Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[prime1time]

...The Wizards could still trade 3 first-round picks, 3 first-round pick swaps, Advija, Rui, Brown Jr, Bonga, Thomas Bryant and anything else on our roster for a star....

Truly, I don't understand how you can write stuff like this. First of all, no -- that's not possible. Add a star's contract while giving away 3 R1 picks & 5 players, & you can't even field a team. It would be literally impossible. You leave us with Beal, Westbrook, Bertans & a "star" to start next year.

Let's assume that the "star" has a true bargain salary for such a player: $22m. Ok, that's 4 players at $116m. We have no developing young players. I assume we'd pick up Gill's option.

So, now we have @$17m to fill 10 open roster spots. Feel free to provide a way to do that. While you're at it, why don't you give a name to that "star." Leave aside whether he's available in a trade. Just tell me who the guy is.

But, more unrealistically yet, you are also imagining you'll also deal Westbrook & Bertans for... essentially nothings -- i.e. "expirings."

... When you're willing to trade whatever it takes, you can make cap space. 3 way trade to Bertans goes to a team for a FRP, Westbrook and FRP goes to a rebuilding team, and we get back expiring. There are so many ways to move Westbrook once you accept that he's a negative asset.

1. I'd be happy to trade Bertans for a R1 pick. Only... we didn't do that when we could, & now he's underperforming a 5-year $80m contract which comes along with him. So, sorry, no one is giving a R1 pick for him.

2. At the end of all your deals, you have reduced the Wizards to Bradley Beal & one unnamed "star." We have, basically, no draft picks & we have no young players.

3. Didn't you say you wanted to avoid "rebuilding?"

Why would this "star" want to be here? Why would Brad want to be here?

1. You don’t know what Bertans could get on the open market. Teams were willing to trade a first for him last year with no guarantee that he will resign.

2. Yes, that’s precisely the point. Beal a second star and then you fill out the roster with free agents. It’s been done before and it has worked.

3. It’s not rebuilding, it’s building around Beal. What did the Heat do in the offseason when they signed Bosh and LBJ? They same exact thing I’m proposing.

At the end of the day, I’ve made my point clear. Any plan and any approach is going to be struggling. If you don’t like my plan, that’s fine. Show me your plan.

*Also, I already said I’m willing to package together Westbrook for an asset and willing to trade away Bertans so where are you getting these cap numbers from? In addition, anything I do is contingent on Beal going along with it, if at any time he says he wants out we trade him and start the rebuild.

Obviously, I don’t know the specifics of what these deals could bring in. What could Bertans bring in on the trade market. Maybe a future first. How much would we have to give up to get trade Westbrook who knows? How much would we have to trade to get a star who knows? I said I’m willing to do whatever it takes.

So basically all your post does is take the worse case scenario. We would definitely still have players on the roster. And if we make a trade that nearly empties our roster we’d be bringing in a truly elite player that demands to play with Beal like Jokic or Embiid. So if the question is, am I willing to have Jokic/Embiid with Beal. And a barebone roster the answer is 100% yes.

But like I said earlier, show me your plan.

[likwitdesi]

LaMarcus Aldridge shouldn't cost much given his contract is expiring and he is sitting on the bench. His best days are obviously behind him but he'd be a solid get to try to make a deeper playoff run. Bryant, Brown, Ish, and Robinson for LMA and Tre Jones works in the checker

He wouldn't be a solid get. He sucks now. That's why he is sitting on the bench. He averages just 6.4 rebounds 2.4 FTA's per 36. His TS% is just 54%. He was never that good of a defender, and now he's 35 and can't stay in front of anyone.

The Spurs would rather play 6-6 Demarr DeRozan at PF than play Aldridge.

Not to mention that this trade pushes us into tax territory, plus it leaves us with 2 roster spots to fill (further into tax territory).

Then there's the fact that simply throwing away Bryant & Brown for the last 35 games of LMA's career....? I don't think so, no.

