. What you have to realize is that the draft sites have not done any work on players yet - which is to say none of their NBA buddies told them he is a 1st. But Hurt is a 1st round offensive talent.

Magically after the tournament, 15 players randomly get reevaluated. Hurt is one of them.

hurt is legit and will get the Hero treatment in the pre draft process and maybe even drop because of it,
but he will make teams regret passing on him.
That being said he tends to disappear some times and his team sucks this season with poor guard play
so his stock could be hurt by not being in the big dance assuming they dont get in

clyde21 · Post #1498 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:04 am

treefi wrote:Why isn't this player considered a late first round pick?

He's a 6'9", 235 pound five-star recruit ranked No. 10 overall in the 2019 high school class who is averaging 18.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 1.5apg as a sophomore this year while shooting 55.5% FG, 43.5% from 3(2.3/5.4 per game), and 71.8% FT.

who says he isn't? i have him in that range.

Post #1499 » by **jman3134** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:22 am

Yeah it is just another one of us noticing how ridiculous the traditional draft outlets' rankings are. Completely lack common sense.

For instance, if you move Kispert up to #6, how is Wieskamp like 70? Both are elite shooters with good size shooting with near record efficiency. At least be consistent.

Or now BJ Boston gets moved to round 2? He has been terrible all year long. The ranking was always based on his high school pedigree separating him from that system.

And let's not get Evan Z started on the Champagnies and how they are ranked haha.

clyde21 · Post #1500 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:24 am

Boston should be top10 on everyone's board