"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[GoGreen]

The Celtics are always 2 years away from being 2 years away. Done with this bs. Danny botched tf out of this roster.

Boston is not going to attract the ADs of the world. This team has always won titles through DRAFTING. Player development. Smart trades. That's how Red won 16 titles. Danny is mostly good at trades, but the scouting dept can't draft, and not only that they can't manage their gd assets. THIS is all the Cs have to show after all these picks, the Hayward, Horf, Kemba signings, and Ky trade??

KG was right. Danny overthinks sh*t. All he had to do was re-sign Rozier, grab Myles and Doug for Hayward, and this team is at least somewhat competitive. Use the damn #14 pick on Saddiq Bey and look at that, you've got a core that'll compete for years. Smh.

[MagicBagley18]

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

Your right in theory but imo that’s just dangerous. I don’t think we should make moves worried if the jays leave but in 2 years Jaylen has 1 year left on his deal and could want his own team and leave via free agency. In 2 years another super team can form and easily knock us off the map again.

Of course you're right. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

Right but while fans typically do always look for the bad (at least Celtics fans lol) there’s a precedent for it. We’ve seen multiple stars force their way out all around the league. While I agree, sure a super team could form here and I think most of us have acknowledged (or at least I have) hope that beal would force his way here to Boston to form one it’s still a long shot

The problem there is there’s also precedent set- we’ve never seen a player make us their top trade destination and infact it’s usually us not being on the list so there’s a reason for apprehension. That’s also being aware that the other teams who will be in a beal running are pretty good spots ; Miami, golden state, Philly.

[BK_2020]

The Celtics are always 2 years away from being 2 years away. Done with this bs. Danny botched tf out of this roster.

Boston is not going to attract the ADs of the world. This team has always won titles through DRAFTING.

Actually the last title was won by sucking and tanking hard for a decade then trading for KG and Ray.

[SMTBSI]

Your right in theory but imo that’s just dangerous. I don’t think we should make moves worried if the jays leave but in 2 years Jaylen has 1 year left on his deal and could want his own team and leave via free agency. In 2 years another super team can form and easily knock us off the map again.

Of course you're right. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

Right but while fans typically do always look for the bad (at least Celtics fans lol) there’s a precedent for it. We’ve seen multiple stars force their way out all around the league. While I agree, sure a super team could form here and I think most of us have acknowledged (or at least I have) hope that beal would force his way here to Boston to form one.

The problem there is there’s also precedent set- we’ve never seen a player make us their top trade destination and infact it’s usually us not being on the list so there’s a reason for apprehension. That’s also being aware that the other teams who will be in a beal running are pretty good spots ; Miami, golden state, Philly.

I'm definitely not making the argument we're a shoe-in to draw that superstar in '23-'24. I'm just saying there's huge risk no matter what.

There's huge risk to mortgaging the future and pushing all-in now, while Brooklyn is blocking us, and our starting point is pretty far from a top-tier team.

There's huge risk to waiting the current super teams out and trying to become one ourselves in a couple years.

Either path could work, or blow up spectacularly. CeltsfaninDC is getting lit up for their take on the last page. But it's as defensible a position as any other.

[BostonCouchGM]

I would do that too, but why PP when they already have Fox and Haliburton?

I would jump at that deal lol. I know people love PP because he came out the gates better than Nesmith but if I had a choice between them Im keeping Nesmith over him 10/10 times.

You sell HIGH on PP if you are going to get Barnes back

selling high on PP is when Brad wakes up, makes him the starter, PP is putting up 18-5-8 shooting 40% from three and playing above average defense. That's near his upside. We'd be selling real low if we traded him now. He legit could be our 2nd best player

[Feed Your Head]

The Knicks board is going to start having a podcast after each game, at first I thought it would be a cool idea for this board. But it would probably be something like this

[MagicBagley18]

Of course you're right. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

Right but while fans typically do always look for the bad (at least Celtics fans lol) there’s a precedent for it. We’ve seen multiple stars force their way out all around the league. While I agree, sure a super team could form here and I think most of us have acknowledged (or at least I have) hope that beal would force his way here to Boston to form one.

