Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[crowhead76]

Then sign Shaq Harrison. I think Craig does have some value on his contract, possibly trade him for Len or for a SRP to open a buy out slot or add him to the trade for the Kings. Ariza would fit nicely in there.

Holiday - Harrison - Powell
DDV - Ross - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Pat - Craig - Nwora
Giannis - Bjelica - Thanasis
Portis - Whiteside - Diakite

[stillgotgame]

What about something centered around DJA for George Hill with OKC? We could use Donte, DJW, or Craig to balance the salary. If they are high enough on Donte maybe we could even pry one of their young wings to replace him as part of the deal.

Think Hill was a better fit than DJA and they are on similar length deals so OKC may do it if they want to take a flyer on DJW or are interested enough in Donte. Or worst case scenario for OKC is they take Craig or Wilson back to match salaries it is a few million off the books a few years earlier than it would if they kept Hill.

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Hill's heart is in the right place, and I agree with every movement, but, something **** up the chemistry last year and my gut wants to say it started with Hill, somehow.

When your locker room leader starts talking to the media about how the league shouldn't even be playing in the bubble, you can pretty much guarantee that has an effect on the mood of the team. I'm willing to bet he would be accepted back with open arms though, don't think players would hold a grudge if he was in fact a big reason for the chemistry issues. A lot of **** has gone down over the last year and everyone has had to deal with it in their own way.

I think both of you are right on point on this. Hill a good guy, but clearly was distracted. I think team chemistry and commitment to winning is far more important than is realized. We got off course just before the bubble and never could right the ship.

[coolhandluke121]

If trading some bad longer-term contracts for LMA is a way to clean up the books without alienating the main guys on the team, assuming they respect LMA, then I'm kind of okay with it even though I think LMA is worse than Brook + DJA right now.

[Ron Swanson]

I've said previously that Aldridge would be an ideal guy to plug into our defensive scheme to hide his limitations there, but he's become an absolute sieve recently. Spurs are nearly 9 points per-100 worse when he's on the floor vs. when he's off. Either Jakob Poetl is the 2nd coming of Ben Wallace, or LMA is 10x more cooked than Lopez at this point. He probably adequately replaces what Brook brings you offensively, but he makes the defensive issues/fit much worse.

[jschligs]

Hill's heart is in the right place, and I agree with every movement, but, something **** up the chemistry last year and my gut wants to say it started with Hill, somehow.

When your locker room leader starts talking to the media about how the league shouldn't even be playing in the bubble, you can pretty much guarantee that has an effect on the mood of the team. I'm willing to bet he would be accepted back with open arms though, don't think players would hold a grudge if he was in fact a big reason for the chemistry issues. A lot of **** has gone down over the last year and everyone has had to deal with it in their own way.

I think both of you are right on point on this. Hill a good guy, but clearly was distracted. I think team chemistry and commitment to winning is far more important than is realized. We got off course just before the bubble and never could right the ship.

There are rumors that Hill thought he was shipped out by the FO because of his behavior in the bubble. I don't think he wants to come back.

[emunney]

I've said previously that Aldridge would be an ideal guy to plug into our defensive scheme to hide his limitations there, but he's become an absolute sieve recently. Spurs are nearly 9 points per-100 worse when he's on the floor vs. when he's off. Either Jakob Poetl is the 2nd coming of Ben Wallace, or LMA is 10x more cooked than Lopez at this point. He probably adequately replaces what Brook brings you offensively, but he makes the defensive issues/fit much worse.

I think the main thing with LMA vs. Poeltl is that LMA can't anchor the middle the way Poeltl can in the one Spurs configuration that is really working. He's suddenly not just a bad fit there but practically useless.

[paulpressey25]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

[thonnisbeastley]

Then sign Shaq Harrison. I think Craig does have some value on his contract, possibly trade him for Len or for a SRP to open a buy out slot or add him to the trade for the Kings. Ariza would fit nicely in there.

Holiday - Harrison - Powell
DDV - Ross - Forbes - Merrill
Middleton - Pat - Craig - Nwora
Giannis - Bjelica - Thanasis
Portis - Whiteside - Diakite

I've wanted Ross since he signed as a FA with ORL, but I doubt that's enough to get him. Don't see any reason the Kings would trade 2 expirings for a backup big that will be on the books for 2 more seasons. I would want all 3 of those guys though.

[MoreTrife]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

It will take a miracle for Horst to make any impactful move. The cupboards are bare and only meaningful asset is DDV. If you jettison him it better be for a better player and how do we make that happen with zero draft picks? Yeesh.

[emunney]

The hope has got to be some sort of junk for junk trade when the junk coming our way miraculously clicks into place, like the Warrick and Joe Alexander for Salmons deal that sparked the Fear the Deer run by filling a gaping hole on the wing and also allowing Ersan and LRMAM to form a super effective PF platoon.

So like Craig and DJW for ?

[JimmyTheKid]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

It will take a miracle for Horst to make any impactful move. The cupboards are bare and only meaningful asset is DDV. If you jettison him it better be for a better player and how do we make that happen with zero draft picks? Yeesh.

Actually think that gives us a little leverage. I don't believe there is any untapped potential in Donte. Doesn't mean he's not a nice player or key contributor, but I think this is it. Maybe another team disagrees. Either way, unless you are 100%, no questions asked, improving the roster, just hold onto him. No reason to make a panic move prior to the deadline.

