"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[gocelts]

Aldridge into the TPE and a bag of basketballs is better than no Aldridge.

That’s about what the TPE alone is worth.

If we refuse to relinquish Smart or Brown in a trade to get an Allstar...(and it seems we did that in passing on Harden) than that’s that.

We should get Aldridge for the same reasons Miami’s is interested...he’s a decent add. He and Williams make a great center rotation.

[Celts17Pride]

Aldridge into the TPE and a bag of basketballs is better than no Aldridge.

That’s about what the TPE alone is worth.

If we refuse to relinquish Smart or Brown in a trade to get an Allstar...(and it seems we did that in passing on Harden) than that’s that.

We should get Aldridge for the same reasons Miami’s is interested...he’s a decent add. He and Williams make a great center rotation.

Using the TPE for 30 games of LMA before he leaves for free agency in the summer is pretty dumb

[Fierce1]

Bagley and Buddy have zero defensive recognition and Joseph is cooked. Since two of those three are on the floor at all times it tears your team defense to shreds.

The future of the Kings will be Fox and Haliburton.

Another lottery pick this year will be what's best for the Kings.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Aldridge into the TPE and a bag of basketballs is better than no Aldridge.

That’s about what the TPE alone is worth.

If we refuse to relinquish Smart or Brown in a trade to get an Allstar...(and it seems we did that in passing on Harden) than that’s that.

We should get Aldridge for the same reasons Miami’s is interested...he’s a decent add. He and Williams make a great center rotation.

The spurs are 9 points worse with Alridge on the floor. Giving him minutes over RWIII is worse than letting the TPE expire.

[MagicBagley18]

Aldridge into the TPE and a bag of basketballs is better than no Aldridge.

That’s about what the TPE alone is worth.

If we refuse to relinquish Smart or Brown in a trade to get an Allstar...(and it seems we did that in passing on Harden) than that’s that.

We should get Aldridge for the same reasons Miami’s is interested...he’s a decent add. He and Williams make a great center rotation.

The spurs are 9 points worse with Alridge on the floor. Giving him minutes over RWIII is worse than letting the TPE expire.

And the Spurs who want to be in the playoffs are letting him go and saying we’ll be better without him- giant red flags.

[bisme37]

If the rumour about LMA is true, if Danny or Zarren have placed a call to the Spurs, then my fear is confirmed - that we are scrambling because we know that waiting till the summer to use that TPE is going to be bad.

That rumor about LMA doesn't sound like a rumor to me as much as just bored people speculating. It doesn't actually say Ainge is interested in LMA. It just says, "Some executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe the Boston Celtics could join the mix to acquire Aldridge using their $28.5 million trade exception."

[Ernest]

Is it Boogie time yet?

yeah, what's going on with him?

Teams are holding out to see what happens with Drummond and LMA and then will circle back around to boogie if at all. We could probably get him right now if we really wanted him

I think it goes both ways. The LAkers and Nets probably want to see who is available before they sign DMC. Good news is with Drummond and LMA already there, that takes 2 teams out of the running for DMC. Maybe someone else will get cut too.

TT or Theis could end up moved. Theis as he may walk in the offseason and TT as we may need his salary. If an opening is there DMC would be great as it would cost nothing and could possibly just possibly work out great. At one point he had really really great talent. He already scored like 40 in a game this year and HOU only cut him to tank.

[Ernest]

If there’s no moves and u cancel league pass will you also be so pissed and not interested that you won’t be here anymore?

I'll just find ways to watch the Celts for free.

I don't get why everyone doesn't do this. It's like using the things on youtube to block the adds and to block those crappy in video adds. "this video brought to you by Wix. Are you looking to make a website?" No. I'm not. I'm really not. This post brought to you by Goose Island IPA.

[Sactowndog]

Bagley and Buddy have zero defensive recognition and Joseph is cooked. Since two of those three are on the floor at all times it tears your team defense to shreds.

The future of the Kings will be Fox and Haliburton.

Another lottery pick this year will be what's best for the Kings.