The problem there is there’s also precedent set- we’ve never seen a player make us their top trade destination and infact it’s usually us not being on the list so there’s a reason for apprehension. That’s also being aware that the other teams who will be in a beal running are pretty good spots ; Miami, golden state, Philly.

I'm definitely not making the argument we're a shoe-in to draw that superstar in '23-'24. I'm just saying there's huge risk no matter what.

There's huge risk to mortgaging the future and pushing all-in now, while Brooklyn is blocking us, and our starting point is pretty far from a top-tier team.

There's huge risk to waiting the current super teams out and trying to become one ourselves in a couple years.

Either path could work, or blow up spectacularly. CeltsfaninDC is getting lit up for their take on the last page. But it's as defensible a position as any other.

I guess it’s about mentality then- because while sure we could be patient and in 2 years be laughing at all of these posts and be reaping the benefits of that patience, I guess it’s hard to preach patience on what If when we’ve seen other teams do the opposite and kind of force momentum and reap benefits.

Again- all different situations and that stuff matters but we preached patience with the heat, then the warriors, then bron leaving the east. Now it’s the nets. Whose next? It’s also hard to preach patient like I mentioned earlier when the real pressure due to contracts has just begun with Tatum and brown (there’s a clock ticking so to speak)

On top of that we’ve sat out trades (for different reasons and some correct reasons) to see other teams flourish. Sat out kawhi- raptors get a ring, sat out AD lakers get a ring, sat out harden nets position themselves for a ring and stand in our way. So while you are 100% correct about selling patience.......it’s hard to buy it as a Celtics fan

[BK_2020]

I would jump at that deal lol. I know people love PP because he came out the gates better than Nesmith but if I had a choice between them Im keeping Nesmith over him 10/10 times.

You sell HIGH on PP if you are going to get Barnes back

selling high on PP is when Brad wakes up, makes him the starter, PP is putting up 18-5-8 shooting 40% from three and playing above average defense. That's near his upside. We'd be selling real low if we traded him now. He legit could be our 2nd best player

PP is slower than Vucevic, has mediocre handles, can't get a shot off to save his life, is short with tiny arms, and hasn't demonstrated any court vision beyond making the obvious passes to guys right in front of him. His ceiling is Wanamaker, which he might reach if he put in a lot of hard work on defense.

[MagicBagley18]

The Knicks board is going to start having a podcast after each game, at first I thought it would be a cool idea for this board. But it would probably be something like this

I’ve been told I sound like joe Pesci so I’ll prob sound like this up there

Watch on YouTube

[CelticFaninLBC]

I would jump at that deal lol. I know people love PP because he came out the gates better than Nesmith but if I had a choice between them Im keeping Nesmith over him 10/10 times.

You sell HIGH on PP if you are going to get Barnes back

selling high on PP is when Brad wakes up, makes him the starter, PP is putting up 18-5-8 shooting 40% from three and playing above average defense. That's near his upside. We'd be selling real low if we traded him now. He legit could be our 2nd best player

This is some creative trolling.

[SMTBSI]

Right but while fans typically do always look for the bad (at least Celtics fans lol) there’s a precedent for it. We’ve seen multiple stars force their way out all around the league. While I agree, sure a super team could form here and I think most of us have acknowledged (or at least I have) hope that beal would force his way here to Boston to form one.

The problem there is there’s also precedent set- we’ve never seen a player make us their top trade destination and infact it’s usually us not being on the list so there’s a reason for apprehension. That’s also being aware that the other teams who will be in a beal running are pretty good spots ; Miami, golden state, Philly.

I'm definitely not making the argument we're a shoe-in to draw that superstar in '23-'24. I'm just saying there's huge risk no matter what.

There's huge risk to mortgaging the future and pushing all-in now, while Brooklyn is blocking us, and our starting point is pretty far from a top-tier team.

