WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

wco81 · Post #1081 » by **wco81** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:00 pm

Adams has 2 seasons left after this one at $17 and $18 million.

Hart and Zo are RFAs.

and1GS · Post #1082 » by **and1GS** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:38 am

I'm curious what kind of offer sheets each will sign. I'd imagine around 10m, right below Clarksons ~12m deal.

wco81 · Post #1083 » by **wco81** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:29 am

not sure Hart will get that much.

Zo probably looking for over $15 million per.

WarriorGM · Post #1084 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:46 am

Warriors Analyst wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:If the team looks like they didn't have a plan it is because of mistakes they made before KD left. The inability of the team to get Damian Jones and Jordan Bell to the next level is the main culprit. Jones got injured in his designated make or break season so that's just unfortunate but Kerr deserves blame for not playing Bell more unless Bell was really an incorrigible headcase which I'm not convinced of. In hindsight the DeMarcus Cousins signing was a big mistake too.

What? Jordan Bell didn't even last the duration of a 10-day contract with the Wizards, who suck ass and are in desperate need of bodies at the 5. Jones sucks too and was always fated to suck because he has little feel for the game at his size.

The issue wasn't that the Warriors didn't get them to the next level. The issue was having Jones and Evans on the roster in the 2019 playoff run, taking McKinnie over Danuel House Jr. or Kendrick Nunn (although I am pretty sure my skin would crawl watching him play with his domestic violence issues), and not developing a single playable wing in 2015-19.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bell is in a career spiral even though he should be nearing his athletic peak. But when he was on the Warriors and playing with Steph he looked better than most of the supporting guys currently on the team. I wouldn't mind the team giving him a 10-day contract barring any personal issues signaling a red flag. That idea is probably too wild for most of you but probably unlike many here I still remember Game 7 against the Rockets in their 2018 series when he tag-teamed with Steph to bring the Warriors back from the brink.

and1GS · Post #1085 » by **and1GS** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:59 am

WarriorGM wrote:
Warriors Analyst wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:If the team looks like they didn't have a plan it is because of mistakes they made before KD left. The inability of the team to get Damian Jones and Jordan Bell to the next level is the main culprit. Jones got injured in his designated make or break season so that's just unfortunate but Kerr deserves blame for not playing Bell more unless Bell was really an incorrigible headcase which I'm not convinced of. In hindsight the DeMarcus Cousins signing was a big mistake too.

What? Jordan Bell didn't even last the duration of a 10-day contract with the Wizards, who suck ass and are in desperate need of bodies at the 5. Jones sucks too and was always fated to suck because he has little feel for the game at his size.

The issue wasn't that the Warriors didn't get them to the next level. The issue was having Jones and Evans on the roster in the 2019 playoff run, taking McKinnie over Danuel House Jr. or Kendrick Nunn (although I am pretty sure my skin would crawl watching him play with his domestic violence issues), and not developing a single playable wing in 2015-19.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bell is in a career spiral even though he should be nearing his athletic peak. But when he was on the Warriors and playing with Steph he looked better than most of the supporting guys currently on the team. I wouldn't mind the team giving him a 10-day contract barring any personal issues signaling a red flag. That idea is probably too wild for most of you but probably unlike many here I still remember Game 7 against the Rockets in their 2018 series when he tag-teamed with Steph to bring the Warriors back from the brink.

His lack of development is a 'personal issue.'

WarriorGM · Post #1086 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:42 am

and1GS wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Warriors Analyst wrote:
What? Jordan Bell didn't even last the duration of a 10-day contract with the Wizards, who suck ass and are in desperate need of bodies at the 5. Jones sucks too and was always fated to suck because he has little feel for the game at his size.

The issue wasn't that the Warriors didn't get them to the next level. The issue was having Jones and Evans on the roster in the 2019 playoff run, taking McKinnie over Danuel House Jr. or Kendrick Nunn (although I am pretty sure my skin would crawl watching him play with his domestic violence issues), and not developing a single playable wing in 2015-19.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bell is in a career spiral even though he should be nearing his athletic peak. But when he was on the Warriors and playing with Steph he looked better than most of the supporting guys currently on the team. I wouldn't mind the team giving him a 10-day contract barring any personal issues signaling a red flag. That idea is probably too wild for most of you but probably unlike many here I still remember Game 7 against the Rockets in their 2018 series when he tag-teamed with Steph to bring the Warriors back from the brink.

His lack of development is a 'personal issue.'

Or it could be due to lack of play time.

reamily · Post #1087 » by **reamily** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:04 am

Warriors really need to have that win now mentality, although some believe that a top 5 pick, year 2 wiseman and Klay thompson addition will make the team deeper or have the pieces enough to trade for another star to pair with curry and klay..

watch1958 · Post #1088 » by **watch1958** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:24 pm

I wonder what the plan for Wiseman was before Chriss got hurt. Would they have given him extensive run in the G-League?

