Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[wupuck]

I wonder if the Dubs are thinking of trying to acquire Dipo as a Sign and trade chip.

I'm pretty sure Dipo would net a greater return in a sign & trade than Oubre would as they're both on expiring contracts.

It would make sense to me if Myer's wants Dipo to try and get a Iggy & maybe their 1st overall pick from this year in a Sign and trade w/ Miami.

[donkeylips]

I believe Miami owes their 2021 to okc. They own their 2022 but their 2023-2026 is protected and owed okc as well. So miami can’t trade a first

[wupuck]

I believe Miami owes their 2021 to okc. They own their 2022 but their 2023-2026 is protected and owed okc as well. So miami can’t trade a first

Damn. Iggy and Miami's 1st would have made for a nice little boost to next years squad at only the cost of Oubre and a couple of bench players...

[lars_rosenberg]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

[wupuck]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

I don't believe the Dubs won't get anything valuable for Oubre, but I do believe the return for Dipo would be higher than Oubre in a sign and trade. the question is, what say Miami or the Knicks give in return for a Dipo since those are his preferred spots supposedly.

[KevinMcreynolds]

they should have just kept Levert, idk wtf they were thinking

[lars_rosenberg]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

I don't believe the Dubs won't get anything valuable for Oubre, but I do believe the return for Dipo would be higher than Oubre in a sign and trade. the question is, what say Miami or the Knicks give in return for a Dipo since those are his preferred spots supposedly.

Miami can just sign Dipo with cap space, no need to s&t.

[wupuck]

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

I don't believe the Dubs won't get anything valuable for Oubre, but I do believe the return for Dipo would be higher than Oubre in a sign and trade. the question is, what say Miami or the Knicks give in return for a Dipo since those are his preferred spots supposedly.

Miami can just sign Dipo with cap space, no need to s&t.

My understanding is that they'd need to renounce the rights of Nunn and DRobinson to do that. I don't think they're willing to do that so creating some space first would make sense.

[ChuckDurn]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

I don't believe the Dubs won't get anything valuable for Oubre, but I do believe the return for Dipo would be higher than Oubre in a sign and trade. the question is, what say Miami or the Knicks give in return for a Dipo since those are his preferred spots supposedly.

If we sign-and-trade Oladipo (or anybody else), that triggers the hard cap, which we have no functional way to get under (because of the massive contracts of Curry, Klay, Wiggins, and Draymond).

ANy idea of trading for Oladipo to use him in a sign-and-trade for anybody else doesn’t work.

[FNQ]

- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

Only way it makes sense for the Rockets

Conversely, the only way it makes sense for us is if it was Wiggins. Otherwise Lacob, who apparently was looking for liquidity not too long ago, is looking to increase an already massive tax bill.

My guess is that we tried to sell the Rockets on Wiggins as a 3&D player who can play next to Wall, as Wall needs to be ball-dominant to be effective and him w/Dipo isn't a fit. Of course, Wiggins isn't a fit either, because Wiggins is a tough fit everywhere, so the Rockets are likely not going to be interested unless significant draft capital is coming, be it via pick or Wiseman.

BUT - if it were a larger deal.. maybe it has legs?

GS in: Wood, Iguodala, Olynyk
GS out: Wiggins, Oubre, Wanamaker, Wiseman, GS1st (21)

HOU in: Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, D-Robinson, GS1st (21)
HOU out: Oladipo, Wood, Tucker

MIA in: Oladipo
MIA out: Iguodala, Olynyk, D-Robinson

We turn Wiggins into expirings and get Wood for Wiseman

Rockets get a high-ceiling C and FRP, as well as rights to a great shooter in Robinson

Heat turn expirings and D-Rob into Oladipo so they can resign him and retain Nunn

[wupuck]

That's why it is not impossible for the Warriors to get him. If he was worth anything we wouldn't have anything to give the Rockets.
Dipo is leaving in free agency anyway, so Houston can't ask anything back. They are out of the playoff race, so any asset they can get is good for them.
Oubre + Looney + Paschall for Dipo works and gives Houston two young players with another year of contract they would potentially have contract control over.
Looney isn't bad for us, but is overpaid and Paschall is going back at being useless. It would open roster sposts for JTA and Otto.
Imho it works for both teams.
It's a win now move, but I don't see many alternatives. Nobody is giving us anything valuable for Oubre.