A top 5 pick. Under Vivek the Kings have made it a bad habit of finishing 8-10. It was why I thought the Celts should have traded the Kings pick. Better teams tank to get into the top 5 and the Kings never do. Even the Fox and Bagley pick where luck from later in the lottery odds, which Vlade still F’d up.

[fallguy]

If there’s no moves and u cancel league pass will you also be so pissed and not interested that you won’t be here anymore?

I'll just find ways to watch the Celts for free.

I don't get why everyone doesn't do this. It's like using the things on youtube to block the adds and to block those crappy in video adds. "this video brought to you by Wix. Are you looking to make a website?" No. I'm not. I'm really not. This post brought to you by Goose Island IPA.

I'm really enjoying your sponsored posts.

[fallguy]

If the rumour about LMA is true, if Danny or Zarren have placed a call to the Spurs, then my fear is confirmed - that we are scrambling because we know that waiting till the summer to use that TPE is going to be bad.

That rumor about LMA doesn't sound like a rumor to me as much as just bored people speculating. It doesn't actually say Ainge is interested in LMA. It just says, "Some executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe the Boston Celtics could join the mix to acquire Aldridge using their $28.5 million trade exception."

Aldridge is cooked and the Celtics know it.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If the rumour about LMA is true, if Danny or Zarren have placed a call to the Spurs, then my fear is confirmed - that we are scrambling because we know that waiting till the summer to use that TPE is going to be bad.

That rumor about LMA doesn't sound like a rumor to me as much as just bored people speculating. It doesn't actually say Ainge is interested in LMA. It just says, "Some executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe the Boston Celtics could join the mix to acquire Aldridge using their $28.5 million trade exception."

Could be. I just think that Ainge has been under tremendous pressure to use that TPE. My fear is that he is not going to find anything useful with it this summer. The other fear is that he will overpay for the privilege of using it (e.g. 2 picks for Harrison Barnes)

[robdog_5]

That's is absolutely crap if we do that. That's a fireable offense

[Feed Your Head]

That's is absolutely crap if we do that. That's a fireable offense

They’re not doing it.

[mrmorrill]

Is it Boogie time yet?

yeah, what's going on with him?

I haven't seen him play this year can he offer anything? In theory you'd swap the minutes with TT then adjust them a bit to increase Timelord's playing time.

[GoCeltics123]

That's is absolutely crap if we do that. That's a fireable offense

They’re not doing it.

Our chances of getting Grant are the same as getting Aldridge on the TPE, which is zero

[Curmudgeon]

How about LaMarcus Aldridge and DeJounte Murray for Kemba andLangford ? Gets San Antonio under tax line and Kemba off the Celtics' books. No need to use the trade exception.

[snowman]

I really feel that Danny should wait until the offseason to use the 28.5 mil TPE, because:
1) he can't use it all during the season because of being hard capped, unless he trades Thompson in a second trade to stay under. This would possibly hurt future FA signings (LOL, there have been sooo many) since he was just signed.
2) He doesn't want to over pay to get who he wants, like Harrison Barnes. The Kings may be asking too much for him now, but might be more willing, this off season, to lighten the price, since Danny won't have to include Thompson in the deal.
3) There will be a greater number of players available during the off season and cost may not be as high.

With that being said, the 28.5 mil TPE is not the only TPE we have. We also have a 4.767 mil from the Kanter trade, and a 2.505 mil from the Poirier trade. I feel Danny should use these during the season to improve the end of the bench and give us some more vets to finish the season and playoffs.

Using the 4.767 TPE:
We probably could get, Garrett Temple from Chicago (34 yrs old, 6'5 G/F, 8.5 ppg, shooting 34% from 3) or maybe even Denzel Valentine also from Chicago (only 26 yrs old, 6'6 G/F, 7.8 ppg, shooting 34% from 3) or Reggie Bullock from NY (29 yrs old, 6'7 SF, 8.6ppg shooting 37 % from 3) or even Wayne Ellington from Detroit (33 yrs old, 6'4 SG, 10.5 ppg shooting 42% from 3)
Using the 2.505 TPE :
We could get Mike Muscalla from OKC (29 yrs old, 6'11 F/C, 9.7 ppg shooting 37% from 3) or

If we could add Ellington and Muscalla, or Bullock and Muscalla CHEAPLY, like for a 2nd round pick and cap savings or a player like Green and/or Edwards and a 2nd, I think it would help some this year and still have the 28.5 mil TPE to upgrade this summer.