Didn't realize that LMA's hip had deteriorated to such a point that he's lost his second bounce and mobility on defense. Either way, Bryant and Brown should both be shopped. Bryant is an empty calories player and it is not a coincidence that the team plays better with better defensive options at center. He should be moved to create room under the tax as I'd rather pay someone with the full MLE next season. Brown has no future on this team with 1 more year left on his deal.

[likwitdesi]

...The Wizards could still trade 3 first-round picks, 3 first-round pick swaps, Advija, Rui, Brown Jr, Bonga, Thomas Bryant and anything else on our roster for a star....

Truly, I don't understand how you can write stuff like this. First of all, no -- that's not possible. Add a star's contract while giving away 3 R1 picks & 5 players, & you can't even field a team. It would be literally impossible. You leave us with Beal, Westbrook, Bertans & a "star" to start next year.

Let's assume that the "star" has a true bargain salary for such a player: $22m. Ok, that's 4 players at $116m. We have no developing young players. I assume we'd pick up Gill's option.

So, now we have @$17m to fill 10 open roster spots. Feel free to provide a way to do that. While you're at it, why don't you give a name to that "star." Leave aside whether he's available in a trade. Just tell me who the guy is.

But, more unrealistically yet, you are also imagining you'll also deal Westbrook & Bertans for... essentially nothings -- i.e. "expirings."

... When you're willing to trade whatever it takes, you can make cap space. 3 way trade to Bertans goes to a team for a FRP, Westbrook and FRP goes to a rebuilding team, and we get back expiring. There are so many ways to move Westbrook once you accept that he's a negative asset.

1. I'd be happy to trade Bertans for a R1 pick. Only... we didn't do that when we could, & now he's underperforming a 5-year $80m contract which comes along with him. So, sorry, no one is giving a R1 pick for him.

2. At the end of all your deals, you have reduced the Wizards to Bradley Beal & one unnamed "star." We have, basically, no draft picks & we have no young players.

3. Didn't you say you wanted to avoid "rebuilding?"

Why would this "star" want to be here? Why would Brad want to be here?

1. You don’t know what Bertans could get on the open market. Teams were willing to trade a first for him last year with no guarantee that he will resign.

2. Yes, that’s precisely the point. Beal a second star and then you fill out the roster with free agents. It’s been done before and it has worked.

3. It’s not rebuilding, it’s building around Beal. What did the Heat do in the offseason when they signed Bosh and LBJ? They same exact thing I’m proposing.

At the end of the day, I’ve made my point clear. Any plan and any approach is going to be struggling. If you don’t like my plan, that’s fine. Show me your plan.

*Also, I already said I’m willing to package together Westbrook for an asset and willing to trade away Bertans so where are you getting these cap numbers from? In addition, anything I do is contingent on Beal going along with it, if at any time he says he wants out we trade him and start the rebuild.

Obviously, I don’t know the specifics of what these deals could bring in. What could Bertans bring in on the trade market. Maybe a future first. How much would we have to give up to get trade Westbrook who knows? How much would we have to trade to get a star who knows? I said I’m willing to do whatever it takes.

So basically all your post does is take the worse case scenario. We would definitely still have players on the roster. And if we make a trade that nearly empties our roster we’d be bringing in a truly elite player that demands to play with Beal like Jokic or Embiid. So if the question is, am I willing to have Jokic/Embiid with Beal. And a barebone roster the answer is 100% yes.

But like I said earlier, show me your plan.

If it meant Beal coming back, I too would make a major move for a big as long as Ted is willing to go over the tax to make a run. If you end up with 3 top 25 players, you'll be able to bring in a bunch of vets on the MLE, LLE and veteran minimum

[nate33]

He wouldn't be a solid get. He sucks now. That's why he is sitting on the bench. He averages just 6.4 rebounds 2.4 FTA's per 36. His TS% is just 54%. He was never that good of a defender, and now he's 35 and can't stay in front of anyone.

The Spurs would rather play 6-6 Demarr DeRozan at PF than play Aldridge.

