"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[chrisab123]

Hey guys if you stop obsessing about all these trades we're going to make it will really soften the blow when no trades are actually made.

There's no way Danny stands pat with this version of the team. Their play is putrid. Team has little talent and no identity. Danny will do his job

Danny Ainge has not swung a single deadline deal since IT. That trend will continue this year unless he decides to sit Brad down and force him in incorporate a mid season acquisition into his college program. Its tough seeing a GM and coach openly waste two stars the way the Celtics are. Get some help for the stars please.

[GoGreen]

Im starting to talk myself into a Lonzo trade, assuming he's avbl.

If the Cs could manage to dump Kemba, and trade for Ball and Barnes... man. Ball/JB/JT/Barnes/Rob would be such a nice core to watch develop.

[gocelts]

Hey guys if you stop obsessing about all these trades we're going to make it will really soften the blow when no trades are actually made.

There's no way Danny stands pat with this version of the team. Their play is putrid. Team has little talent and no identity. Danny will do his job

Danny Ainge has not swung a single deadline deal since IT. That trend will continue this year unless he decides to sit Brad down and force him in incorporate a mid season acquisition into his college program. Its tough seeing a GM and coach openly waste two stars the way the Celtics are. Get some help for the stars please.

I don’t know...this is different than other seasons. In the past we had talent and were still developing and trying to understand how good we could be. This year we know we just are not that good even if we’re all healthy and firing on all cylinders. For this reason I feel pretty strongly that we’ll do something.

[Ernest]

I'd like a small upgrade over Semi and Grant for playoff minutes, but if that's not there I'm good with what we got. I think our team right now is better than last year. Give it some time with everyone healthy.

Everyone is hating on guys thatg are good. TT is good. Kemba is good. Teague is good. It sucks we have a **** record but we have a good team. I think we could do nothing and have just as strong a title shot as any trade I've read on here this year.

[CelticFaninLBC]

If Ainge wants to shake things up, the deal Kemba for Lonzo, Reddick and Hart. No idea if Boston would need to add anything else, and Eric Bledsoe could be included and routed to a 3rd team.

Then deal PP, a FRP for Barnes after this and they'd have..

Thompson/R. Williams
Barnes/Theis
Tatum/Hart
Brown/Reddick/Romeo
Lonzo/Smart

[Bohemian]

If Ainge wants to shake things up, the deal Kemba for Lonzo, Reddick and Hart. No idea if Boston would need to add anything else, and Eric Bledsoe could be included and routed to a 3rd team.

Then deal PP, a FRP for Barnes after this and they'd have..

Thompson/R. Williams
Barnes/Theis
Tatum/Hart
Brown/Reddick/Romeo
Lonzo/Smart

I like both trades

[Curmudgeon]

Those are great trades, but why would NO do the first one?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Those are great trades, but why would NO do the first one?

Good question. They may want a vet around Zion, Kira Lewis and Jaxson Hayes, and may want to shake things up too, as they're 16-22.

I don't think Kemba's value is as low as some think.

[Celts17Pride]

Those are great trades, but why would NO do the first one?

Good question. They may want a vet around Zion, Kira Lewis and Jaxson Hayes, and may want to shake things up too, as they're 16-22.

I don't think Kemba's value is as low as some think.

People may think Kemba is a pretty good player but his contract is an albatross. Nobody wants that contract including the Celtics.

Only way the Celtics are moving Kemba is if the take an equally bad contract or worst. Someone like Porzingis

[CeltsfaninDC]

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

this is such a dog sh*t take. It's always 2 years from now. Guess what. In 2 years there will be another super duper team and it'll be the window is now extending out 2 more years. . That's the way of the league. Danny is in a position to make his own super team...if he doesn't go for it then in a few years Brown and Tatum will leave and go form another superteam elsewhere. .He has 2 stars. he needs to figure this crap out and get it done.....I don't think they NEED a Harden-type to walk through that door in order to be a better team than BK. BK has 3 players. Shamet won't shoot like he did last night throughout a 7-game series. Neither will Kyrie. Yes Kyrie/KD/Harden is unreal. but the rest of that roster is pedestrian at best. If Danny added a Barnes and another useful vet to what he already has I really like the Celtics chances...BK can't guard anyone....If Boston has 4-5 guys that can score, then BK won't be able to stop Boston...and I like Boston's chances of getting a stop over BK's...... of course all of this assuming Ainge makes a couple moves. If he doesn't then this team simply isn't good enough to compete in the East this year. period. but they aren't far off either

Agreed

and neither one of you have any legitimate way to make this team a winner this year, now do you? C'mon, lets see the legitimate moves that either one of you would AND could make to elevate this team past BKL, PHL, LAL, UTA, DEN and a few others. Lots of hand wringing, but not one actual plan.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Those are great trades, but why would NO do the first one?

Good question. They may want a vet around Zion, Kira Lewis and Jaxson Hayes, and may want to shake things up too, as they're 16-22.

I don't think Kemba's value is as low as some think.