[Duke4life831]

Sure, the Jays are bad in ISO this season. Everyone already knew that though, is common knowledge.

Are you going to admit that Jaylen dribbles and holds the ball far less than Ingram and Zion? For all my issues with Jaylen, him going ISO too much or holding the ball too long isn’t one of them.

Like I said, I'm not going to dispute your stats.

It's just a case of Jaylen is not very good on iso plays, so why do it?

If Ingram and Zion are doing more dribbling and holding the ball then you wouldn't know because the Pels have better ball movement, they're 12th in assists per game.

The Celts are only 27th in assists per game.

Ingram is even averaging more assists per game than Jaylen.

But do you see how that is a completely different conversation than what was being had though right? The conversation wasnt who was the better ISO player, you said Jaylen holds the ball more and dribbles more, not Ingram is a better ISO player and should dribble more because he is a better ISO player.

But this also again proves the point on why Kemba to the Pels makes no sense. Because I do agree, the offensive duo of Zion/Ingram is a better offensive duo than Tatum/Brown. This then leads to the question of, if Zion/Ingram are better on offense than Tatum/Brown and they are better at creating their own shots, why would Kemba be the better fit? Again this is something SVG has clearly figured out as well, Zion/Ingram are pretty damn good at creating offense, that is why he's handing them the ball more and more.

[robdog_5]

I really feel that Danny should wait until the offseason to use the 28.5 mil TPE, because:
1) he can't use it all during the season because of being hard capped, unless he trades Thompson in a second trade to stay under. This would possibly hurt future FA signings (LOL, there have been sooo many) since he was just signed.
2) He doesn't want to over pay to get who he wants, like Harrison Barnes. The Kings may be asking too much for him now, but might be more willing, this off season, to lighten the price, since Danny won't have to include Thompson in the deal.
3) There will be a greater number of players available during the off season and cost may not be as high.

With that being said, the 28.5 mil TPE is not the only TPE we have. We also have a 4.767 mil from the Kanter trade, and a 2.505 mil from the Poirier trade. I feel Danny should use these during the season to improve the end of the bench and give us some more vets to finish the season and playoffs.

Using the 4.767 TPE:
We probably could get, Garrett Temple from Chicago (34 yrs old, 6'5 G/F, 8.5 ppg, shooting 34% from 3) or maybe even Denzel Valentine also from Chicago (only 26 yrs old, 6'6 G/F, 7.8 ppg, shooting 34% from 3) or Reggie Bullock from NY (29 yrs old, 6'7 SF, 8.6ppg shooting 37 % from 3) or even Wayne Ellington from Detroit (33 yrs old, 6'4 SG, 10.5 ppg shooting 42% from 3)
Using the 2.505 TPE :
We could get Mike Muscalla from OKC (29 yrs old, 6'11 F/C, 9.7 ppg shooting 37% from 3) or

If we could add Ellington and Muscalla, or Bullock and Muscalla CHEAPLY, like for a 2nd round pick and cap savings or a player like Green and/or Edwards and a 2nd, I think it would help some this year and still have the 28.5 mil TPE to upgrade this summer.

I think player price point in season vs off season is an interesting debate. Let's take Harrison Barnes as example

1. Sacramento is essentially punting on season and building for future. So do they want to compete next year and if so will they want to keep Barnes after resetting team.

2. Does the savings from the rest of this season/cap space going into next offseason become important to management

3. Is it pre draft to use this year. The pick maybe more valuable now then when actually in draft.

4. You know Boston is up against losing TPE for nothing and so maybe you holder a firmer line.

5. If you want Barnes what's the point of not using him the rest of this year?

These are my thoughts on why it maybe more important to do the deal now if you like Barnes that much. Which I'm Luke warm on. I like him. Don't love him.

I think the big thing to do in the offseason is to handle Kemba deal somehow. Do you need to be working on all that at once? I'd prefer to bring someone in (whoever they deem as best fit) and then work with Kemba in offseason to get him traded.