2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

bstein14 · Post #561 » by **bstein14** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:57 am

Piston Pete wrote:I thought Kuminga was the youngest of all prospects in this draft. Isn’t he supposed to be a HS Senior right now?

I believe you are correct... being from the Congo of course there is always the birth certificate question, but he is listed as being born Oct 6th 2002 and most Freshman in this draft class were born in 2001 and are 19 currently.

NYPiston · Post #562 » by **NYPiston** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:50 am

MotownMadness wrote: Pretty spot in about how I feel about those guys. The guy I really like is Springer as well. Can get to the rim and score from anywhere while also being a better playmaker then Moody and Bouknight.

Also really like Wagner as he's just a well rounded player like a Tayshaun Prince or something.

Barnes I'm coming around on because he is quite impactful with his defense and playmaking giving him some comps to a Draymond Green type. His offense is a mess though.

Jalen Johnson I want no part of

Cade
Mobley
Green
Suggs
Kuminga
Moody
Springer
Barnes
Bouknight
Wagner

That's my top 10 now

I'd probably swap Bouknight and Springer considering Pistons needs, I'd swap Mobley and Suggs (my guy) and maybe sub out Wagner for Kispert just because Kispert is such an incredible shooter but we pretty much agree otherwise. It's a shame about Johnson because he has great physical tools but that's a big red flag when he quits on his team in the middle of the season. I get why he did it to an extent but it also says something about his character IMO.

On another note, I'm going to see if I can find a Suggs highlight package from tonight when it's posted on youtube. Tonight was Exhibit A on why I think he's so special and has arguably the biggest "it" factor in this draft. The basketball IQ is off the charts (he'd arguably be a top 5 passer in the NBA right now), he has that killer instinct that I love in a player always in attack mode, he can lock down defensively and he loves taking the biggest shot and drained three big 3's tonight to put the game away to illustrate that.

He just has that special swagger to him that all the greats have, a swagger that I don't quite see in anybody else in this draft outside of possibly Green. If he was more consistent with that outside shot, he'd be #1 in this draft. I truly believe that. I think he's a better version of Lamelo Ball, not a perfect comparison stylistically but really high IQ players who have elite court vision.

zeebneeb · Post #563 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:04 am

I've decided that Green is my #1 pick. He is an absolute scoring machine from anywhere on the court and his ceiling is everest. His last g-league game was a monster and his ability, and more importantly his willingness to take, and finish thru contact is outstanding.

If Hayes pans out, he is the perfect running mate for him. Hell, he would be a perfect running mate for any competent PG in the league. Kid is going to be a 20+ppg scorer for a long ass time.

BJK1 · Post #564 » by **BJK1** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:09 am

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MotownMadness · Post #565 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:20 pm

BJK1 wrote:

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I bet he's gonna be one of those guys who comes right in making a big impact like a Haliburton. Kid just knows how to play the right way while being really talented on both sides of the ball. He could be like a Chauncey Billups type of floor general down the road.

MotownMadness · Post #566 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:20 pm

G League Ignite eliminated in the first round but Green had a career high of 30 pts with 20 pts in the 2nd half. Watch him scoring at the rim here

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BJK1 · Post #567 » by **BJK1** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:34 pm

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Piston Pete · Post #568 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 pm

Played without Kuminga - injured?

Lost to a team led by Nik Stauskas and Henry Ellenson.

DetroitSho · Post #569 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:46 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Played without Kuminga - injured?

Lost to a team led by Nik Stauskas and Henry Ellenson.

Was the 2nd part just an FYI or was it supposed to have a greater meaning?

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zeebneeb · Post #570 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:23 pm

BJK1 wrote:

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If the Pistons end up with the #6 pick, im just gonna laugh. I mean, c'mon already.

Piston Pete · Post #571 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:45 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Played without Kuminga - injured?

Lost to a team led by Nik Stauskas and Henry Ellenson.
Was the 2nd part just an FYI or was it supposed to have a greater meaning?

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FYI, lol

Looks like Ellenson put together a pretty good G-League season. Averaged 21/8 while shooting over 40% on 3’s. Still only 24 years old, just sayin’

Piston Pete · Post #572 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:51 pm

Tier 1:
Cade
Mobely
Green
Suggs

Tier 2:
Kuminga
Moody
Springer
Bouknight
Barnes
Williams

MotownMadness · Post #573 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:03 am

BJK1 wrote:

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You got a subscription so you can post their mock draft?

buzzkilloton · Post #574 » by **buzzkilloton** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:45 am

BJK1 wrote:

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This is why so many posters have said being in the top 5 is essential this season. Were looking at 5 guys who would of been #1 picks last season. Picking 6 would be a disaster.

Hopefully something comes with these Plumlee/Ellington/Wright rumors and we really bottom out to catch the Wolves.

bstein14 · Post #575 » by **bstein14** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:16 am

buzzkilloton wrote:
BJK1 wrote:

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This is why so many posters have said being in the top 5 is essential this season. Were looking at 5 guys who would of been #1 picks last season. Picking 6 would be a disaster.