There's huge risk to waiting the current super teams out and trying to become one ourselves in a couple years.

Either path could work, or blow up spectacularly. CeltsfaninDC is getting lit up for their take on the last page. But it's as defensible a position as any other.

I guess it’s about mentality then- because while sure we could be patient and in 2 years be laughing at all of these posts and be reaping the benefits of that patience, I guess it’s hard to preach patience on what If when we’ve seen other teams do the opposite and kind of force momentum and reap benefits.

Again- all different situations and that stuff matters but we preached patience with the heat, then the warriors, then bron leaving the east. Now it’s the nets. Whose next? It’s also hard to preach patient like I mentioned earlier when the real pressure due to contracts has just begun with Tatum and brown (there’s a clock ticking so to speak)

On top of that we’ve sat out trades (for different reasons and some correct reasons) to see other teams flourish. Sat out kawhi- raptors get a ring, sat out AD lakers get a ring, sat out harden nets position themselves for a ring and stand in our way. So while you are 100% correct about selling patience.......it’s hard to buy it as a Celtics fan

Mentality? Maybe. But I often disagree with how mentality is portrayed. I've preached patience often over the last few years, and have often gotten something in return about how you can't keep operating in fear, and at some point need to just go for it.

I'm not operating in fear. I want multiple titles. I want a dynasty. I want to do whatever it takes to get one. And if that means staring into the void and not blinking for a couple more seasons, I will absolutely do it. To me, the "alpha" thing to do is the thing that works.

In particular, I'm not as worried about what these other teams are doing as some. I don't look it as there was one super team, then another, then another. I look at it as, how best do we build our own? Cause if we build a crappy one now, none of it's going to matter. We need to peak as high as possible.

[Feed Your Head]

The Knicks board is going to start having a podcast after each game, at first I thought it would be a cool idea for this board. But it would probably be something like this

I’ve been told I sound like joe Pesci so I’ll prob sound like this up there

Watch on YouTube

I wonder who would be good choices for the in theory podcast, and who would be the most entertaining.

Also, you’re telling me you sound like this?

Watch on YouTube

[Darth Celtic]

Marcus Smart, Grant Williams, TThompson and 2 2nds for Barnes.

TPE 2021 unprotected first, and 2023 first top 3 protected and unprotected in 2024 for Vuc

Smart wants to and should get paid soon above what we probably want to pay. He's the man, heart and soul, and my guy, but we need to swtich something up.

Kemba/PP/Teague
JB/Romeo
Tatum/Nesmith
Barnes/Theis/Semi
Vuc/Timelord

defense takes a hit but overal it's been crap anyway.

That's a no weakness offensive team though.

[31to6]

Also, I'm seriously at the point with the Nets that they're not only better than the Lakers, but significantly better. Laugh at me all you want, but I think they're that good.

They've won 11 of 12 without KD, beat the Lakers (no AD but still no KD), Spurs, Clippers, Celtics, Suns without KD and Kyrie. Impressive for sure

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

In 2 years another super team can form and easily knock us off the map again.

It's always 2 years from now. Guess what. In 2 years there will be another super duper team and it'll be the window is now extending out 2 more years.

There could be a new superteam at that point. We're on the golden age of superteams after all.

You're all right, of course. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

I want to make love to the danger!

[JediMasterRevan]

Marcus Smart, Grant Williams, TThompson and 2 2nds for Barnes.

TPE 2021 unprotected first, and 2023 first top 3 protected and unprotected in 2024 for Vuc

Smart wants to and should get paid soon above what we probably want to pay. He's the man, heart and soul, and my guy, but we need to swtich something up.

Kemba/PP/Teague
JB/Romeo
Tatum/Nesmith
Barnes/Theis/Semi
Vuc/Timelord

defense takes a hit but overal it's been crap anyway.

That's a no weakness offensive team though.

I am trying really hard not to hate you for this proposal.

