Trade deadline, buyouts, and waivers

Waynearchetype · Post #21 » by **Waynearchetype** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:57 am

My trade target tier list for the Blazers that are likely available-
Marvin Bagley - Mentioned above, likely headcase but I trust Dame to keep him in line. Young enough to have value beyond this season.
Aaron Gordon - Robert Covingtons flexibility make this a small upgrade over Derrick Jones Jr in the starting lineup.
Harrison Barnes - Similar to the above, Barnes is the better player but I think Gordon would be the better fit.

Really don't want to trade 2023 FRP, so hopefully a combo of Derrick Jones Jr + Gary Trent Jr gets it done.

Village Idiot · Post #22 » by **Village Idiot** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 9:51 am

Waynearchetype wrote:My trade target tier list for the Blazers that are likely available-
Marvin Bagley - Mentioned above, likely headcase but I trust Dame to keep him in line. Young enough to have value beyond this season.
Aaron Gordon - Robert Covingtons flexibility make this a small upgrade over Derrick Jones Jr in the starting lineup.
Harrison Barnes - Similar to the above, Barnes is the better player but I think Gordon would be the better fit.

Really don't want to trade 2023 FRP, so hopefully a combo of Derrick Jones Jr + Gary Trent Jr gets it done.

Gordon remains my primary target. His ball-handling abilities as a PF would be a god-send in that he could bring the ball up if opponents employ a trap on Dame. He's also a great high-post distributor and can take guys off the dribble and switch onto anybody.

I'd like to keep Trent Jr. though and with Gordon as the secondary ball-handler CJ becomes more expendable.

something like:

Portland trades:

CJ McCollum

Portland receives:

Aaron Gordon
Derrick Rose
2021 1st from Dallas unprotected
2021 1st from New York - top 3 protected

New York trades:

Obi Toppin
Kevin Knox
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
2021 1st from Dallas unprotected to Portland
2021 1st to Portland - top 10 protected

New York receives:

CJ McCollum

Orlando trades:

Aaron Gordon

Orlando receives:

Obi Toppin
Kevin Knox
Alec Burks

BlazersBroncos · Post #23 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:13 pm

Thibs isnt moving Rose. They are BFF's.

GTJ in a trade that nets AG is the best option if we are not planning on paying GTJ. I do worry about having 3-4 meh 3PT shooters at forward (AG/RC/DJJ + Arguably Hood so far this year)

Waynearchetype · Post #24 » by **Waynearchetype** » Sat Mar 6, 2021 6:13 pm

I really don't see the Blazers trading McCollum unless it bring a superstar back. Dame will say no, and they will 100% ask Dame before even sniffing at a deal.

monopoman · Post #25 » by **monopoman** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 4:44 am

I have no idea why people are so fascinated with Aaron Gordon, I think CJ even with his less than ideal fit is a better player for the Blazers by a good margin.

I am also not interested in moving CJ for long term pieces, I want a win-now player for him period. I want to assemble the most competitive team we can in the next 3-4 years move all-in on Lillard's prime and try to win the whole damn thing.

Post #26 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 3:57 pm

Yeah, I'm not on the Gordon bandwagon either. Injury wise, he may fit perfectly on Portland, but not for CJ. I do like the idea of a starting PF who can defend and distribute so Gordon fits that mold, but I am leery of his injuries and shooting. Even his free throw shooting percentage sucks. Now if the Blazers could get Vucevic, I would be all for that!!!

d-train · Post #27 » by **d-train** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 4:24 pm

monopoman wrote:I have no idea why people are so fascinated with Aaron Gordon, I think CJ even with his less than ideal fit is a better player for the Blazers by a good margin.

I am also not interested in moving CJ for long term pieces, I want a win-now player for him period. I want to assemble the most competitive team we can in the next 3-4 years move all-in on Lillard's prime and try to win the whole damn thing.

I think this team has only 2 more years and that's optimistic. Unless, we get lucky like Spurs when they got Kawhi. Spurs were done and Kawhi extended their run.

JRoy · Post #28 » by **JRoy** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 4:35 pm

monopoman wrote:I have no idea why people are so fascinated with Aaron Gordon, I think CJ even with his less than ideal fit is a better player for the Blazers by a good margin.

I am also not interested in moving CJ for long term pieces, I want a win-now player for him period. I want to assemble the most competitive team we can in the next 3-4 years move all-in on Lillard's prime and try to win the whole damn thing.

AG is not the solution to any teams problems.

Waynearchetype · Post #29 » by **Waynearchetype** » Sun Mar 7, 2021 10:00 pm

I think people like Gordon because there is the presumption that he won't cost much to attain. Trading CJ for him is uh, not good.

JasonStern · Post #30 » by **JasonStern** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:36 am

Bagley is a young former #2 pick. Even if Sacramento wants to sell low, you are looking at Trent + 1st, not just some lotto protected pick years from now.

Portland's only chance of contending is a 2004 Detroit style combination of really good but not great players. Totally fine trading for Oladipo or Gordon on the cheap, then praying for health and trusting in Dame.

monopoman · Post #31 » by **monopoman** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:29 am

JasonStern wrote:Bagley is a young former #2 pick. Even if Sacramento wants to sell low, you are looking at Trent + 1st, not just some lotto protected pick years from now.

