"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

threrf23 · Post #541 » by **threrf23** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:38 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
PJ Tucker is not making much more of a difference than Semi. How does that deal do more than shuffle the deck? That’s certainly not bringing another banner.

PJ Tucker could make quite a difference relative to Semi. Toughness & rebounding matter, and those are areas where Tucker clearly has an edge if he's not washed up yet.

But he's also a ~36 year old journeyman who is pissed b/c he thought he deserved an expensive extension from the Rockets, so I don't know if that's a good idea especially since it's not like he'll make us a contender right away.

zoyathedestroya · Post #542 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:38 pm

robdog_5 wrote:Carson and 2nd for Ellington

Daniel House into TPE 2nd (Kanter)

Larry Nance in from Cleveland
Thompson out to Knicks
Lottery protected 1st to Cavs
Kevin Knox and Grant Williams to Cavs

Cavs get 2 young players they can play and see if they have any value. A 1st round pick

Dumpster dive for 3rd center

Knicks have cap and only pick up 4.6 mil to add a center they need until Robinson gets back.

We get a legit 4 who can play some small ball 5 and defends really well.

New rotation
C Theis and Rob Williams
PF Nance and Tatum
SF Tatum and Brown and House
SG Brown and Ellington
PG Kemba and Smart and Pritchard

10 man rotation..can cut it to 8 or 9 come playoffs. Still have Langford and Neismith to keep or trade

I like this very much. I don't think Ellington gets off the bench because of lack of defense. Wish Brad would just play Nesmith more. And we all know Stevens will still play Teague so we better find a new home for him too.

CeltsfaninDC · Post #543 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:58 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Try to catch the other GMs in a coma.

Smart | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Vucevic
Pritchard | Mills | Nesmith | Grant | Rob

I like the additions and the subtractions, but that bench seems weak.

SMTBSI · Post #544 » by **SMTBSI** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:23 pm

threrf23 wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:
PJ Tucker is not making much more of a difference than Semi. How does that deal do more than shuffle the deck? That’s certainly not bringing another banner.

PJ Tucker could make quite a difference relative to Semi. Toughness & rebounding matter, and those are areas where Tucker clearly has an edge if he's not washed up yet.

But he's also a ~36 year old journeyman who is pissed b/c he thought he deserved an expensive extension from the Rockets, so I don't know if that's a good idea especially since it's not like he'll make us a contender right away.

Tucker is done done done. His rebounding rate is lower than Semi's this year.

STAT - Semi - Tucker
REB% - 8.6 - 8.2
USG - 11.8 - 7.7
TS% - .572 - .500
AST% - 5.5 - 6.2
TOV% - 7.9 - 19.0

He's scoring extremely inefficiently on non-existent usage. Basically a complete zero on offense. At least Semi scores right at our team's average TS%, on bail-out-option type usage. Tucker isn't even giving you that.

Neither guy gets assists, but Semi turns it over less.

Is Tucker "tougher" or giving you better defense? I guess maybe. I just don't want to give anything up for him. He's done.

Bar Fight · Post #545 » by **Bar Fight** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:32 pm

Looking at some of the trades proposed over the last few pages, it's apparent why none of us here will ever be NBA GMs.

Fencer reregistered · Post #546 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:44 pm

Bulls to start Satoransky and Young in lieu of young players

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261835/Billy-Donovan-To-Insert-Tomas-Satoransky-Thaddeus-Young-Into-Starting-Lineup

Celts17Pride · Post #547 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:54 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Bulls to start Satoransky and Young in lieu of young players

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261835/Billy-Donovan-To-Insert-Tomas-Satoransky-Thaddeus-Young-Into-Starting-Lineup

Try and convince me this has nothing to do with the trade deadline coming up in 11 days.

Showcasing?

Celts17Pride · Post #548 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:03 am

Went to the Knicks forum to check out what kind of trades their forum was looking at for this trade deadline. First two trades I saw was:

1. Frank Ntilikina to Charlotte for Terry Rozier
2. Nerlens Noel to Brooklyn for Joe Harris

I thought this forum had some bad trades. Wow!!

Fencer reregistered · Post #549 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:04 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Bulls to start Satoransky and Young in lieu of young players

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261835/Billy-Donovan-To-Insert-Tomas-Satoransky-Thaddeus-Young-Into-Starting-Lineup

Try and convince me this has nothing to do with the trade deadline coming up in 11 days.

Showcasing?

I was thinking more raising the price by supposedly demonstrating they're sincere about wanting to keep them.

Showcasing could be in the motive mix too, of course.

Fencer reregistered · Post #550 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:09 am

DeRozan has been much better than Kemba this season. Blip, or reality going forward?

I mention this because one could construct massive deals, e.g.:

Kemba out
DeRozan in via the TPE
LMA in because San Antonio wants to dump him
Patty Mills in because why not?
Thompson out to start balancing the salary numbers
Some end-of-benchers out to keep us under the luxury tax

playa-hater · Post #551 » by **playa-hater** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:10 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Bulls to start Satoransky and Young in lieu of young players

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261835/Billy-Donovan-To-Insert-Tomas-Satoransky-Thaddeus-Young-Into-Starting-Lineup

Can we trade "veteran" K Walker to them then??

zoyathedestroya · Post #552 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:51 am

I don't mind a Kemba salary dump honestly. As long as it doesn't cost us a 1st. A playoff team that has an expiring might take him on.

robdog_5 · Post #553 » by **robdog_5** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:17 am

Kemba is an anchor

Celts17Pride · Post #554 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:20 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:I don't mind a Kemba salary dump honestly. As long as it doesn't cost us a 1st. A playoff team that has an expiring might take him on.

Kemba makes about $37 million annually the next two years. It’s going to take the Celtics giving up at least one first round pick probably two first round picks to move him.

Curmudgeon · Post #555 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:25 am

The short-term solution is to bring Kemba off the bench, like Lou Williams.

Post #556 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:06 am

Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

MagicBagley18 · Post #557 » by **MagicBagley18** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:16 am

The Comedian wrote:Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Do u think he could fetch a 1st In this market ?

Post #558 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:18 am

The Comedian wrote:Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Im a fan of Theis, but ya the double big rotation needs to end and Williams should be the starting big. Which means Theis or TT would be on the outs.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #559 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:19 am

The Comedian wrote:Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Hopefully he's dealt for another big then. Williams doesn't exactly have a great track record staying healthy. He gets hurt TT is the only big on the roster.

Post #560 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:20 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Do u think he could fetch a 1st In this market ?

Probably not since he is an unrestricted FA this summer. He isnt an impactful enough player to fetch a 1st in return for a risk of a half season rental.