Trade Discussion 22/23

[dirkforpres]

Who would Mavs trade for 2025 first round ?

Unless it’s for a proven star like Beal or Lavine, I can’t imagine them trading any more first rounders or pick swaps

[Darren]

Dallas Mavericks Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +9.8 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Incoming Players
Buddy Hield
28 year old, 6-4, 220 lb G from Oklahoma
16.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.8 minutes in 2020-2021

Marvin Bagley III
21 year old, 6-11, 240 lb PF from Duke
14.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Nemanja Bjelica
32 year old, 6-10, 235 lb PF from KK Crvena Zvezda (Serbia)
8.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 18.0 minutes in 2020-2021

Richaun Holmes
27 year old, 6-10, 240 lb F from Bowling Green
13.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 29.5 minutes in 2020-2021

Outgoing Players
Kristaps Porzingis
25 year old, 7-3, 240 lb FC from Coosur Real Betis (Spain)
20.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Dwight Powell
29 year old, 6-10, 240 lb PF from Stanford
4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Josh Richardson
27 year old, 6-5, 200 lb G from Tennessee
12.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 31.5 minutes in 2020-2021

Boban Marjanovic
32 year old, 7-4, 290 lb C from KK Vrsac Swisslion (Serbia)
4.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.8 minutes in 2020-2021

The Mavs lane towards more traditional lineup and build a running team after that. The second unit could pay dividend to win-loss category. Just put everyone back to natural positions. End the zone defense and unfavorable mismatch experiment. In clutch situation, Luka can play the 4 and let Hardaway space the floor as well. Theoretically, this could end the Rick Carlisie tanking in 2021.

C - Kleber / WCS / Holmes
PF - Bjelica / Bagley / Bey
SF - Doncic / DFS / Green
SG - Hield / Hardaway / Hinton
PG - Brunson / Burke / Terry

[JD45]

I would think the Mavs could get Hield and Bagley without giving up KP.

KP played well at the end of last year, so I think he is likely to play well again. I don't see getting rid of him for other bad contracts and draft busts.

[fuller4379]

Dallas Mavericks Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +9.8 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Incoming Players
Buddy Hield
28 year old, 6-4, 220 lb G from Oklahoma
16.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.8 minutes in 2020-2021

Marvin Bagley III
21 year old, 6-11, 240 lb PF from Duke
14.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Nemanja Bjelica
32 year old, 6-10, 235 lb PF from KK Crvena Zvezda (Serbia)
8.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 18.0 minutes in 2020-2021

Richaun Holmes
27 year old, 6-10, 240 lb F from Bowling Green
13.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 29.5 minutes in 2020-2021

Outgoing Players
Kristaps Porzingis
25 year old, 7-3, 240 lb FC from Coosur Real Betis (Spain)
20.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Dwight Powell
29 year old, 6-10, 240 lb PF from Stanford
4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.1 minutes in 2020-2021

Josh Richardson
27 year old, 6-5, 200 lb G from Tennessee
12.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 31.5 minutes in 2020-2021

Boban Marjanovic
32 year old, 7-4, 290 lb C from KK Vrsac Swisslion (Serbia)
4.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.8 minutes in 2020-2021

The Mavs lane towards more traditional lineup and build a running team after that. The second unit could pay dividend to win-loss category. Just put everyone back to natural positions. End the zone defense and unfavorable mismatch experiment. In clutch situation, Luka can play the 4 and let Hardaway space the floor as well. Theoretically, this could end the Rick Carlisie tanking in 2021.

C - Kleber / WCS / Holmes
PF - Bjelica / Bagley / Bey
SF - Doncic / DFS / Green
SG - Hield / Hardaway / Hinton
PG - Brunson / Burke / Terry

That is selling KP low.

[ejs78]

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Rather have him over WCS at this point if bought out. Looks like SA trying to trade him.



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[JD45]

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Rather have him over WCS at this point if bought out. Looks like SA trying to trade him.



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Would be a nice addition. But I bet if its a buyout he is going to one of the top teams or back to Portland.