Not to mention that this trade pushes us into tax territory, plus it leaves us with 2 roster spots to fill (further into tax territory).

Then there's the fact that simply throwing away Bryant & Brown for the last 35 games of LMA's career....? I don't think so, no.

Didn't realize that LMA's hip had deteriorated to such a point that he's lost his second bounce and mobility on defense. Either way, Bryant and Brown should both be shopped. Bryant is an empty calories player and it is not a coincidence that the team plays better with better defensive options at center. He should be moved to create room under the tax as I'd rather pay someone with the full MLE next season. Brown has no future on this team with 1 more year left on his deal.

I'm open to shopping Bryant, particularly if we keep Wagner and we can find a way to land a legitimate, starting-caliber, defensive-minded center. But I figure selling him now while he is out with an ACL injury is selling low. Heck, we might have to include incentive to offload him. We're going to have to wait until next year, or the summer at the very earliest.

I don't think Troy Brown has any value either, not with the way Brooks has given up on him. If you can't get minutes on a 14-20 team, nobody else wants you either. I think the best option there is to wait for the inevitable injury at guard or wing, at which point Brown should get another shot at regular minutes. Maybe he can rebuild his trade value and/or prove that he has a role on this team.

It's a good idea to avoid the temptation to trade away the guys who aren't very useful at the moment because that's when they have no value. Now is the time to trade guys like Neto or Bertans because they're playing well and teams might want them.

[dckingsfan]

I wouldn't mind a straight trade of Bjelica for Ish. It would give us a stretch 4 for a few minutes a game and moving Ish would keep Brooks from playing those god awful 3 PG lineups.

It is just for this season... so it isn't something earth shattering.

[WallToWall]

I really think we under value the players we have. With the exception of Beal, the prevailing thought here on this board is that we need to attach some draft pick, or have to effectively give away all our other players if we are to make a trade.

Wanna trade Bertans... well, you maybe get a send round draft pick.
Wanna trade Ish... well, attach a draft pick.
Wanna trade Bryant... well, who wants an injured player, and sell low because he cant play D.
Walla trade Hach... you get a gift card from Target
Wanna trade Avdija... McDonalds happy meal
Wanna trade Westbrook... you cant.
..on and on....
We also seem to over value players on other teams...

Common guys! We have tradable players worth much more than what the prevailing thought on this board suggests.

[gambitx777]

I think Bertans is tradable. Maybe not for a young underperforming asset and a couple of seconds. I think boston is a good fit for him. Atlanta too.

Ish you don't need to attach much too or anything too. He's a useful back up,yes hurt. On a one year deal, he clearly doesn't fit with this team but you can easily move him to a team for another 1 year deal no one's playing or a longer deal someone's looking to get rid of.

Robin lopez has value but we need him.

Bryant while hurt is 23 on a really good deal and a good player. You can get something for him. You will be selling low but something can be had. I think maybe a team like atlanta or sav would be interested.

Rui and deni should be kept, knock that shot off trying to move them. They are decent young pieces. Hold on to them.

I really think we under value the players we have. With the exception of Beal, the prevailing thought here on this board is that we need to attach some draft pick, or have to effectively give away all our other players if we are to make a trade.

Wanna trade Bertans... well, you maybe get a send round draft pick.
Wanna trade Ish... well, attach a draft pick.
Wanna trade Bryant... well, who wants an injured player, and sell low because he cant play D.
Walla trade Hach... you get a gift card from Target
Wanna trade Avdija... McDonalds happy meal
Wanna trade Westbrook... you cant.
..on and on....
We also seem to over value players on other teams...

Common guys! We have tradable players worth much more than what the prevailing thought on this board suggests.

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[likwitdesi]

I wouldn't mind a straight trade of Bjelica for Ish. It would give us a stretch 4 for a few minutes a game and moving Ish would keep Brooks from playing those god awful 3 PG lineups.

It is just for this season... so it isn't something earth shattering.