[slos]

The one thing Horst needs to fix is our closing lineup. Bud has already started sitting Brook in crunch time, but is forced to play Connaughton which is not good either. That makes DDV untouchable in this deadline, since we will be looking for two players for our small ball closing lineup with Giannis at 5. Donte is young and cheap and we will need a 4.7 mil starter next season too with 110 mil tied to Jrue/Midds/Giannis + dead money.

The problem is that with Donte out off the table Horst needs to pull a trade out of his ass and get the most from our limited assets. He can still buy with 2nds Bjelica or Tucker, but I'm not sold they have much in their tank and even if they do I don't see them as the missing piece that puts us on top.

So, how can Horst improve our Jrue/DDV/Midds/Giannis closing lineup and beat Brooklyn? With no 1sts to use he needs to talk Houston into having our 2022 FRP a year earlier. Pelicans have our 2025 and 2027 FRPs, if Houston gets our 2021 FRP we will be able to trade an unprotected 2023 FRP. See what you can buy with that. If Lopez has any value around the league, use him too probably in a three way.

[skones]

Just flip DJW for Whiteside or McGee and you put yourself in position to sign a buyout. This isn't that difficult. Shore up rim protection. Give yourself the ability to sign a ball handler/wing. We could dramatically improve our defense pretty quickly.

I'd do this in a second but I don't think Cleveland or Sacto would unless there's no other interest and they're thinking of buying those guys out. I guess in either case you'd be hoping they see something in DJ and are willing to take a flyer.

Neither guy is helping either team in the long term and both are in a position to take a flier. If they want a future protected 2nd, throw em a bone.

[BroncoBuck]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

I’d be shocked if Horst didn’t make a move. I said it a while back, but a Wayne Ellington or Reggie Bullock level move seems inevitable. I’m not sure if there is a DDV trade out there for a bigger fish, but I am interested in this Sacramento situation. We know they were interested in him before, the Bucks could be the third team involved in a Barnes or Buddy trade.

As an aside, Simmons took my Ayton for KAT trade I proposed on Ayton’s draft night a few years years ago. My version was Ayton, Bridges, Josh Jackson for KAT. With Bridges emergence I really think that trade would have made a ton of sense for both teams. Shame it didn’t happen.

[fansinceforever]

The hope has got to be some sort of junk for junk trade when the junk coming our way miraculously clicks into place, like the Warrick and Joe Alexander for Salmons deal that sparked the Fear the Deer run by filling a gaping hole on the wing and also allowing Ersan and LRMAM to form a super effective PF platoon.

So like Craig and DJW for ?

This is where my head's at. Junk for junk and the buyout market seems to be our only shot.

Deals that bring in some relative value and sending out DJA, DJW and even Brook Lopez seem to be a little unrealistic at this point. I'd be happy to be wrong

[BroncoBuck]

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[Frank Nova]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

Wait what? Zach Lowe, a well respected basketball mind doesn’t think DDV is very good? What a SHOCKER!

Zach Lowe clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about tho, he’s obviously never read this board to find out just how good DDV truly is. He does stuff like make our team better than other teams and tries super hard on defense and has a real plus minus ranking in the back end of the top 10 at his position. But, Under all that greatness, he’s even more so a shining star ready to pick up where he left off 4yrs ago after that National Title game! Zach Lowe is a liar and wrong!

“I can’t respect anyone who doesn’t think DDV can’t be a starter on a championship team.” Does Zach Lowe now fall into that category or just me?

[paulpressey25]

Know that one of you guys summarized the Simmons-Lowe podcast from the other night. Just got a chance to listen to it.

Lowe feels like the Bucks big three have a chance to gel the next two-months and give NJ a run. A tougher out for the Nets than Philly will be (unless Philly gets Kyle Lowry).

Simmons then said he hates our guys 4-12. Said if we have as our #4 and #5 guys in a Giannis closing lineup as DDV and Pat, we're screwed. I'm in this camp.

Godspeed for the trade deadline Jon Horst.

Wait what? Zach Lowe, a well respected basketball mind doesn’t think DDV is very good? What a SHOCKER!

Zach Lowe clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about tho, he’s obviously never read this board to find out just how good DDV truly is. He does stuff like make our team better than other teams and tries super hard on defense and has a real plus minus ranking in the back end of the top 10 at his position. But, Under all that greatness, he’s even more so a shining star ready to pick up where he left off 4yrs ago after that National Title game! Zach Lowe is a liar and wrong!

“I can’t respect anyone who doesn’t think DDV can’t be a starter on a championship team.” Does Zach Lowe now fall into that category or just me?

Actually Bill Simmons was the guy saying that.

[paulpressey25]

The hope has got to be some sort of junk for junk trade when the junk coming our way miraculously clicks into place, like the Warrick and Joe Alexander for Salmons deal that sparked the Fear the Deer run by filling a gaping hole on the wing and also allowing Ersan and LRMAM to form a super effective PF platoon.

So like Craig and DJW for ?

The key to the Salmons trade was we got value for taking Salmons cap money off the Bulls, so they could pursue Bosh and Wade.

Of course ironically, Salmons outplayed his remaining $6.5mm year left on his contract, and opted out with us.

So, to extract the value you got from Salmons, we’ve got to take longer money back, than we send out.

[tski1972]

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Donte is better than Ross. I think people think Ross is this great shooter when in reality he’s about as average as average can be and he doesn’t play defense.