Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[SupremeHustle]

If the Bucks make it to the Eastern Conference Finals with the current roster, congrats to Coach Bud.

If the Bucks make the moves that it will take to make it to the ECF, congrats Jon Horst.

I think you got it a little mixed up.

If the Bucks make it to the eastern conference finals with Bud as coach, it will be a miracle OR he finally scrapped the drop down defense. The defense sucks and will not change unless the scheme changes.

Last night is a prime example. Drop down defense the first three quarters and switching the last quarter, including the last play on Westbrook. Last quarter we give up 24 points, first 3 quarters are all 30 plus. The roster isn't great, but in the playoffs, the benches (except under Bud) are shortened. Stop making excuses for Bud, as if the roster allows wide open shots after a defender is screened. Nothing to do with the roster.

BigO, if the Bucks switch for 48 minutes a game, do you think they will win the championship this season?

[CharityStripe34]

Zach Lowe seems to think Horst & Co. are going to make some sort of move or two in the buyout/trade markets. Anyone think they have the guts to move someone like Brook?

[ShootingtheJ]

If the Bucks make it to the Eastern Conference Finals with the current roster, congrats to Coach Bud.

If the Bucks make the moves that it will take to make it to the ECF, congrats Jon Horst.

I think you got it a little mixed up.

If the Bucks make it to the eastern conference finals with Bud as coach, it will be a miracle OR he finally scrapped the drop down defense. The defense sucks and will not change unless the scheme changes.

Last night is a prime example. Drop down defense the first three quarters and switching the last quarter, including the last play on Westbrook. Last quarter we give up 24 points, first 3 quarters are all 30 plus. The roster isn't great, but in the playoffs, the benches (except under Bud) are shortened. Stop making excuses for Bud, as if the roster allows wide open shots after a defender is screened. Nothing to do with the roster.

The Bucks switched certain matchups the entire game. They used different personel in the 4th quarter.

[LuessiT]

Zach Lowe seems to think Horst & Co. are going to make some sort of move or two in the buyout/trade markets. Anyone think they have the guts to move someone like Brook?

I hope it but I doubt it.

[BigO]

If the Bucks make it to the Eastern Conference Finals with the current roster, congrats to Coach Bud.

If the Bucks make the moves that it will take to make it to the ECF, congrats Jon Horst.

I think you got it a little mixed up.

If the Bucks make it to the eastern conference finals with Bud as coach, it will be a miracle OR he finally scrapped the drop down defense. The defense sucks and will not change unless the scheme changes.

Last night is a prime example. Drop down defense the first three quarters and switching the last quarter, including the last play on Westbrook. Last quarter we give up 24 points, first 3 quarters are all 30 plus. The roster isn't great, but in the playoffs, the benches (except under Bud) are shortened. Stop making excuses for Bud, as if the roster allows wide open shots after a defender is screened. Nothing to do with the roster.

BigO, if the Bucks switch for 48 minutes a game, do you think they will win the championship this season?

I have written in previous posts that switching is not my favorite defense. I'd much rather the Bucks sticks to a help man defense rather than the drop man defense. If Brook (or whoever) comes out strong on the oppositions screener rather than drop way down, it would be more effective in my opinion. The Lakers primarily do this, although they mix it up quite a bit also.

But to answer your question, I think the Bucks would be in a better position to win it all than they are now. Teams have figured out how to attack the Bucks. There is too much evidence to prove it. It happened last year and has gotten worse this season.

[Beorn]

Is Axel Toupane any better than he was last time we signed him? He sucked the first go around.

Short Answer: No

Long answer:
I was living in Lithuania during his Zalgiris stint, and unfortunately he joined the club I support in Greece next year (Olympiakos). He was a good 3pt shooter from the corners, below average to average from any other spot on along the 3pt arc. He can't dribble or pass, so his offense in the half-court is pretty much non-existent. Above average perimeter defender for Europe but not very strong, he was pushed around against bigs. Average rotational player for EL, he won't hurt you much in a 15-18 MPG role, he is unlikely to make any difference either.

I don't think his D will translate in the NBA, where he won't have the athletic advantage he had vs white european wings.


Very Kidd-era signing

Αfter some serious consideration, I rescind the "average rotational wing for EL". Instead, he is a perfectly average EuroCup player, you can find many dozens of players like him in Europe, G-League or Down Under. A waste of a 2-way spot.

[LuessiT]

Generally am all for implementing a switching heavy defensive system but it would mean changes. Brook is borderline unplayable in it, so is Forbes. DJA is completely unplayable and we'd see more of Pat and Thanos who aren't exactly our best players.

[BigO]

If the Bucks make it to the Eastern Conference Finals with the current roster, congrats to Coach Bud.

If the Bucks make the moves that it will take to make it to the ECF, congrats Jon Horst.

I think you got it a little mixed up.

If the Bucks make it to the eastern conference finals with Bud as coach, it will be a miracle OR he finally scrapped the drop down defense. The defense sucks and will not change unless the scheme changes.

Last night is a prime example. Drop down defense the first three quarters and switching the last quarter, including the last play on Westbrook. Last quarter we give up 24 points, first 3 quarters are all 30 plus. The roster isn't great, but in the playoffs, the benches (except under Bud) are shortened. Stop making excuses for Bud, as if the roster allows wide open shots after a defender is screened. Nothing to do with the roster.

The Bucks switched certain matchups the entire game. They used different personel in the 4th quarter.