If we trade Ish for someone at another position, I'd love to bring Napier back. Thought he gave us quality minutes last season and it's odd that no one has signed him

[nate33]

I wouldn't mind a straight trade of Bjelica for Ish. It would give us a stretch 4 for a few minutes a game and moving Ish would keep Brooks from playing those god awful 3 PG lineups.

It is just for this season... so it isn't something earth shattering.

Nobody is going to want Ish given the way he has played this year.

The guy that has value is Neto, particularly since he has such a low cap number and most competitive teams are facing the hard cap. We might be able to get a decent 2nd round pick for him.

[dckingsfan]

I wouldn't mind a straight trade of Bjelica for Ish. It would give us a stretch 4 for a few minutes a game and moving Ish would keep Brooks from playing those god awful 3 PG lineups.

It is just for this season... so it isn't something earth shattering.

Nobody is going to want Ish given the way he has played this year.

The guy that has value is Neto, particularly since he has such a low cap number and most competitive teams are facing the hard cap. We might be able to get a decent 2nd round pick for him.

The reason I bring it up is because Bjelica doesn't have much trade value either. Sacramento is trying to move him. They seem to be trying to move Joseph as well. So, it could be that this is possible depending on the moves that Sacramento makes.

Fox, Haliburton, Hield, Barnes and Bagley. And I think they would move Bagley or Hield for the right offer too.

But you are right, if they could get a second for either Bjelica or Joseph they would take it.

As for Neto, really wish we had signed him long-term...

[dckingsfan]

I wouldn't mind a straight trade of Bjelica for Ish. It would give us a stretch 4 for a few minutes a game and moving Ish would keep Brooks from playing those god awful 3 PG lineups.

It is just for this season... so it isn't something earth shattering.

If we trade Ish for someone at another position, I'd love to bring Napier back. Thought he gave us quality minutes last season and it's odd that no one has signed him

yeah, my hope is we don't bring back another PG and save Brooks from himself...

[payitforward]

...The Wizards could still trade 3 first-round picks, 3 first-round pick swaps, Advija, Rui, Brown Jr, Bonga, Thomas Bryant and anything else on our roster for a star....

Truly, I don't understand how you can write stuff like this. First of all, no -- that's not possible. Add a star's contract while giving away 3 R1 picks & 5 players, & you can't even field a team. It would be literally impossible. You leave us with Beal, Westbrook, Bertans & a "star" to start next year.

Let's assume that the "star" has a true bargain salary for such a player: $22m. Ok, that's 4 players at $116m. We have no developing young players. I assume we'd pick up Gill's option.

So, now we have @$17m to fill 10 open roster spots. Feel free to provide a way to do that. While you're at it, why don't you give a name to that "star." Leave aside whether he's available in a trade. Just tell me who the guy is.

But, more unrealistically yet, you are also imagining you'll also deal Westbrook & Bertans for... essentially nothings -- i.e. "expirings."

... When you're willing to trade whatever it takes, you can make cap space. 3 way trade to Bertans goes to a team for a FRP, Westbrook and FRP goes to a rebuilding team, and we get back expiring. There are so many ways to move Westbrook once you accept that he's a negative asset.

1. I'd be happy to trade Bertans for a R1 pick. Only... we didn't do that when we could, & now he's underperforming a 5-year $80m contract which comes along with him. So, sorry, no one is giving a R1 pick for him.

2. At the end of all your deals, you have reduced the Wizards to Bradley Beal & one unnamed "star." We have, basically, no draft picks & we have no young players.

3. Didn't you say you wanted to avoid "rebuilding?"

Why would this "star" want to be here? Why would Brad want to be here?

1. You don’t know what Bertans could get on the open market. Teams were willing to trade a first for him last year with no guarantee that he will resign.

2. Yes, that’s precisely the point. Beal a second star and then you fill out the roster with free agents. It’s been done before and it has worked.

3. It’s not rebuilding, it’s building around Beal. What did the Heat do in the offseason when they signed Bosh and LBJ? They same exact thing I’m proposing.