The-Power · Post #1089 » by **The-Power** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:52 pm

watch1958 wrote:I wonder what the plan for Wiseman was before Chriss got hurt. Would they have given him extensive run in the G-League?

Plan? Probably the same. Start him, notice that he is too green, bench him and then have him as a part of the three-player Center rotations like they do now. It's simply Paschall who would have never played Center in that case.

Mylie10 · Post #1090 » by **Mylie10** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pm

reamily wrote:Warriors really need to have that win now mentality, although some believe that a top 5 pick, year 2 wiseman and clay thompson addition will make the team depper or have pieces enough to trade for another star to pair with curry and klay..

Clay will really hep and just getting him back makes us Depper where it’s nedded

Mylie10 · Post #1091 » by **Mylie10** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:10 pm

Paschall probably hates Wiseman....it’s effing up his standing

ILOVEIT · Post #1092 » by **ILOVEIT** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:27 pm

The strategy so far has been to teach wise man how to play within the Warriors system.

Maybe the right strategy is to give him the ball and get the F out of the way and let him function without thinking so damn much.

Someone else said it....makes sense....feature in him in the second unit. Insist that he get a crap load of touches to the point that the offense runs through him while he's on the floor. This will teach him how to pass as well.

and1GS · Post #1093 » by **and1GS** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
and1GS wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Bell is in a career spiral even though he should be nearing his athletic peak. But when he was on the Warriors and playing with Steph he looked better than most of the supporting guys currently on the team. I wouldn't mind the team giving him a 10-day contract barring any personal issues signaling a red flag. That idea is probably too wild for most of you but probably unlike many here I still remember Game 7 against the Rockets in their 2018 series when he tag-teamed with Steph to bring the Warriors back from the brink.

His lack of development is a 'personal issue.'

Or it could be due to lack of play time.

Sure. Jordan's entire lost career is due to a lack of playing time.

Post #1094 » by **Sleepy51** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:17 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
reamily wrote:Warriors really need to have that win now mentality, although some believe that a top 5 pick, year 2 wiseman and clay thompson addition will make the team depper or have pieces enough to trade for another star to pair with curry and klay..

Clay will really hep and just getting him back makes us Depper where it’s nedded

At this point I'm just not even reading any posts longer than two sentences if the first sentence doesn't start with "When Klay comes back ... "

Post #1095 » by **FNQ** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:55 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
reamily wrote:Warriors really need to have that win now mentality, although some believe that a top 5 pick, year 2 wiseman and clay thompson addition will make the team depper or have pieces enough to trade for another star to pair with curry and klay..

Clay will really hep and just getting him back makes us Depper where it’s nedded

At this point I'm just not even reading any posts longer than two sentences if the first sentence doesn't start with "When Klay comes back ... "

Its the Evaluate The Warriors This Season In Depth In A Giant Run On Sentence Preferably With No Punctuation Or Any Indicators of Tone Shift So That Sleepy Technically Has To Read It Because Its Less Than Two Sentences Even If It Doesnt Involve Klay Coming Back Challenge

clyde21 · Post #1096 » by **clyde21** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:11 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:The strategy so far has been to teach wise man how to play within the Warriors system.

Maybe the right strategy is to give him the ball and get the F out of the way and let him function without thinking so damn much.

Someone else said it....makes sense....feature in him in the second unit. Insist that he get a crap load of touches to the point that the offense runs through him while he's on the floor. This will teach him how to pass as well.

what? you want us to stop playing our system just for Wiseman?

if we have to completely stop our system for a rookie we should have never drafted that rookie.

reamily · Post #1097 » by **reamily** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:23 pm

Okay, I will be honest. This team screams 9th seed even with Klay around. And Wiseman perform below expectations.

Old_Blue · Post #1098 » by **Old_Blue** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:29 pm

reamily wrote:Okay, I will be honest. This team screams 9th seed even with Klay around. And Wiseman perform below expectations.

You need to be patient with big men. They take longer to develop. It has something to do with them being bigger. As long as Wiseman is playing decently four or five years from now, taking him at #2 will eventually be deemed a success...even IF LaMelo wins the Rookie of the Year Award and becomes a Top Ten player in the league.

Post #1099 » by **FNQ** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:29 pm

reamily wrote:Okay, I will be honest. This team screams 9th seed even with Klay around. And Wiseman perform below expectations.

Thanks for your honesty. We're 10th seed without him right now. Best of luck with that whole hearing screams issue

clyde21 · Post #1100 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:05 pm

Old_Blue wrote:
reamily wrote:Okay, I will be honest. This team screams 9th seed even with Klay around. And Wiseman perform below expectations.

You need to be patient with big men. They take longer to develop. It has something to do with them being bigger. As long as Wiseman is playing decently four or five years from now, taking him at #2 will eventually be deemed a success...even IF LaMelo wins the Rookie of the Year Award and becomes a Top Ten player in the league.

lol no it won't