He would be a good fit with either LA team. And I think there have been rumors he wanted to go back to Portland to finish his career.

[ejs78]

Maybe play for his home town team

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Rather have him over WCS at this point if bought out. Looks like SA trying to trade him.



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Would be a nice addition. But I bet if its a buyout he is going to one of the top teams or back to Portland.

He would be a good fit with either LA team. And I think there have been rumors he wanted to go back to Portland to finish his career.

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[dirkforpres]

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Rather have him over WCS at this point if bought out. Looks like SA trying to trade him.



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I would love to bring him home, but I’m not sure Dallas would be at the top of his list at this point of his career. He’s going to be ring chasing if he gets the opportunity... Clippers or Lakers

[fuller4379]

The Mavs have a better shot at LaMarcus Aldridge next year. I don't think the Spurs will trade him to the Mavs. If they buy him out, then he will sign a minimum contract with a contender because he would have no incentive to sign anything else. In this upcoming off-season, the Mavs will be able to pay him. The question is how much is a 36 year old LaMarcus Aldridge worth?

[jpengland]

The Mavs have a better shot at LaMarcus Aldridge next year. I don't think the Spurs will trade him to the Mavs. If they buy him out, then he will sign a minimum contract with a contender because he would have no incentive to sign anything else. In this upcoming off-season, the Mavs will be able to pay him. The question is how much is a 36 year old LaMarcus Aldridge worth?

Minimum or not far off.

His defense has been atrocious this year. He's a 15mpg back up at best on this team as he's not sharing the floor with KP.

[ejs78]

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I thought this was going to go away TBH.


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[dirkforpres]

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As he should be, but the last few games that he’s played in is the reason why Dallas shouldn’t just sell for 50 cents on the dollar. If there was somehow a Lavine +WCJ/Markkanen trade to be made with Porzingis and other pieces going back to Chicago, I say pull the trigger

[JD45]

Its pretty soft reporting. "Perception" is opinion of what's possible, which is very different than trade talks are underway. I am sure they would trade him if an attractive deal came along. But that seems very unlikely if GMs value him at anywhere near the low value placed on him on the Transactions board.

Despite perception, KP has been a very productive NBA player and his injuries are the ones most likely to have a full recovery. And he has shown full recovery from his most serious, the ACL. He is just trying to get back to a level of productivity he had last year, not develop into something new.

So if the Mavs want a player to be as productive as KP was last year, its very difficult to find a trade that has better chance of filling that role than just letting KP keep going.

[Archx]

So if the Mavs want a player to be as productive as KP was last year, its very difficult to find a trade that has better chance of filling that role than just letting KP keep going.

Plus, Mark basically straight up saying they won't trade him or anyone else... But we'll see, trade deadline is soon.

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[daoneandonly]

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As he should be, but the last few games that he’s played in is the reason why Dallas shouldn’t just sell for 50 cents on the dollar. If there was somehow a Lavine +WCJ/Markkanen trade to be made with Porzingis and other pieces going back to Chicago, I say pull the trigger

I'm with you on exploring a KP trade, but not all with that package. You've criticized KP defense a lot, rightfully so, but Lavine and lauri are even worse. They're essentially Kevin martin and Charlie V, no way in hell should mavs touch that

[dirkforpres]

So if the Mavs want a player to be as productive as KP was last year, its very difficult to find a trade that has better chance of filling that role than just letting KP keep going.

Plus, Mark basically straight up saying they won't trade him or anyone else... But we'll see, trade deadline is soon.

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Well Mark and everyone else in the Mavs FO have to say these things if they have any hope of preserving trade value or maintaining any leverage in possible discussions. You have to give off the impression that you are fine walking away with what you have... like going to a dealership to buy a new car.

