"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Feed Your Head]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

Yeah, but Shams>>>>>Jake Fischer.

[Ernest]

I can't wait for the board meltdown that will start shortly before the trade deadline is up and continue for a solid 48 hours. What's the over under on number of people calling for Danny to be fired? 15? 20? There is basically nothing he could do that would not send this place into a hissy fit.

[sully00]

Shams:

Aldridge: The Spurs are continuing to explore trades for Aldridge, sources said. Should Aldridge receive a buyout, Miami, Portland and Boston are expected to be leading suitors. Aldridge, a seven-time All-Star, is on an expiring $24 million contract.

Boston Celtics
Another player of interest for the Celtics: Hawks big man John Collins, sources said. Atlanta’s asking price has been steep for Collins, however: A high-level first-round draft pick and/or a talented young player.
As our Sam Amick reported last week, Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes appears to be a more logical and likely target for the Celtics.

I like this post because it agrees with me. I would also pay the price for Collins. We can't exactly meet that asking price but we can make our best offer which would be Nesmith and 2 firsts. Another potential scenario that may be convincing is to use the TPE on Gallinari and send Nesmith for Collins with a couple of 1sts. That would save ATL the 5 mil it cost to cut Gallinari and put them in a position to either clear around 20 mil in cap space or stay over the cap and use the TPE to replace Collins.

[Ernest]

this -- take..... still...… lives?

I don’t even understand what he’s trying to say frankly

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Well that logic is rock solid. Either Nesmith is soo good that playing him extended minutes would elicit so many trade calls it would destroy Dannys limited friends and family plan, or Brad is co-co for cocoa puffs.

[zoyathedestroya]

It's the season of the lie.

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For all we know, all Danny is doing right now is trying to trade Teague for Wanamaker.

[31to6]

I don’t even understand what he’s trying to say frankly

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Well that logic is rock solid. Either Nesmith is soo good that playing him extended minutes would elicit so many trade calls it would destroy Dannys limited friends and family plan, or Brad is co-co for cocoa puffs.

Remember: if another team asks for one of your players in a trade....


...an honorable GM complies. There is no other way.

[Celts17Pride]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

If Ainge's primary focus is on LMA then he should be fired.

[fallguy]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

If Ainge's primary focus is on LMA then he should be fired.

LMA is a non-thing. We already have too many bigs. And LMA would be FOURTH on our depth chart.

He's only of interest if we need depth after moving TT or Theis. And even then he won't want to come to a team that is (finally) going small.

Fear no LMA. He's not coming here.

[GoCeltics123]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

If Ainge's primary focus is on LMA then he should be fired.

Yeah it's such a bizarre quote, first off who is league personnel? Also like Comedian said, Shams is a lot more plugged in than this guy I think.

I hope it's not true, especially via trade since we'd have to give up TT to do the deal anyway and even with Thompson's average play, LMA isn't an upgrade over him.

[yeleven11]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

Yeah, but Shams>>>>>Jake Fischer.

Well it seems like we're only interested in Aldridge in a buyout. So trading for Barnes and then adding LMA through buyout might be Danny's plan especially because one of Theis/Thompson is probably getting moved in a Barnes trade anyways to stay under the tax.

Another theory is that the Celtics are using LMA's name to show Orlando that they're willing to go another direction in the center market if they're not willing to lower their price on Vucevic.

[Homerclease]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

[CeltsfaninDC]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

And you're gonna pay him the max deal he wants? Or are you giving ATL the deal they want (including high 1stR picks) and let him walk after 1/3rd of a season? Is he really the last piece that pushes this team over the top?

[GoCeltics123]

For all the ink and airtime that has been spent discussing how Barnes would fit so well in Boston, or how other contenders might bring the 28-year-old forward their way, those sorts of scenarios obviously can’t unfold unless Sacramento is willing to send him out. So now, courtesy of a source with knowledge of the Kings’ plan, I present the other side of the Barnes situation: As it turns out, the Kings’ level of motivation on this front isn’t nearly as high as many may have believed.

Let’s explain.

While this is most assuredly a “gap year,” as myself and Jason Jones wrote recently, the combination of Barnes’ play, his professionalism and his declining pay ($20.2 million next season; $18.3 million in 2022-23) is such that it will take a significant offer to pry him away. And the Kings’ ability to remain competitive, it seems, will be a factor in the decision.

Translation: A combination of late first-round draft picks and young players like the ones wearing green in Boston, it appears, likely wouldn’t be enough to get it done. The Kings are clearly still pondering the possibility of adding the kind of impact piece that they believe would put them in the playoff mix.

Does that mean Barnes won’t get moved? Never say never, but it seems the Kings are holding onto Barnes a little tighter than expected here.

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Kings are absolutely delusional

[Celts17Pride]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

You willing to pay Collins the max? That's what he is getting this off-season. Tons of money available this summer with very few targets. Another reason why I think Theis will be moved. Theis will be overpaid this summer. Good for him.

[Homerclease]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

And you're gonna pay him the max deal he wants? Or are you giving ATL the deal they want (including high 1stR picks) and let him walk after 1/3rd of a season? Is he really the last piece that pushes this team over the top?

Absolutely, pay him the max.

[Homerclease]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

You willing to pay Collins the max? That's what he is getting this off-season. Tons of money available this summer with very few targets. Another reason why I think Theis will be moved. Theis will be overpaid this summer. Good for him.

Yes. Easily

[CeltsfaninDC]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

You willing to pay Collins the max? That's what he is getting this off-season. Tons of money available this summer with very few targets. Another reason why I think Theis will be moved. Theis will be overpaid this summer. Good for him.

Yes. Easily

John Collins is your next MAX player and the one piece that brings a banner? Seriously?

[sully00]

So ideal scenario for me is we get Barnes using Thompson/2021 1st/non-Nesmith, non-Langford youngin. Then sign LMA as buyout big.

Could be wrong, but Brad basically admitted the big were trading is Theis based on PT and his post-game comments about going down to 2 bigs.

Theis is better than TT. But he’ll want more than we’ll offer next year due to the tax. And I still think Ainge made an under the table promise with TT.

He really isn't better than Thomas though they are just both good at different things and bad at different things. It is one of the reasons you don't have to move either one. But Thomas is the better rebounder and man to man defender and is a physical presence. That said he is limited offensively and not a shot blocker or as versatile a defender as Theis. Theis can hit the 3 and block shots and is a versatile defender but he is not consistent offensively and has been weak on the glass on both ends of the floor this year and can be overmatched physically.

In a world where R Williams and Smart are starting I would rather have Thompson coming off the bench. To be honest we can just keep both of them they are good players and barring an upgrade at the 3/4 we probably need them both. But it is strange because I read this forum and I just don't get the frustration with Thompson. To me he has been exactly as advertised and his mins are more consistent than Theis whose effectiveness seems to be dictated by the opponent. I like both players I just think that they are much more equal than this thread shows.

[zoyathedestroya]

Me to ALL the GMs leaking to the media in the next 10 days...

[CeltsfaninDC]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

And you're gonna pay him the max deal he wants? Or are you giving ATL the deal they want (including high 1stR picks) and let him walk after 1/3rd of a season? Is he really the last piece that pushes this team over the top?

Absolutely, pay him the max.

We will have to very much disagree on this one and I'm glad that the FO will agree with me on this. He's ok, but he's certainly not max-worthy nor is he the one piece we should be spending like that on.