All joking aside, gross overpay for barnes. Not a single GM, manager, coach food vendor etc that would immediately trade Barnes for Smart. Add in 2 serviceable players and 2 2nds and its christmas

[Fencer reregistered]

The Celts need a 3-point specialist.

In today's NBA, almost all the teams have a 3-point specialist.

Celts really need one.

Nesmith says hi.

We had two contestants in the 3-pt contest.

And Pritchard can do everything a 3-pt "specialist" can.

[JediMasterRevan]

The Celts need a 3-point specialist.

In today's NBA, almost all the teams have a 3-point specialist.

Celts really need one.

Nesmith says hi.

We had two contestants in the 3-pt contest.

And Pritchard can do everything a 3-pt "specialist" can.

Agreed, Celtics just need to SHOOT threes.

[La Flame]

The Celts need a 3-point specialist.

In today's NBA, almost all the teams have a 3-point specialist.

Celts really need one.

Nesmith says hi.

We had two contestants in the 3-pt contest.

And Pritchard can do everything a 3-pt "specialist" can.

And more

[Fencer reregistered]

I mean, he's 17-48. At that sample size, one more miss or one more make swings the percentage by 42 points (.333 to .375). Looking at his percentage here just isn't telling us very much.

That arithmetic looks off. 1/48 is a little more than 2%, aka .020. Probably it's 0.021

Also, since 16/48 = 1/3, I'm sure 17/48 > .333. Indeed, it's a little over .353

[MagicBagley18]

I'm definitely not making the argument we're a shoe-in to draw that superstar in '23-'24. I'm just saying there's huge risk no matter what.

There's huge risk to mortgaging the future and pushing all-in now, while Brooklyn is blocking us, and our starting point is pretty far from a top-tier team.

There's huge risk to waiting the current super teams out and trying to become one ourselves in a couple years.

Either path could work, or blow up spectacularly. CeltsfaninDC is getting lit up for their take on the last page. But it's as defensible a position as any other.

I guess it’s about mentality then- because while sure we could be patient and in 2 years be laughing at all of these posts and be reaping the benefits of that patience, I guess it’s hard to preach patience on what If when we’ve seen other teams do the opposite and kind of force momentum and reap benefits.

Again- all different situations and that stuff matters but we preached patience with the heat, then the warriors, then bron leaving the east. Now it’s the nets. Whose next? It’s also hard to preach patient like I mentioned earlier when the real pressure due to contracts has just begun with Tatum and brown (there’s a clock ticking so to speak)

On top of that we’ve sat out trades (for different reasons and some correct reasons) to see other teams flourish. Sat out kawhi- raptors get a ring, sat out AD lakers get a ring, sat out harden nets position themselves for a ring and stand in our way. So while you are 100% correct about selling patience.......it’s hard to buy it as a Celtics fan

Mentality? Maybe. But I often disagree with how mentality is portrayed. I've preached patience often over the last few years, and have often gotten something in return about how you can't keep operating in fear, and at some point need to just go for it.

I'm not operating in fear. I want multiple titles. I want a dynasty. I want to do whatever it takes to get one. And if that means staring into the void and not blinking for a couple more seasons, I will absolutely do it. To me, the "alpha" thing to do is the thing that works.

In particular, I'm not as worried about what these other teams are doing as some. I don't look it as there was one super team, then another, then another. I look at it as, how best do we build our own? Cause if we build a crappy one now, none of it's going to matter. We need to peak as high as possible.

You articulate yourself very good and make really good points. I guess we at best can agree to disagree- I think in a league where star players and relationships matter you absolutely have to look at what other teams are doing and how your players will react to not making moves or making the wrong ones or “being surpassed in their careers”.

We all thought we had a dynasty forming with kyrie Hayward horford and the young guys- now it’s gonna be well we need patience because the jays winning time is actually 2 years from now while a lot of people pound their chest about how much “winning” the jays have done already. At some point you actually have to try to maximize your winning in the moment.