Portland's only chance of contending is a 2004 Detroit style combination of really good but not great players. Totally fine trading for Oladipo or Gordon on the cheap, then praying for health and trusting in Dame.

I don't think that Detroit style will work unless we completely change coaches and philosophy. That Detroit team was a defensive stalwart that could take even the best players in the NBA out of their game, meanwhile this Blazer team is one of the worst defensively in the NBA.

**** if we had the Defense of that Detroit team while retaining the offensive ability of this team I think we would be title favorites.

Post #32 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 5:59 pm

Is Bagley worth taking a flyer on and if so, what would it take to get him?

Waynearchetype · Post #33 » by **Waynearchetype** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 6:13 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Is Bagley worth taking a flyer on and if so, what would it take to get him?

Guessing future first or GTJ. At this point, I wouldn't mind it being GTJ with CJ coming back. Stock unlikely to be higher when his volume goes down.

Norm2953 · Post #34 » by **Norm2953** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 7:29 pm

I generally am in favor of trading for another big for nobody knows if Nurkic and Collins who have
missed so much time these past two seasons, will be able to stay on the court. Trading for an AG
doesn't do much for me for he's just a better Aminu in Portland's system.

We'll likely see a trade deadline deal, most likely a deal involving Hood. It will be interesting to see
if Simons' trade value has gone up after winning the dunk title for in a more open court, above the
basket system, his game might really improve.

BlazersBroncos · Post #35 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 8:56 pm

I am shocked so many are interested in Bagley. He is putrid on defense and relies on usage for offense (Albeit his 3PT shot is improved). He needs touches to impact the game in a positive way, but he isnt worth the touches he needs to be effective.

Post #36 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 9:12 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:Is Bagley worth taking a flyer on and if so, what would it take to get him?

Guessing future first or GTJ. At this point, I wouldn't mind it being GTJ with CJ coming back. Stock unlikely to be higher when his volume goes down.

Hmm, I'm thinking we should be keeping Trent Jr. If Sac-town is looking to move Bagley, is Trent Jr. an overpay? Did Simons increase his stock any after attempting to kiss the rim yesterday? What about something like Hood, Simons (or Little) and max cash for Bagley & Whiteside? I'm guessing the Blazers would need to include a lotto protected future pick?

Lillard /
McCollum / Trent Jr. / Elleby
Covington / Jones Jr. / Little
Bagley / Melo / Collins
Nurkic / Kanter / Whiteside

That gives the Blazers some nice size to go up against the Lakers.

BlazersBroncos · Post #37 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 10:03 pm

Again, do people not realize how bad Bagley is?

Over the past 2 years his WS48 have been at about .050. In that time he has also averaged a OBPM of -1.5 and a DBPM of -2.1.

Advanced stats are not the end-all-be-all, but its a pretty accurate generalization that a good rotation guy has a WS48 near .100. Its an even better assumption to say that a guy who has negative O and D BPM's is just a pure net negative on the floor. And posting such poor metrice while getting about a 25% usage rate is just horrendous. (FYI, his usage would put him #3 on our team after the guard duo)

He is poop.

d-train · Post #38 » by **d-train** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 10:32 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Is Bagley worth taking a flyer on and if so, what would it take to get him?

He is in the unproven/tried-and-failed category. He has an abundance of talent and size. We have Hood to trade. I don't know if Bagley is worth DJJ, but DJJ's contract status has to be considered. We have unproven talent like Simons, Little, and CJE. I gave up trying to compare unproven basketball talent. The people that get paid to do it have way more information than I. The people that aren't paid are full of BS. Even the people who are paid have a hit and miss record.

I know you want to trade Collins. I wouldn't trade Collins for Bagley if Collins could return to health. If Collins is damaged goods, he's worthless. So, it's pointless to discuss trading him.

I wouldn't trade Trent. I would rather pay to keep him. I believe since Trent is an expiring contract, he can be extended anytime, but he can only be traded up to the March 25 trade deadline. Blazers should make him their best offer now. If he doesn't accept, the options are trade him or match any offer he receives. It's a decision about willingness to pay the luxury tax. I believe that decision was already made when Blazers gave Lillard the super-max. To go back now and say we are going to change course, I think would be a betrayal to Lillard, CJ, and Olshey. These 3 guys have done their respective jobs as well as could be done, so the money woman needs to get out her checkbook. Talent has to be paid.

Norm2953 · Post #39 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 1:40 am

I wonder if getting a young player out of the mess that has been the Sacramento Kings for the past 20
years would turn Bagley's game around.

I do also wonder if the ASG lineup that blew open a close game would work in a regular game. We might
see when CJ returns for we'll have Dame/CJ and GTJ on the court for significant minutes along with
Nurk/Kanter in the low post who should get a lot of 1/1 situations. Imagine how that lineup would work
if we could add a wing shooter (Barnes?)

d-train · Post #40 » by **d-train** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 2:05 am

Barnes is a average player without strong complementary skills. He's a waste of $21M. In our case, a waste of luxury tax money. You can argue that GTJ is an average player too and there is a risk we have to overpay him. At least, GTJ has unknown upside potential. And, his skillset is complementary.