Hopefully something comes with these Plumlee/Ellington/Wright rumors and we really bottom out to catch the Wolves.

It's almost certain those will not be the top 5 guys drafted. Never in any years, are mock drafts 3+ months in advance exactly right in picking the top 5 players. Someone's stock always rises and someone's stock always falls.

At least one of those guys will end up in the 6-8 spot.

buzzkilloton · Post #576 » by **buzzkilloton** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:28 am

bstein14 wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
BJK1 wrote:

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This is why so many posters have said being in the top 5 is essential this season. Were looking at 5 guys who would of been #1 picks last season. Picking 6 would be a disaster.

Hopefully something comes with these Plumlee/Ellington/Wright rumors and we really bottom out to catch the Wolves.

It's almost certain those will not be the top 5 guys drafted. Never in any years, are mock drafts 3+ months in advance exactly right in picking the top 5 players. Someone's stock always rises and someone's stock always falls.

At least one of those guys will end up in the 6-8 spot.

I'm not going back and looking through every year of mocks but I'm fairly certain off the top of my head 2014 was fairly close from the a month into the NCAA season on what guys were going in the top6 or 7 picks. Sure alot of seasons dont even have a true number 1 guy so its different.

Regardless its pretty obv this is different then other seasons. One of the best draft experts is saying its one of the best top 5 hes seen in 20 years. I wouldnt bet against him being wrong on this.

bstein14 · Post #577 » by **bstein14** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:33 am

buzzkilloton wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
This is why so many posters have said being in the top 5 is essential this season. Were looking at 5 guys who would of been #1 picks last season. Picking 6 would be a disaster.

Hopefully something comes with these Plumlee/Ellington/Wright rumors and we really bottom out to catch the Wolves.

It's almost certain those will not be the top 5 guys drafted. Never in any years, are mock drafts 3+ months in advance exactly right in picking the top 5 players. Someone's stock always rises and someone's stock always falls.

At least one of those guys will end up in the 6-8 spot.

I'm not going back and looking through every year of mocks but I'm fairly certain off the top of my head 2014 was fairly close from the a month into the NCAA season on what guys were going in the top6 or 7 picks. Sure alot of seasons dont even have a true number 1 guy so its different.

Regardless its pretty obv this is different then other seasons. One of the best draft experts is saying its one of the best top 5 hes seen in 20 years. I wouldnt bet against him being wrong on this.

For sure its important to be one of the bottom 3 teams to have the highest % chances at a top 4 pick. I think Weaver knows this and will make moves accordingly. I am not sure you gut the entire team down so far that we can't possibly win 5 more games this season, but I do think he'll make certain we finish bottom 3.

buzzkilloton · Post #578 » by **buzzkilloton** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:41 am

bstein14 wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
It's almost certain those will not be the top 5 guys drafted. Never in any years, are mock drafts 3+ months in advance exactly right in picking the top 5 players. Someone's stock always rises and someone's stock always falls.

At least one of those guys will end up in the 6-8 spot.

I'm not going back and looking through every year of mocks but I'm fairly certain off the top of my head 2014 was fairly close from the a month into the NCAA season on what guys were going in the top6 or 7 picks. Sure alot of seasons dont even have a true number 1 guy so its different.

Regardless its pretty obv this is different then other seasons. One of the best draft experts is saying its one of the best top 5 hes seen in 20 years. I wouldnt bet against him being wrong on this.

For sure its important to be one of the bottom 3 teams to have the highest % chances at a top 4 pick. I think Weaver knows this and will make moves accordingly. I am not sure you gut the entire team down so far that we can't possibly win 5 more games this season, but I do think he'll make certain we finish bottom 3.

Its actually not about having the highest chance at a top 4 pick. Its about being the team that cant drop from the 5 pick. If we can out tank the Wolves and finish worst no matter how the ball drops we are locked into pick 5 in what is looking like a 5 player draft.

I don't see why trading guys like Plumlee/Wright/Ellington matters these guys arent in long-term plans. These are the type of players tanking teams move for assets that will be used in the future. I've been seeing some rumors pop up so I imagine Weaver is smart and realizes we don't need them for a tank season.

Canadafan · Post #579 » by **Canadafan** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:29 am

zeebneeb wrote:
BJK1 wrote:

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If the Pistons end up with the #6 pick, im just gonna laugh. I mean, c'mon already.

Lmao ya exactly.
So refresh my memory....if we end up with let's say 3rd worst record in league...what's lowest our pick can be?
Cause we need to guarantee ourselves that top5 no matter what

zeebneeb · Post #580 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:51 am

Canadafan wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
BJK1 wrote:

Read on Twitter
If the Pistons end up with the #6 pick, im just gonna laugh. I mean, c'mon already.

Lmao ya exactly.
So refresh my memory....if we end up with let's say 3rd worst record in league...what's lowest our pick can be?
Cause we need to guarantee ourselves that top5 no matter what

worst record, lowest 5th pick. For each less worst record, go back one pick. 2nd=6th, 3rd=7th. E.t.c.