Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

smauss · Post #61 » by **smauss** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:16 am

buckbeer wrote:Bucks: Larry Nance Jr.
Cavs: Augustin, Wilson, 2nd rd pick.

I was looking at that as well. But we need to move Brook first and foremost. Is there a way to get McGee and Nance with Brook in the mix?

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mcfromage · Post #62 » by **mcfromage** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:11 am

Read on Twitter

MKE: Montrezl, Wes Matthews, Kostas A.
LAL: Brook, Nwora

Post #63 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:27 pm

mcfromage wrote:

Read on Twitter

MKE: Montrezl, Wes Matthews, Kostas A.
LAL: Brook, Nwora

It's good value but not good fit. Montrezl's very good at what he does - but doesn't have any 3 point shot and is generally a defensive liability.

Post #64 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:32 pm

buckbeer wrote:Bucks: Larry Nance Jr.
Cavs: Augustin, Wilson, 2nd rd pick.

Nance is good, and we'd be giving them 2 bad players and a late 2nd. So, why would Cleve consider that?

ShootingtheJ · Post #65 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:47 pm

buckbeer wrote:Bucks: Larry Nance Jr.
Cavs: Augustin, Wilson, 2nd rd pick.

Cleveland turned down an offer that included 2 late 1st round picks. Nance won't be dealt for a 2nd.

Frank Nova · Post #66 » by **Frank Nova** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:48 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:
StickeeFingaz wrote:Zach Lowe emphasizing that the Bucks will make an effort to find a 6th/7th man upgrade. Simmons mentions, what about a 4th/5th man upgrade? Both agree that if your closing playoff lineup, with Giannis at center, includes Donte & Pat then you’re in trouble and I tend to agree.

Unfortunately we’re in a very difficult spot to try and upgrade the 4th/5th guy.

I do think now would be the time to include Donte in a trade for a player who you have more trust in during a playoff series. Donte was terrible last year until the last game or two, when we were already dead in the water.

Donte was above average when there was no pressure in the playoffs last year. We will need huge series’ from him, not just games come playoff time. The inconsistency between Pat and DD is what kills them. You just never know who’s gonna show up and that’s not gonna cut it against Brooklyn or even Philly/Boston realistically.

Elimination games are no pressure games? Wow, that's a real reach.

Donte started slow and got better during the bubble, and was dynamic at the end.

Having the audacity to give Donte credit for performing in an “elimination game” is the only reach. Be real. Down 3-1 with Giannis not even available and Donte had a whopping 17pts 4rebs 1ast in 28mins in a 9pt loss to end the season. Big stakes, big performer huh? That’s a real sad example of “dynamic”.

coolhandluke121 · Post #67 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:56 pm

Are people going for irony with the Donte doesn't show up for big games angle? Am I missing a joke?

Watch on YouTube

Nearly single-handedly won the tourney game against UW in the second half when the rest of his team decided not to show up as well:

Watch on YouTube

emunney · Post #68 » by **emunney** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:56 pm

All our guards were trash in the bubble until Giannis got hurt. We tried to get rid of all of them.

coolhandluke121 · Post #69 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:01 pm

emunney wrote:All our guards were trash in the bubble until Giannis got hurt. We tried to get rid of all of them.

Giannis was kind of undermining their roles in the bubble, but it goes both ways because Bledsoe was recovering from covid and fighting terrible performance anxiety while Hill's heart wasn't in it. But DDV had the 2nd-best rating on the team in his second playoff series ever in what was essentially his rookie year, so to target him as someone who "doesn't show up for big games" based on that is pretty ludicrous even if you don't know anything about his NCAA tournament track record, let alone if you do. :lol:

coolhandluke121 · Post #70 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:10 pm

Some good players to target with a DDV+ package:

Rozier
Lavine
Jerami Grant
Valanciunas
Vucevic
Myles Turner
Harrison Barnes

Obviously the details would vary greatly depending on the other players and contracts involved, but I'm just posting this to show that I'm not close-minded about trading DDV despite being one of his biggest fans.

Siefer · Post #71 » by **Siefer** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:12 pm

Behold!

coolhandluke121 · Post #72 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:19 pm

Siefer wrote:

Behold!