People may think Kemba is a pretty good player but his contract is an albatross. Nobody wants that contract including the Celtics.

Only way the Celtics are moving Kemba is if the take an equally bad contract or worst. Someone like Porzingis

New Orleans isn't close to the luxury tax next year and isn't a desirable free agent agent destination either. Kemba's deal expires when Zion becomes a free agent too.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if NO would do it, I might consider rerouting Lonzo to Charlotte (to play with his brother), and take back Bridges and Monk-- especially if I see 2020-21 as a gap year.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Order of preference.
1. Trade picks and whomever for a sure fire Allstar. (I’m over Barnes...this is getting ridiculous, he’s not Pippen)
2. Mini move involving trading minor assets (2nds, Edwards, Fall) for someone who fits/balances our roster
3. Dump Kemba and start Pritchard.

Tired of watching this bad product every other night. My little business could never be run this way. I get the owners and GM don’t care that much, but it’s super frustrating as a competitor to just watch your team lose knowing you can try and do something to improve.

How many "sure-fire all-stars" do you think there are in the league? Depending on exactly what you mean by the term, I presume the answer is somewhere in the 15-35 range, given that the actual number of all-stars in a given year is 24 plus a few injury replacements.

Then move on to plan B and C. This “waiting for the perfect deal” has ultimately cost us WAY more than a slight overpay in a trade. We’ve lost too many players for nothing and literally wasted picks we didn’t need.

Over and over again we hear this refrain: DA needs to make a big trade. And when we ask "Who?" the response is generally this. Name a few trades for actual "sure fire All-stars" please. If you can't even name one how exactly is Danny supposed to make an actual deal for one? The reality is that any trade you would make for a Beal will cost you a Jaylen. Teams aren't taking Kemba and giving us their All-star in return.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Hey guys if you stop obsessing about all these trades we're going to make it will really soften the blow when no trades are actually made.

There's no way Danny stands pat with this version of the team. Their play is putrid. Team has little talent and no identity. Danny will do his job

Danny Ainge has not swung a single deadline deal since IT. That trend will continue this year unless he decides to sit Brad down and force him in incorporate a mid season acquisition into his college program. Its tough seeing a GM and coach openly waste two stars the way the Celtics are. Get some help for the stars please.

Dude, I asked you days ago to simply name a few of these mystical trades that the Cs could do..... crickets. Can you post a few realistic deals that you would make right now for big name players otherwise there probably aren't any to make. Can you name even one?

[Curmudgeon]

Ainge won't do a bad deal and I'm not going to bash him for that. The trick is to find hidden value, as Ainge did with guys like Turner, Crowder and IT.

[Duke4life831]

Lonzo would be an ideal fit for you guys, but I dont see the Pels parting ways with him, especially for a Kemba deal. Lonzo is probably their best defender in the starting lineup, so right there to flip him for Kemba who is a really bad defender doesnt make sense. The Pels have also begun to really switch up how they run their offense. Theyve taken pretty much all of on ball duties away from Bledsoe and given that to Zion. And from what it looks like theyre planning to continue to up Zion and Ingram's on-ball duties. Pels have had a top 3 offense in the NBA since seeing them go to more of a Zion/Ingram centric offense, so I dont think they are looking for offensive help from the PG spot. So an on-ball PG like Kemba doesn't make too much sense when you already got youre two young guys you want with the ball in their hands. Then toss in Kemba doesnt look like prime Kemba and most likely has 2 more years after this year of a big contract.

Just don't see the appeal from the Pels point of view. To use Kemba to get Lonzo, I think a 3rd team would be needed to get it done.

[Feed Your Head]

Lonzo would be an ideal fit for you guys, but I dont see the Pels parting ways with him, especially for a Kemba deal. Lonzo is probably their best defender in the starting lineup, so right there to flip him for Kemba who is a really bad defender doesnt make sense. The Pels have also begun to really switch up how they run their offense. Theyve taken pretty much all of on ball duties away from Bledsoe and given that to Zion. And from what it looks like theyre planning to continue to up Zion and Ingram's on-ball duties. Pels have had a top 3 offense in the NBA since seeing them go to more of a Zion/Ingram centric offense, so I dont think they are looking for offensive help from the PG spot. So an on-ball PG like Kemba doesn't make too much sense when you already got youre two young guys you want with the ball in their hands. Then toss in Kemba doesnt look like prime Kemba and most likely has 2 more years after this year of a big contract.

Just don't see the appeal from the Pels point of view.

Seriously though, while you are here. What are your thoughts on Towns? This board is pretty split on the idea of Jaylen+ for Towns, just wondering what an unbiased outsider thinks about him.

I’d do it, but I completely understand why people have reservations about Towns.

