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Blake Officially Bought Out

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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#141 » by Crymson » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:12 am

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This is easily the most ridiculous post I’ve seen on this site. I can’t believe this guy actually makes money following the Pistons.


It's Rod Beard. I'd advise anyone against looking to him as a source of reasonable analysis.

Sort wrote:I'm hoping Ron Beard was just using hyperbole for GM of the Year. That said, he has so far done so much better than SVG or Dumars even with some warts in there that I understand the feeling.


I doubt it was hyperbole. This is par for the course for him.
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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#142 » by bstein14 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:41 pm

Joe Dumars started out on fire as GM. It might have not looked that way at the time, because he missed out on Grant Hill and then CWebb in back to back offseasons, and his first two drafts were Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White.... but

His first trade was bringing FA Ben Wallace to town in a sign and trade.
His 2nd draft, where he took Rodney White in the first round, he got future all-star Mehmet Okur in the 2nd round.
He traded nothing for Cliff Robinson.
He traded draft mistake Cleaves for Jon Barry
He signed drafted Tayshaun Prince.
He signed Billups as a FA.
He traded Stackhouse for RIP.
He traded away the Rodney White mistake for another first rounder that ended up being Josh Smith(Later used in Sheed trade).

It's incredible what he did with that roster in his first two years with Detroit. He had a bad team with a superstar already deciding to leave in Hill and he added Big Ben, Billups, Rip, Prince, and Okur in a 2 year span as well as other solid bench/rotation players.

Not to mention his early coaching hire of Rick Carlisle ended up being a great coach in this league.
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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#143 » by bstein14 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:42 pm

Dumars quickly fixing his early draft mistakes to still get assets back out of them was a key part in having the assets to win that championship as well. If he holds those guys for too long we don't get back solid players/picks for them.
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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#144 » by flow » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:27 pm

bstein14 wrote:Joe Dumars started out on fire as GM. It might have not looked that way at the time, because he missed out on Grant Hill and then CWebb in back to back offseasons, and his first two drafts were Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White.... but

His first trade was bringing FA Ben Wallace to town in a sign and trade.
His 2nd draft, where he took Rodney White in the first round, he got future all-star Mehmet Okur in the 2nd round.
He traded nothing for Cliff Robinson.
He traded draft mistake Cleaves for Jon Barry
He signed drafted Tayshaun Prince.
He signed Billups as a FA.
He traded Stackhouse for RIP.
He traded away the Rodney White mistake for another first rounder that ended up being Josh Smith(Later used in Sheed trade).

It's incredible what he did with that roster in his first two years with Detroit. He had a bad team with a superstar already deciding to leave in Hill and he added Big Ben, Billups, Rip, Prince, and Okur in a 2 year span as well as other solid bench/rotation players.

Not to mention his early coaching hire of Rick Carlisle ended up being a great coach in this league.


When you look at that first move, it was unreal. He's about to lose Grant Hill to free agency. That's a given. And Grant is signing with Orlando. Also a given. Dumars puts together a last-minute sign & trade to save face & get something back in return. That something turns out to be not only Ben Wallace, but also Chucky Adkins, who would be a very solid player for the following 3.5 seasons before being traded for Rasheed. Felt bad that he missed the 2004 ride.

Possibly the greatest last-minute throw-in trade of all time.

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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#145 » by chrbal » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:08 pm

bstein14 wrote:Joe Dumars started out on fire as GM. It might have not looked that way at the time, because he missed out on Grant Hill and then CWebb in back to back offseasons, and his first two drafts were Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White.... but

His first trade was bringing FA Ben Wallace to town in a sign and trade.
His 2nd draft, where he took Rodney White in the first round, he got future all-star Mehmet Okur in the 2nd round.
He traded nothing for Cliff Robinson.
]He traded draft mistake Cleaves for Jon Barry
He signed drafted Tayshaun Prince.
He signed Billups as a FA.
He traded Stackhouse for RIP.
He traded away the Rodney White mistake for another first rounder that ended up being Josh Smith(Later used in Sheed trade).

It's incredible what he did with that roster in his first two years with Detroit. He had a bad team with a superstar already deciding to leave in Hill and he added Big Ben, Billups, Rip, Prince, and Okur in a 2 year span as well as other solid bench/rotation players.

Not to mention his early coaching hire of Rick Carlisle ended up being a great coach in this league.


He got Barry and a 1st. Not here to correct you, I just think it’s impressive he got both for cleaves
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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#146 » by Sort » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:37 pm

I can't help it. I still think of Dumars with that dumb photo where he is holding two phones. He certainly made some great moves early on, and Dallas was so smart to lock up Carlisle. That said, you can then go on and make a list of turds as well. I didn't even realize he was working in the league. No idea what "Chief Strategy Officer" means at all. Overpaid consultant? Is he really involved in the Kings?
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Re: Blake Officially Bought Out 

Post#147 » by Pharaoh » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:33 pm

So are those last few posts praising Joe a warning that while Weaver looks good now it might be fools gold?

Or is Weaver being compared favourably to early Joe?

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