Not saying that means anything... I don’t expect Porzingis to be moved this year of anytime soon for that matter, but honestly, if Cuban were to say anything else other than what he said, it would just be a poor negotiating strategy and you’d be left with a Detroit/Blake Griffin scenario where no one is about to give anything of value for a guy the team doesn’t even want

[dirkforpres]

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As he should be, but the last few games that he’s played in is the reason why Dallas shouldn’t just sell for 50 cents on the dollar. If there was somehow a Lavine +WCJ/Markkanen trade to be made with Porzingis and other pieces going back to Chicago, I say pull the trigger

I'm with you on exploring a KP trade, but not all with that package. You've criticized KP defense a lot, rightfully so, but Lavine and lauri are even worse. They're essentially Kevin martin and Charlie V, no way in hell should mavs touch that

I’m of the opinion that defense is much easier to teach than the ability to create your own shot or get to the basket...

Not saying Porzingis can’t do those things, but for Luka’s sake I think the Mavs 2 biggest needs right now are to find a more reliable guard than Richardson that can play alongside Doncic, and rebounding... Finding rebounds is much easier though due to how many bigs are available for basically free at the moment (Cousins, Drummond, Aldridge, Zeller, etc)... but being able to potentially acquire an all star caliber guard in this guard geared league is likely much more difficult.

That’s why if Lavine is available for Porzingis as the 2 main pieces, I think Dallas at least has to take the call.

[dirkules_41]

So if the Mavs want a player to be as productive as KP was last year, its very difficult to find a trade that has better chance of filling that role than just letting KP keep going.

Plus, Mark basically straight up saying they won't trade him or anyone else... But we'll see, trade deadline is soon.

Read on Twitter

Well Mark and everyone else in the Mavs FO have to say these things if they have any hope of preserving trade value or maintaining any leverage in possible discussions. You have to give off the impression that you are fine walking away with what you have... like going to a dealership to buy a new car.

Not saying that means anything... I don’t expect Porzingis to be moved this year of anytime soon for that matter, but honestly, if Cuban were to say anything else other than what he said, it would just be a poor negotiating strategy and you’d be left with a Detroit/Blake Griffin scenario where no one is about to give anything of value for a guy the team doesn’t even want

Not a chance he goes anywhere unless we get an offer we can't refuse (aka Beal). Cubes has been about as clear as he ever has been about it and there's no reason to not believe him. He doesn't exactly have a history of making false statements with such conviction.

[dirkforpres]

Plus, Mark basically straight up saying they won't trade him or anyone else... But we'll see, trade deadline is soon.

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Well Mark and everyone else in the Mavs FO have to say these things if they have any hope of preserving trade value or maintaining any leverage in possible discussions. You have to give off the impression that you are fine walking away with what you have... like going to a dealership to buy a new car.

Not saying that means anything... I don’t expect Porzingis to be moved this year of anytime soon for that matter, but honestly, if Cuban were to say anything else other than what he said, it would just be a poor negotiating strategy and you’d be left with a Detroit/Blake Griffin scenario where no one is about to give anything of value for a guy the team doesn’t even want

Not a chance he goes anywhere unless we get an offer we can't refuse (aka Beal). Cubes has been about as clear as he ever has been about it and there's no reason to not believe him. He doesn't exactly have a history of making false statements with such conviction.

I mean, I agree with you that odds are he’s almost surely not going anywhere, but I do disagree that it’s because of what Mark is saying. You would have to be a complete and total moron to own the team and say that one of your players (let alone starters... let alone stars) isn’t part of your plans going forward, unless you’re comfortable buying them out... Which is out of the question. It’s a total leverage play. If Cuban went on ESPN saying that yes, they’ve made/taken calls about KP but can’t seem to find a deal, imagine what that does for Porzingis’ confidence or what it does to the locker room, or even what it would do for his trade value after the interview aired.

My guess (and I have nothing to back this up other than suspicion) is that Porzingis asked for a trade and Donnie put out feelers to see what kind of return they could get. They probably were getting lowballed and took him back off the market until he can hopefully regain his bubble form when they will revisit.

[JD45]

I don't know if Cuban would lie or not, but I agree with his assessment.

Bubble and playoff KP is a top 20 player. His meniscus injury has a very high probability of a full recovery. And since he is only 25, his chances of reaching that level of play again are good. I agree that his chance of further injury is a concern. But finding someone else who could reach that level of productivity is very difficult.