I don't believe the Dubs won't get anything valuable for Oubre, but I do believe the return for Dipo would be higher than Oubre in a sign and trade. the question is, what say Miami or the Knicks give in return for a Dipo since those are his preferred spots supposedly.

If we sign-and-trade Oladipo (or anybody else), that triggers the hard cap, which we have no functional way to get under (because of the massive contracts of Curry, Klay, Wiggins, and Draymond).

ANy idea of trading for Oladipo to use him in a sign-and-trade for anybody else doesn’t work.

Damn forgot about that. Good call

[wupuck]

- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

Only way it makes sense for the Rockets

Conversely, the only way it makes sense for us is if it was Wiggins. Otherwise Lacob, who apparently was looking for liquidity not too long ago, is looking to increase an already massive tax bill.

My guess is that we tried to sell the Rockets on Wiggins as a 3&D player who can play next to Wall, as Wall needs to be ball-dominant to be effective and him w/Dipo isn't a fit. Of course, Wiggins isn't a fit either, because Wiggins is a tough fit everywhere, so the Rockets are likely not going to be interested unless significant draft capital is coming, be it via pick or Wiseman.

BUT - if it were a larger deal.. maybe it has legs?

GS in: Wood, Iguodala, Olynyk
GS out: Wiggins, Oubre, Wanamaker, Wiseman, GS1st (21)

HOU in: Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, D-Robinson, GS1st (21)
HOU out: Oladipo, Wood, Tucker

MIA in: Oladipo
MIA out: Iguodala, Olynyk, D-Robinson

We turn Wiggins into expirings and get Wood for Wiseman

Rockets get a high-ceiling C and FRP, as well as rights to a great shooter in Robinson

Heat turn expirings and D-Rob into Oladipo so they can resign him and retain Nunn

While it would suck to lose Wiseman, this is a very intriguing deal. Except w/ Dubs potentially dealing their 2021 1st rounder to OKC for Oubre (It won't be determined until after the season), They won't be able to trade it, so it would have to be a 2022 or the Minn pick which I'd prefer not to give up right now.

And who gets Wannamaker?

[FNQ]

- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

Only way it makes sense for the Rockets

Conversely, the only way it makes sense for us is if it was Wiggins. Otherwise Lacob, who apparently was looking for liquidity not too long ago, is looking to increase an already massive tax bill.

My guess is that we tried to sell the Rockets on Wiggins as a 3&D player who can play next to Wall, as Wall needs to be ball-dominant to be effective and him w/Dipo isn't a fit. Of course, Wiggins isn't a fit either, because Wiggins is a tough fit everywhere, so the Rockets are likely not going to be interested unless significant draft capital is coming, be it via pick or Wiseman.

BUT - if it were a larger deal.. maybe it has legs?

GS in: Wood, Iguodala, Olynyk
GS out: Wiggins, Oubre, Wanamaker, Wiseman, GS1st (21)

HOU in: Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, D-Robinson, GS1st (21)
HOU out: Oladipo, Wood, Tucker

MIA in: Oladipo
MIA out: Iguodala, Olynyk, D-Robinson

We turn Wiggins into expirings and get Wood for Wiseman

Rockets get a high-ceiling C and FRP, as well as rights to a great shooter in Robinson

Heat turn expirings and D-Rob into Oladipo so they can resign him and retain Nunn

While it would suck to lose Wiseman, this is a very intriguing deal. Except w/ Dubs potentially dealing their 2021 1st rounder to OKC for Oubre (It won't be determined until after the season), They won't be able to trade it, so it would have to be a 2022 or the Minn pick which I'd prefer not to give up right now.

And who gets Wannamaker?

Whoever pulls the short straw I guess? I was so excited to get him off the team I guess I traded him to the void... poor void

[kingcong95]

Once again, a sign and trade hard cap only applies to the team that RECEIVES the player, not the one giving him away.
I do not see the Rockets trading Wood this deadline for younger players or picks. They'd like to be somewhat competitive by 2024 because that's when they owe their next first to OKC.

[wupuck]

Only way it makes sense for the Rockets

Conversely, the only way it makes sense for us is if it was Wiggins. Otherwise Lacob, who apparently was looking for liquidity not too long ago, is looking to increase an already massive tax bill.