At the end of the day, I’ve made my point clear. Any plan and any approach is going to be struggling. If you don’t like my plan, that’s fine. Show me your plan.

*Also, I already said I’m willing to package together Westbrook for an asset and willing to trade away Bertans so where are you getting these cap numbers from? In addition, anything I do is contingent on Beal going along with it, if at any time he says he wants out we trade him and start the rebuild.

Obviously, I don’t know the specifics of what these deals could bring in. What could Bertans bring in on the trade market. Maybe a future first. How much would we have to give up to get trade Westbrook who knows? How much would we have to trade to get a star who knows? I said I’m willing to do whatever it takes.

So basically all your post does is take the worse case scenario. We would definitely still have players on the roster. And if we make a trade that nearly empties our roster we’d be bringing in a truly elite player that demands to play with Beal like Jokic or Embiid. So if the question is, am I willing to have Jokic/Embiid with Beal. And a barebone roster the answer is 100% yes.

But like I said earlier, show me your plan.

First off, I'm not fighting with you -- there's no reason for that. Or for either of us to get heated. I'll go through your list:

1. As far as we know, one team (Boston) not "teams" offered a R1 pick for Bertans, who was having his best year ever & cost $7.5m; presumably that was to help their attempt to go for it all right then. & that team had 3 R1 picks!

This year, Bertans is $16m w/ another $64m guaranteed & is significantly, hugely, underperforming that deal. This year, that team isn't contending. & this year that team doesn't have 3 R1 picks! So, be reasonable.... Don't claim something with such low likelihood just b/c you want to be "right."

2. Sure, add another star to the roster & we are way better! Do we contend for a title? I don't think so, but still... obviously the guy makes us much better. But, "I'm willing to do whatever it takes" can't really mean anything. As to trading Westbrook & a R1 pick for... whatever, I challenge you to find a deal that any team would be willing to make, would satisfy you, & works in the trade checker.

3. What does the Heat/James/Bosh have to do with anything? Those guys decided to get together in Miami. They also took a little less money to do it. Plus, upon arrival, they made the Heat the overwhelming favorite to win the title -- actually, there was little doubt of it.

You're talking about getting 1 guy not 2. & you are not talking about prime LeBron James. There is not a single player in this league -- a player who is actually available -- who would pair with Beal & a roster you "fill out" & create a title contender. Not one. Feel free to name one. Until you do, you don't have a "plan."

I'd be delighted to have Jokic or Embiid plus Beal & a barebones roster, btw. Only you can't deliver that. Period. Why would Philly trade you Embiid? Why would Denver trade you Jokic? What do you have to give one of these teams that they'd want?

[gambitx777]

Mo for a second or two, maybe the okc first that protected and gonna turn in to two future seconds anyway and fernando from atlanta?
Mo has been good but he might legit scam someone into paying him more than mid level money next year. Which imo anything over 5 is to much for him.

Fernando was a decent rebounder, defender and shot blocker in college I'm not sure why he's had such a drop off but he's on for another year next year so maybe we could get him back to form. Much cheaper than mo will be and we can get something for the second round pick/s

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[gambitx777]

small deal to make.
Jabari parker and jahmi'us ramsey from the king's and a future second round pick.
For
Ish Smith and troy brown jr and bonga.

I really like ramsey and Parker is just filler.
They trade in Parker who hasn't played and doesn't really play D with a younger much cheaper bonga and get to look at brown. And ish is a move useful and less expencive back up than what they have allowing them to trade Joseph if possible. Also gets use further under the tax! So we can get in on some drummand buy out action .







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[Dark Faze]

Win "now" trade attempt:

Wiz out: Rui, TBJ, Bryant
Wiz in: Jerami Grant

Wiz out: Lopez, Robinson, Bertans, 2021 first.
Wiz in: Vucevic

An all in move to keep Beal happy and to do the teams absolute best to make sure that 2021 first is outside of the lottery in order to justify its movement.