I don't think this is remotely a possibility and yet I can't give a specific reason why it's not, other than being so complicated. Well done.

ETA: Oh, MPJ - yeah, the Nuggets can probably do better if they trade him. And the Bucks need 14 players under contract. This makes that tough.

Frank Nova · Post #73 » by **Frank Nova** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:41 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:Are people going for irony with the Donte doesn't show up for big games angle? Am I missing a joke?

Watch on YouTube

Nearly single-handedly won the tourney game against UW in the second half when the rest of his team decided not to show up as well:

Watch on YouTube

If you have to reference what a 3rd year player did in college to make a point, isn’t the point already made? Why is it so unfair to question DDV as a NBA starter? And if we are going back to college for agenda, he wasn’t even a starter in college...

He’s shown flashes of solid basketball and I’m not advocating that we trade him for a bologna sandwich but the ppl that believe he’s even a quality starter on a team with championship aspirations, I’m gonna call you delusional every time. Not as a personal attack, just as a statement that I’m baffled that anyone can see that type of trajectory for him now. It’s not a small sample size anymore....

emunney · Post #74 » by **emunney** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:47 pm

It's not a small sample size, it's a large sample size of the team excelling when he plays, bench or starter.

crkone · Post #75 » by **crkone** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:00 pm

https://thef5.substack.com/p/lillard-clutch

SupremeHustle · Post #76 » by **SupremeHustle** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 pm

emunney wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:Don't trade Donte eVer again, pls.

You Donte fans are killing me!!!! You're killing me, Smalls! You're killing me, Petey! YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!

What's the over/under on # of seasons before LaVine gets lucky enough to play on a winning team? The guy is SO unlucky. It's insane, this guy's luck.

Did you know that if the Bulls win 16 more games this season, they will have won more games (32) than any other team LaVine has played for? I for one believe they can possibly do it if everything goes perfectly.

Everybody here would trade Donte for LaVine if they could.

Chad34 · Post #77 » by **Chad34** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:14 pm

crkone wrote:https://thef5.substack.com/p/lillard-clutch

So what do the Giannis haters have to say about this :lol:

The criticism that Giannis can't close, and isn't clutch Is just a bunch of empty hot air. Also Giannis has consistently been the one to step up on this team when "the shooters" can't hit a shot to save their lives.

coolhandluke121 · Post #78 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:18 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
If you have to reference what a 3rd year player did in college to make a point, isn’t the point already made? Why is it so unfair to question DDV as a NBA starter? And if we are going back to college for agenda, he wasn’t even a starter in college...

He’s shown flashes of solid basketball and I’m not advocating that we trade him for a bologna sandwich but the ppl that believe he’s even a quality starter on a team with championship aspirations, I’m gonna call you delusional every time. Not as a personal attack, just as a statement that I’m baffled that anyone can see that type of trajectory for him now. It’s not a small sample size anymore....

You are clueless about what constitutes winning basketball if that's your take, and it's not just about his performance in college. He also had the 2nd-best net rating on the team in the Miami series, and he has the 7th-best RPM in the entire league among SG's after being 8th last year. There is absolutely no track record of his teams NOT being significantly better when he's on the court, NBA or college, starter or bench, and yet you act like it's not only up for question but a given that he's NOT good. You're delusional about your own understanding of what it takes to win basketball games.

Siefer · Post #79 » by **Siefer** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:20 pm

emunney wrote:It's not a small sample size, it's a large sample size of the team excelling when he plays, bench or starter.

Yep. I keep trying to figure out how to get Turner without trading Donte, but I don't think it's feasible. It's a cliche, but Donte does so many little things every game, even when he's bricking shots. Just an example, but he's worth at least -1 turnover a game just because he runs to the ball and bails out the guy (Middleton) who picked up his dribble and got swarmed.

tydett · Post #80 » by **tydett** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:30 pm

It's probably true that Donte would be his "best" as a 26 mpg 6th man type, but the dearth of talent on this roster (and relative inability to add more) means that he's going to get more to do than just that. Probably not fair to hold against him that he has to be the team's 4th best player just because the rest of the team 5-15 is poop.