My guess is that we tried to sell the Rockets on Wiggins as a 3&D player who can play next to Wall, as Wall needs to be ball-dominant to be effective and him w/Dipo isn't a fit. Of course, Wiggins isn't a fit either, because Wiggins is a tough fit everywhere, so the Rockets are likely not going to be interested unless significant draft capital is coming, be it via pick or Wiseman.

BUT - if it were a larger deal.. maybe it has legs?

GS in: Wood, Iguodala, Olynyk
GS out: Wiggins, Oubre, Wanamaker, Wiseman, GS1st (21)

HOU in: Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, D-Robinson, GS1st (21)
HOU out: Oladipo, Wood, Tucker

MIA in: Oladipo
MIA out: Iguodala, Olynyk, D-Robinson

We turn Wiggins into expirings and get Wood for Wiseman

Rockets get a high-ceiling C and FRP, as well as rights to a great shooter in Robinson

Heat turn expirings and D-Rob into Oladipo so they can resign him and retain Nunn

While it would suck to lose Wiseman, this is a very intriguing deal. Except w/ Dubs potentially dealing their 2021 1st rounder to OKC for Oubre (It won't be determined until after the season), They won't be able to trade it, so it would have to be a 2022 or the Minn pick which I'd prefer not to give up right now.

And who gets Wannamaker?

Whoever pulls the short straw I guess? I was so excited to get him off the team I guess I traded him to the void... poor void

LOL. I would imagine Heat would be somewhat interested in him as an insurance for Dragic who seems to get injured often

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Would Cavs do a Wiseman + Oubre for Drummond? As much as I want to hold onto Wiseman, Curry and the gang aren't getting any younger and want someone to contribute NOW. But, also hard to gauge if Drummond would sign to a long-term contract with us or not (Probably not due to us being over the cap).

[lars_rosenberg]

Would Cavs do a Wiseman + Oubre for Drummond? As much as I want to hold onto Wiseman, Curry and the gang aren't getting any younger and want someone to contribute NOW. But, also hard to gauge if Drummond would sign to a long-term contract with us or not (Probably not due to us being over the cap).

Drummond value is a 2nd rounder, giving up Wiseman for him is nuts.
There were even rumors of Drummond being bought out.

[Warriors Analyst]

Would Cavs do a Wiseman + Oubre for Drummond? As much as I want to hold onto Wiseman, Curry and the gang aren't getting any younger and want someone to contribute NOW. But, also hard to gauge if Drummond would sign to a long-term contract with us or not (Probably not due to us being over the cap).

I'm probably among the posters with the lowest opinion of Wiseman on this board and this is objectively terrible. A fireable offense. All of your improvement as a poster over the last few years undone by this proposal...

(I jest, but it really is an awful idea.)

[SAKURABA216]

Would Cavs do a Wiseman + Oubre for Drummond? As much as I want to hold onto Wiseman, Curry and the gang aren't getting any younger and want someone to contribute NOW. But, also hard to gauge if Drummond would sign to a long-term contract with us or not (Probably not due to us being over the cap).

Drummond value is a 2nd rounder, giving up Wiseman for him is nuts.
There were even rumors of Drummond being bought out.

Drummond is trash. He is so limited offensively that the only way he can score is on put-backs and running hooks. Defensively, he isn't much better and I remember post players going to town on him. Al Jefferson used to be the bane of his existence until he bounced out of the league. The only thing he does well is rebound and you would have to be nuts to give up Wiseman for him. This is the same guy that was given away by the Pistons for a 2nd rounder in 2075.

[DevinVassell]

Seems I disagree with most here but we should definitely be trying to buy low on Drummond. He is exactly what this team needs. TOTAL BEAST. Never injured, an enforcer that provides extra toughness inside (next to Draymond) and is basically the best rebounder in the league... and he is still only 27. I'm sick of smallball, I'm sick of midgets and I'm sick of getting pushed around.

If he would resign at a reasonable price (along with Oubre)... and we could get out of Wiggins contract... I do Wiggins, Paschall and GS 1st for him in a heartbeat.

Drummond (Wiseman)
Green
Oubre
Klay
Curry (Suggs)

That is a team with some pretty tough hombre starters. I would love to see Steph and Klay take the majority of shots next year anyway. Delicious! Drummond is going to get you a lot of second chance opportunities.