This is absolutely wrong. Eric Nehm (very good writer) wrote an article for the Athletic stating the Bucks used a switching defense last night. When I called him on it, he wrote me and admitted the Bucks used the drop down defense the entire first half and then started switching.

When I refer to switching, I don't mean secondary switching once the primary screen is set. Every team does secondary switching when a man is left wide open. The Bucks played drop man defense on the Wizards original screen last night until the fourth quarter. It was then they switched on all screens, except they tried not to switch on plays involving Lopez, for obvious reasons.

[paulpressey25]

Zach Lowe seems to think Horst & Co. are going to make some sort of move or two in the buyout/trade markets. Anyone think they have the guts to move someone like Brook?

It all depends on if Marc Lasry’s buddies like Kidd have told him Brook is washed or not.

[Neuromancer56]

Thought you all might appreciate this. Donte's having a much better year than Bogdonavic, and has a much better contract for the Bucks. https://www.fantasysp.com/start/nba/463889/bogdan-bogdanovic-or-donte-divincenzohttps://youtu.be/neoS9WjX6mE?t=84

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Jrue probably doesn't hit his incentives right? he missed quite a few and assuming bud rests some guys periodically he probably misses the incentives?

Spotrac lists a lot of "TBD" incentives so I'm not sure we can assume this.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/jrue-holiday-6316/

We know he will get $510k for 66 games and another $255k for 67+ games, and that includes the postseason, which technically could be as much as 30 games with the play-in and 28 games once that possibility is eliminated. So either 9 or 11 more regular season games, which is a pretty safe bet, will keep the door open on those incentives.

I don't know if his TBD incentives are the same as last year, but here's an interesting read on it:
https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2020/05/28/jrue-holiday-news-new-orleans-pelicans-nba-restart-playoffs-orlando-disney-world-florida/

If you're asking in hopes that some incentives will be mathematically eliminated and the hard cap will be lifted, I would tend to think that's very unlikely, but I don't know for sure. I would be mildly surprised if it's even allowed after an incentive has been ruled out, but in any case the nature of his incentives - or at least what we can presumably glean about them based on last year - means it could very well be a moot point.

I had that question previously and looked for answers in the CBA but found none. I then asked someone who knows a lot more about the CBA and he told me they don't fall off until the season end even if they can't be reached anymore e.g. all-star.

Correct. Unlikely bonuses count towards the hard cap, even if no longer achievable, unfortunately.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I have a question. Can the Bucks do a garbage for garbage trade just to get a little more under the hard cap, so they can at least be able to sign someone off the waivers?

I believe this is the most likely scenario. We need to get ourselves further under the hard cap so that we will be able to sign some of the guys that get bought put after the trade deadline passes, as soon as they clear waivers. Currently, we'd have to wait until April 8th, based on my calculations from all of the numbers I've looked at. That puts us at too much of a disadvantage compared to other contenders who wouldn't have to wait.

[emunney]

Zach Lowe seems to think Horst & Co. are going to make some sort of move or two in the buyout/trade markets. Anyone think they have the guts to move someone like Brook?

I think they absolutely have the guts to make a big deal if there's one that makes sense.

[ReasonablySober]

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[StickeeFingaz]

Would have been more excited to see if Myles Powell could show anything.

[ShootingtheJ]

I have a question. Can the Bucks do a garbage for garbage trade just to get a little more under the hard cap, so they can at least be able to sign someone off the waivers?

I believe this is the most likely scenario. We need to get ourselves further under the hard cap so that we will be able to sign some of the guys that get bought put after the trade deadline passes, as soon as they clear waivers. Currently, we'd have to wait until April 8th, based on my calculations from all of the numbers I've looked at. That puts us at too much of a disadvantage compared to other contenders who wouldn't have to wait.

These guys rarely sign immediately, it's not really a factor.

[slos]

Augustin and Wilson for Aminu and 2022 IND SRP seems interesting too.

Aminu has been bad and injured the last couple of seasons in Orlando, but he gets lately 20ish minutes and we can use him as a defensive specialist if he comes closer to his Portland self. We also get that SRP from the Nwora trade back, have 1.5 mil in savings to avoid the tax this season and get an extra open spot for the buyout market.

I think this makes sense for Orlando too. Augustin is 3 mil cheaper next season and can help them with Fultz/Anthony struggling with injuries. They can also have a good look this season at Wilson with Isaac also out.

[chonestown]

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[ShootingtheJ]

Augustin and Wilson for Aminu and 2022 IND SRP seems interesting too.

Aminu has been bad and injured the last couple of seasons in Orlando, but he gets lately 20ish minutes and we can use him as a defensive specialist if he comes closer to his Portland self. We also get that SRP from the Nwora trade back, have 1.5 mil in savings to avoid the tax this season and get an extra open spot for the buyout market.

I think this makes sense for Orlando too. Augustin is 3 mil cheaper next season and can help them with Fultz/Anthony struggling with injuries. They can also have a good look this season at Wilson with Isaac also out.

The deal is realistic, but now what do we do to address the guard rotation? I don't like DJA, but the Bucks have done surprisingly well when he's on the floor.

Make this a 3 team deal? Aminu to Detroit with 2- 2nds for Delon Wright?

[WRau1]

MIL out - DJW, Craig, 2nd pick x2
MIL in - Temple

CHI out - Temple
CHI in - DJW, 2nd rd pick x2

DEN out - TPE
DEN in - Craig