Russ/Neto
Beal/Matthews
Deni/Bonga
Grant/Wagner
Vucevic/Len

One thing I like about it is if the **** hits the fan and Beal wants out, it's likely we can acquire decent assets to move Grant and Vucevic later. Team isn't a world beater, but should be able to climb up to .500 by the end of the year. I might try to get Josh Jackson as well.

Obviously, Tommy and Ted have said they wouldn't trade these sorts of assets, but I think they would for the right players. This isn't a championship move, but it could *possibly* get an extension out of Beal and result in some competitive playoff games.

[Ruzious]

small deal to make.
Jabari parker and jahmi'us ramsey from the king's and a future second round pick.
For
Ish Smith and troy brown jr and bonga.

I really like ramsey and Parker is just filler.
They trade in Parker who hasn't played and doesn't really play D with a younger much cheaper bonga and get to look at brown. And ish is a move useful and less expencive back up than what they have allowing them to trade Joseph if possible. Also gets use further under the tax! So we can get in on some drummand buy out action .

What about Ramsey do you like? He didn't do very well in the G League.

[nate33]

Just a passing thought after seeing some of these recent proposals:

A big problem with trading our 2021 1st is that it is impractical to put any protections on it because we have already traded away our 2023 1st (which is actually encumbered until 2025). Let's say we want to put top 4 protection on the pick. If we luck out in the lottery and end up in the top 4, the team who received our pick will have to wait until 2027 to get that pick.

[gambitx777]

he shot really well from 3 in college. Showed good athletic ability, has a good frame. He's 19.

small deal to make.
Jabari parker and jahmi'us ramsey from the king's and a future second round pick.
For
Ish Smith and troy brown jr and bonga.

I really like ramsey and Parker is just filler.
They trade in Parker who hasn't played and doesn't really play D with a younger much cheaper bonga and get to look at brown. And ish is a move useful and less expencive back up than what they have allowing them to trade Joseph if possible. Also gets use further under the tax! So we can get in on some drummand buy out action .

What about Ramsey do you like? He didn't do very well in the G League.

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[Dark Faze]

Just a passing thought after seeing some of these recent proposals:

A big problem with trading our 2021 1st is that it is impractical to put any protections on it because we have already traded away our 2023 1st (which is actually encumbered until 2025). Let's say we want to put top 4 protection on the pick. If we luck out in the lottery and end up in the top 4, the team who received our pick will have to wait until 2027 to get that pick.

Yea we can't protect the pick. So Tommy wouldn't make the move in isolation without being sure the team would have a great chance of making the playoffs.

Heard some rumors about the Heat looking into Dipo and Wall. Might be BS, might not, but the Heat could probably acquire Wall without giving up a first for Iggy, Olynyk, Leonard, Bradley, all short term deals. If it were to happen, the Rox will have turned Wall into cap space and a first in short order lol.

[queridiculo]

Just a passing thought after seeing some of these recent proposals:

A big problem with trading our 2021 1st is that it is impractical to put any protections on it because we have already traded away our 2023 1st (which is actually encumbered until 2025). Let's say we want to put top 4 protection on the pick. If we luck out in the lottery and end up in the top 4, the team who received our pick will have to wait until 2027 to get that pick.

Yea we can't protect the pick. So Tommy wouldn't make the move in isolation without being sure the team would have a great chance of making the playoffs.

Heard some rumors about the Heat looking into Dipo and Wall. Might be BS, might not, but the Heat could probably acquire Wall without giving up a first for Iggy, Olynyk, Leonard, Bradley, all short term deals. If it were to happen, the Rox will have turned Wall into cap space and a first in short order lol.

Sounds good on paper, but my retort would be, how useful would all this salary cap space be to the Wizards, whom would you choose to overpay in a market where a ton of teams are flush with cap space anyway?

John Collins
Andre Drummon
DeMar DeRozan
Kyle Lowry
Aldridge
Lonzo Ball
Schröder
Harrell
Oubre
Jarrett Allen
Norman Powell

Quite frankly I'd just rather have Russell Westbrook over your scenario.