[Duke4life831]

Lonzo would be an ideal fit for you guys, but I dont see the Pels parting ways with him, especially for a Kemba deal. Lonzo is probably their best defender in the starting lineup, so right there to flip him for Kemba who is a really bad defender doesnt make sense. The Pels have also begun to really switch up how they run their offense. Theyve taken pretty much all of on ball duties away from Bledsoe and given that to Zion. And from what it looks like theyre planning to continue to up Zion and Ingram's on-ball duties. Pels have had a top 3 offense in the NBA since seeing them go to more of a Zion/Ingram centric offense, so I dont think they are looking for offensive help from the PG spot. So an on-ball PG like Kemba doesn't make too much sense when you already got youre two young guys you want with the ball in their hands. Then toss in Kemba doesnt look like prime Kemba and most likely has 2 more years after this year of a big contract.

Just don't see the appeal from the Pels point of view.

Seriously though, while you are here. What are your thoughts on Towns? This board is pretty split on the idea of Jaylen+ for Towns, just wondering what an unbiased outsider thinks about him.

I’d do it, but I completely understand why people have reservations about Towns.

Hard to tell. Part of me wouldnt want my team going all out to get him. I think he is horrible defensively. This was the 2nd and 3rd most used lineups for the Wolves last year.

Napier, Culver, Covington, Wiggins, KAT (105 minutes)
Napier, Culver, Covington, Wiggins, Dieng (101 minutes)

The Dieng lineup had a Defensive Rating of 108. The KAT lineup had a Defensive Rating of 123.

The exact same lineups, almost identical amount of minutes, the only change is swapping KAT with Dieng. And the difference between those lineups defensively was a lineup that was playing top 10 level defense, vs a historically bad level defense.

I dont think that example is needed for most to know how bad KAT has been defensively, but I just think its a good representation of just how bad he can be on that end. But the question is, how much of that is KAT being a horrible defender and how much of it is the Wolves just being the Wolves and everyone looking bad there.

But with that said, Id probably do it. I know Brown had a hot start to the season, but Im not 100% sold I want him as my #2 ball handler/option for my offense. Id probably take the chance to get KAT, and hope in a new environment he plays better consistent defense. And just try and build around Tatum/KAT.

[MagicBagley18]

Lonzo would be an ideal fit for you guys, but I dont see the Pels parting ways with him, especially for a Kemba deal. Lonzo is probably their best defender in the starting lineup, so right there to flip him for Kemba who is a really bad defender doesnt make sense. The Pels have also begun to really switch up how they run their offense. Theyve taken pretty much all of on ball duties away from Bledsoe and given that to Zion. And from what it looks like theyre planning to continue to up Zion and Ingram's on-ball duties. Pels have had a top 3 offense in the NBA since seeing them go to more of a Zion/Ingram centric offense, so I dont think they are looking for offensive help from the PG spot. So an on-ball PG like Kemba doesn't make too much sense when you already got youre two young guys you want with the ball in their hands. Then toss in Kemba doesnt look like prime Kemba and most likely has 2 more years after this year of a big contract.

Just don't see the appeal from the Pels point of view.

Seriously though, while you are here. What are your thoughts on Towns? This board is pretty split on the idea of Jaylen+ for Towns, just wondering what an unbiased outsider thinks about him.

I’d do it, but I completely understand why people have reservations about Towns.

Hard to tell. Part of me wouldnt want my team going all out to get him. I think he is horrible defensively. This was the 2nd and 3rd most used lineups for the Wolves last year.

Napier, Culver, Covington, Wiggins, KAT (105 minutes)
Napier, Culver, Covington, Wiggins, Dieng (101 minutes)

The Dieng lineup had a Defensive Rating of 108. The KAT lineup had a Defensive Rating of 123.

The exact same lineups, almost identical amount of minutes, the only change is swapping KAT with Dieng. And the difference between those lineups defensively was a lineup that was playing top 10 level defense, vs a historically bad level defense.

I dont think that example is needed for most to know how bad KAT has been defensively, but I just think its a good representation of just how bad he can be on that end. But the question is, how much of that is KAT being a horrible defender and how much of it is the Wolves just being the Wolves and everyone looking bad there.

But with that said, Id probably do it. I know Brown had a hot start to the season, but Im not 100% sold I want him as my #2 ball handler/option for my offense. Id probably take the chance to get KAT, and hope in a new environment he plays better consistent defense. And just try and build around Tatum/KAT.

If the Celtics were trading brown and the options were KAT or beal who would you take?

[flintsky21]

Failing to at least find an upgrade over Semi/Grant/Javonte would just be plain incompetence.

You look at a team like Philly this year and think, there really shouldn't much difference between their roster construction and ours. Both teams are built around 2 young all-stars and a tertiary star with an albatross contract (Tobias/Kemba). But why is there a significant difference between the rest of the support cast? Semi/Grant/Javonte wouldn't sniff a single minute in that Philly team, let alone average 15 mpg. Heck they've got a guy like Maxey who's not getting minutes but would be like 5 times better than our Jeff Teague. And to think that Philly is STILL not content with what they have and are still looking for upgrades (Lowry, Tucker, etc), while Danny is likely heading towards another "happy with our team" deadline.